Self evident truths, that are not self evident.

[John Prophet]

Well, at any rate, I think that we can all agree that an unlimited being would not have much use for just “one thing“ either way; by virtue of its own unlimitlessness ( OK ,that’s not a word ).

Though, I’m fairly certain that this isn’t even close to the conclusion that infinitethoughts meant for us to draw from his hypothetical scenario,lol.

[John Prophet]

Hmmm..I just realized that I was confusing “desire” with “want“ in that other post. But, if wanting is similar to desiring, than I suppose that the whole argument of an unlimited being wanting something is completely void. So, therefore you would have to impose some limitations on it; hypothetically. Yeah, I see your point, mark.

[Lychee]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Change your perspective. Look at this from the POV of an unlimited being......that can never die.



With a little help from your friends on the other side of eternity.

Perspectives can be incorrect. Show me evidence which can be proven.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

Though, I’m fairly certain that this isn’t even close to the conclusion that infinitethoughts meant for us to draw from his hypothetical scenario,lol.

Lol.....

You're right John.

Let's try again, with a couple of clues.

Picture a space where you have unlimited freedom.
What is the one thing you don't have and would desire?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Lychee

Perspectives can be incorrect. Show me evidence which can be proven.

Your thoughts influence............and if one has enough understanding......... manipulate reality.

[rini17]

interesting thread, i wish i could join it sooner.. but anyway for me the subjective/objective duality of universe is something like particle/wave duality. I can freely choose to see energy as particle or as a wave. The same way I can choose to perceive reality as objective or subjective.

If I choose to look inside myself and use my intuition or influence reality by LoA, then I accept universe as subjective - as part of my consciousness.

If I choose it to observe and make deductions from previous observations, then I accept it as objective - as something I can expect to behave independently of whatever I am thinking.

So, while everything is consciousness, of some parts of consciousness we are aware and of some parts we aren't - we can look to these as object. But the line between is very blurry.

[Mark Lapierre]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Picture a space where you have unlimited freedom.
What is the one thing you don't have and would desire?

Perhaps you should just tell us your answer because it's obviously different to mine.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

Perhaps you should just tell us your answer because it's obviously different to mine.

Ok.
If you're in a space where you have unlimited freedom, the one thing you would not have is limited "freedom".
The one thing you would not have is limits.

No matter what you would do, being in a space with unlimited freedom, there is no way you could experience what it feels like to have limits.

But, apparently.........we have found a way to get that experience.

Temporarily lose your memories.

......and that brings us to this place.
"Earth".
Circa "2007 AD".

Infinite beings "frolicking and playing", in their temporary amnesia's.

[Mark Lapierre]

But that doesn't say why an unlimited being would want limits. And why, if we are truly limitless beings who've just forgotten what being infinite is like, why would we be trying to attain that freedom again? It seems... pointless.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

It seems... pointless.

Doesn't to me.
Makes all the sense in the world.

[tomi]

Hello all. I'm pretty new to the site, and this is my first post. I hope you don't mind a rookie joining in to learn.

Infintethoughts, I find your theory very intriguing. My thoughts went to "limits" when I read your original question. I can grasp the idea of wishing to experience limits when one has the ability to experience no limits infinitely. So, assuming we purposefully, temporarily "lost" our memory, thereby placing limits and entertainment into our experiences, my next thoughts lead to: "Does nothing really matter then, what we do in our "temporary" lives/experiences?" For example, if one chose to act in ways harmful to others, would it not matter in the grand scheme of things since we would eventually go back to our "infinite selves?" And are we all a part of each other as our infinite selves?

I realize each person has their own perceptions/beliefs. I am curious to learn more about yours, possibly expanding my own.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by tomi

Hello all. I'm pretty new to the site, and this is my first post. I hope you don't mind a rookie joining in to learn.

Infintethoughts, I find your theory very intriguing. My thoughts went to "limits" when I read your original question. I can grasp the idea of wishing to experience limits when one has the ability to experience no limits infinitely. So, assuming we purposefully, temporarily "lost" our memory, thereby placing limits and entertainment into our experiences, my next thoughts lead to: "Does nothing really matter then, what we do in our "temporary" lives/experiences?" For example, if one chose to act in ways harmful to others, would it not matter in the grand scheme of things since we would eventually go back to our "infinite selves?" And are we all a part of each other as our infinite selves?

I realize each person has their own perceptions/beliefs. I am curious to learn more about yours, possibly expanding my own.

Hi tomi.
The culprit is the word illusions. "This reality is illusion", people say. I see it differently. This moment is very real, but the illusion comes in being taught wrongly where the next moment comes from, and the next moment after that.....

Speaking about real;

Neo: I thought it wasn't real
Morpheus: Your mind makes it real
Neo: If you're killed in the matrix, you die here?
Morpheus: The body cannot live without the mind

On to the grand scheme of things. Yeah you can hurt people, and they don't 'die', cause this is a game, but ultimately would one want to?

[Mark Lapierre]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

On to the grand scheme of things. Yeah you can hurt people, and they don't 'die', cause this is a game, but ultimately would one want to?

Right. Regardless of one's beliefs of the nature of the universe, there are still consequences for all of one's actions. Even if anything we do is acceptable on a universal scale, on a more immediate, human scale we still have to be aware of the benefits and dangers of our actions.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Hi tomi.
The culprit is the word illusions. "This reality is illusion", people say. I see it differently. This moment is very real, but the illusion comes in being taught wrongly where the next moment comes from, and the next moment after that.....

Speaking about real;

Neo: I thought it wasn't real
Morpheus: Your mind makes it real
Neo: If you're killed in the matrix, you die here?
Morpheus: The body cannot live without the mind

On to the grand scheme of things. Yeah you can hurt people, and they don't 'die', cause this is a game, but ultimately would one want to?

I use the word illusion, but it doesn't imply what I mean. Reality is not an illusion per say, it's a creation. Also I would substitute the word 'mind' in the Matrix quote to consciousness or awareness.