Love the Bombs (Blog)

[Savage]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Steve Pavlina's blog:

Love the Bombs

[Dimitri]

Wow. That really opened my eyes. I now understand what you meant when you tweeted: "Wealth cannot exist without poverty, and vice versa. Do you appreciate both sides as equally valuable to your growth?" Yes, now I do!

Love the shorter posting frequency too. It feels like you're forging a stronger connection between yourself and the reader when you remind us not to settle for less / open our eyes to new truths every day.

[Lynn 007]

To appreciate something is to recognize the value of its presence relative to its absence

Thanks for the reminder.

I have always been appreciative and grateful I have never experienced challenges people in other countries face (famine, civil wars, diseases) or challenges of my own ancestors (Irish potato famine). All of my basic living needs are met.

It is up to ME to make use of this opportunity and good fortune and not throw it away. Being born in North America, Europe, Australia, Asia, etc we have all been given a gift so many others will never experience.

[Alexandra L]

I followed Daniel Koontz's link to this post and I am very glad I did. I really appreciate Steve's thinking and his courage to write his truth. I had honestly never considered embracing the negative. This makes sense to me now. Thanks.

[James81]

Bahahahaha....I didn't read this yet, but your sudden increase in blog posts makes me wonder if your choosing not to post on forums is starting to get to you a bit. That's always been my experience...when I get away from forums, my writing spills over into other projects (such as blogs or novels or something).

[beautyscientist]

Blimey. I think Steve's mischievous inner imp has got hold of his keyboard.

I feel compassion for other people's suffering, but as there is just the one of me and millions of people who are suffering there isn't a huge amount I can do about it. To treat it as some kind of learning or growth opportunity seems at the very least in questionable taste.

But it is hardly a cause for despair or self flagellation either.

For a start, things are getting better not worse. There are fewer people starving than there used to be. Armed conflict is decreasing. Newer weapons aren't necessarily worse than older ones. In fact personally a dagger frightens me more than a Stealth bomber.

As to disease, we have managed to eliminate several diseases already. When I was born small pox was still killing millions. Not one case has been reported since the seventies.

Things might not be perfect but humans are problem solvers and the problems are steadily being solved. I enjoyed the post as an original and thought provoking bit of writing, but I don't think I want to love bombs.

[roxyruby]

I think it's a limiting belief that we'd be bored if things were perfect.

Because if things were perfect, we couldn't be bored or depressed. Because boredom or depression doesn't match with perfection.

We would simply be happier and more relaxed and have stuff to do like social and relationship stuff, learning, hobbies, playing, exploring, activities, discovering etc.

We can have excitement and adventure in healthful, safe ways.

Animals like snails. They don't have any wars going on in their world. So how do they feel? What do they do? They are content and happy and live in a content and happy way. (Well I don't know for sure, but if you can imagine it, it can be)

Is there a thing that peace is not "cool" or "not masculine" or "not exciting" ?? If so, these thoughts & beliefs are possibly limiting goodness for all. All those things can be had in peaceful ways.

If people really do crave a war, with abundance we can have big role playing events LOL. Or invent alternate reality experience technology.

I think maybe the people who are most motivated to help particular issues are the people who have personally experienced it or something similar to it. People who haven't experienced what they went through are lacking in tones of knowledge of that problem that people that experienced naturally have. Maybe such as the knowledge of how bad it is (memory of particular feelings and emotions and low points) and the natural knowledge of what these peoples needs are (from thinking about what would help/would have helped themself).

hugs

[Mariana Trench]

Interesting post. Steve, I'm sure you'll get people thinking with this one! You haven't posted something this controversial in awhile...I was beginning to wonder. And I am wondering what's up with your super posting spree recently. A few thoughts:

The dichotomy of "perfection vs. earthly strife" is flawed, flawed, flawed. Starting with the concept of perfection. Such a thing by definition must be both ultimate and subjective, and is therefor impossible. What I mean by that is--perfection implies not just good, but the best, the best there could ever be. But good implies that it is good to someone--if there is an ultimate, universal good from a consciousness that is not impotent then it must be what is here and now. If it's about what is good to humans or any individual human then it's not ultimate, is it?

I reject the idea there's a ceiling of experience. That sometime, it'll get so good we'll have reached our destination. Why have we secularized heaven? Is it so deeply ingrained in our cultural psyche?

There will always be more to do, learn, experience, and create. I happen to think in empowering people we will not have lost the life lessons we undoubtedly learn through hardship. Economic hardship, for example, is limiting. Will you learn something from it? Hell yeah, you'll learn how to live in economic hardship. You may also learn the value of thing not money but you don't need to live in a ditch to learn that.

Heartbreak on the other hand, is something we learn by virtue of being human. If we don't have circumstances that would break the heart's of most we tend to create them if it's what we desire at some level.

[munish]

Poverty and Suffering is good . If there was no poverty, people would not appreciate wealth. This Contrast is going to widen even further in the future.

I like this article.

[Donatas Kaulinis]

Holy ****

I mean, wow

Ok, so you wouldn't appreceate wealth if you didn't have poverty in the world...
Well, I don't have really good arguments about that, but doesn't it feel wrong for you? Someone has to suffer if you want to appreceate what you have...? Didn't we have enough suffering in history, it's possible to read up on that. How about if we had a device in the future that would let you experience what others experienced in a photorealistic reality with all the pain, emotions etc.?


All this attitude reminds me of George Carlin I gave up on my species a little but this is just over the top.

Once again, I don't have good arguments at the moment but it just seems really wrong. I'm really intrested in what would Erin write about this article

[Annie Zero]

Steve's being a typical dude. Life isn't worth living if there isn't some constant ACTION going on.

The Heaven on Earth utopia as commonly depicted by New Agers is (should be) an average man's nightmare. (Mine too.)

(I'm not saying that every normal man should want more war and destruction, but in that peaceful utopia they'd be bored to tears. I'm sure there's a middle ground somewhere. We can expand our array of good-bad experiences without more of the same (the same wars, the same people living in extreme poverty, the same ashholes running your governments).)

[beautyscientist]

If you knew what Steve was going to write, half the fun of reading him would be gone. I wonder if this is a one off or if it marks a really radical departure from what he has been doing?

[Harmonium]

So what does this say about the distinction between lightworker/darkworker?

So if I get this right, Steve can't enjoy his abundance the same way unless there is a pyramid where he gets to sit on top of others?

I've never resonated with the lightworker/darkworker thing, but I wonder if he still makes a distinction.

It would be nice for this blog post to be expanded, not sure I understand where Steve is actually coming from. I could relate to not wanting the challenge of life to go away, perhaps.

[WarrenG]

This is exactly why I eat beef. It's a tremendous growth experience for the cow.

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by WarrenG

This is exactly why I eat beef. It's a tremendous growth experience for the cow.

how kind of you to help the souls of the bovine. You must be a Cow worker.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Harmonium

So what does this say about the distinction between lightworker/darkworker?

So if I get this right, Steve can't enjoy his abundance the same way unless there is a pyramid where he gets to sit on top of others?

I've never resonated with the lightworker/darkworker thing, but I wonder if he still makes a distinction.

It would be nice for this blog post to be expanded, not sure I understand where Steve is actually coming from. I could relate to not wanting the challenge of life to go away, perhaps.

I'd say he's pulling the same trick he has many times before-adopting a particular lens to push buttons and shock people into awareness.

He is making a good point even if the article itself isn't worth taking seriously (though the fact that many will is part of its purpose)-no matter what's going on in the world around us, we have to accept it, even love it, before we can master it.

And I think people are focusing the minutiae so much they're missing something he spelled out in the last paragraph: complaining about what's happening in the world accomplishes jack ****. If it bothers you so much, go play hero. If you're not gonna act it's obviously not sticking in your craw like you say it is, or least it may as well not be as the result is the same. You're an active agent in this world so it's up to you to do something if you're moved by whatever is happening around you.

[puguglypress]

Well hopefully you get to experience the wondrous growth opportunities that come with widespread disease and a lack of clean drinking water.

Come on, seriously?

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by Cado

complaining about what's happening in the world accomplishes jack ****.

Yes, but some people think that complaining about poor conditions in the world or feeling appropriately badly about it all somehow means something. It's like how my mother used to tell me I should eat whatever horrid thing she'd put on my plate because there were starving children in some third-world country. My answer to her was that she should send the stuff to them, and then they wouldn't be starving, and I wouldn't have to eat it, problem solved. She never did get it.

[munish]

Originally Posted by Cado

If it bothers you so much, go play hero. .

Go play games .

Or you could ponder the possibility that maybe the world is perfect the way it is, and your relationship to it is what really needs rescuing.

[Donatas Kaulinis]

Originally Posted by munish

Go play games .

Or you could ponder the possibility that maybe the world is perfect the way it is, and your relationship to it is what really needs rescuing.

There being little girls who can't stop peeing because they've been raped too many times by soldiers is perfect how?

How did you come to the conclusion that "and your relationship to it is what really needs rescuing" ? What thoughts or experiences lead to it?

[Christina1965]

I guess Steve's taking this to the extreme just to make us think. I agree with the thought that just feeling sorry for people doesn't make any difference. (and yes, before you ask, I am trying to do something)

Though, in a world where there is limitless possibilities, if we agree that we don't want some possibilities (disease, war) then there should be limitless possibilities left that we could experience. I haven't studied math so much, but aren't there something similar there?
Maybe if we could go beyond earthly sufferings, there are new areas of experiences that we can't imagine right now?
There will never be good in bad things. The good comes from within people, that they make something good FROM the bad, e.g. grow consiously.

In my subjective reality the bad things that people do to each other are continually decreasing with time.

/English is not my language, so please read my mind/

[Cado]

Originally Posted by munish

Go play games .

Or you could ponder the possibility that maybe the world is perfect the way it is, and your relationship to it is what really needs rescuing.

That line of reasoning is twisted to justify too much inactivity.

Accepting things as they are for what they are is not the same as resigning yourself to doing nothing to alter it. A desire to change the world is not the same as saying there is something fundamentally wrong with it, it is the stirring of a core urge to imprint one's will upon creation-something which all of us are inspired to do to some degree as divine beings.

[cacheborn]

I wonder how love the bombs translates in terms of LOA.

[Sweet Surrender]

What would happen to world peace, prosperity and abundance if we all accepted darkness? Personally, I can see that all the pain in my life has come from pushing against the pain, miracles happen when we surrendar our resistance. There is great value in loving the bombs...loved the article, thanks for dropping such a thought provoking bomb...

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

I wonder how love the bombs translates in terms of LOA.

Something like, "Accept that you're creating your own reality, good, bad, and indifferent." Or something like that, maybe.

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by CaterpillarWoman

Something like, "Accept that you're creating your own reality, good, bad, and indifferent." Or something like that, maybe.

To me, love the bombs means you are giving attention to bombs. So you will see more of them.

[supertom]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

To me, love the bombs means you are giving attention to bombs. So you will see more of them.

Hes speaking about the contrast of the bombs to what you really want, peace, its really the contrast of war that gives peace its zoom zoom Its like if your favorite colour is green and you whole reality becomes green, green actually loses its meanings it becomes nothing you won't be able to enjoy green. When you desire green the universe also brings its contrast the other colours that give green it's shape and meaning.

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by supertom

Hes speaking about the contrast of the bombs to what you really want, peace, its really the contrast of war that gives peace its zoom zoom Its like if your favorite colour is green and you whole reality becomes green, green actually loses its meanings it becomes nothing you won't be able to enjoy green. When you desire green the universe also brings its contrast the other colours that give green it's shape and meaning.

True, but if you intend that the contrast should continue, then that means you are intending for war to continue. There are more statements that have similar intention.

I expect to see lots of new weapons invented and used as well, and I welcome their arrival. I expect to see new diseases. We have a whole host of new problems ahead.

I would rather say, I intend for peace. I would not worry about the situation when there is no contrast, everything is peaceful and I have nothing to be grateful about. If it happens, then I will think about it.

[supertom]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

True, but if you intend that the contrast should continue, then that means you are intending for war to continue. There are more statements that have similar intention.

I would rather say, I intend for peace. I would not worry about the situation when there is no contrast, everything is peaceful and I have nothing to be grateful about. If it happens, then I will think about it.

I can say this has already manifested for me, never experience war in my life. Only time it has existed was on a tv screen, I change the world or I can switch the little box off focus on my life experience and give them freedom to create what they want.

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

To me, love the bombs means you are giving attention to bombs. So you will see more of them.

*nod* But resisting them (and complaining about them, pointing them out to others, protesting them, etc. etc.) just puts a different kind of attention on them. Resistance is pretty powerful as far as energy goes.

Maybe it should be thought of more as "accept the bombs".