Good and Evil vs. Good and bad vs. Light and dark.

[Theo77]

I think the model of lightworking and darkworking is backwards in many ways.

I have been reading a lot of Nietzche of late, and the difference between good and bad and the difference between good and evil is one of his main themes.

Early civilizations started out with a concept of Good and bad, that was based on an aristocratic view of the world. Good was what was strong and beautiful, advantagous. Bad was what was weak and sickly, unlucky, things that lead to misfortune.

An example of this form of morality would be that of the ancient Greeks and the Bramin of India, which was the priestly caste. The brahmnins created the religion of Hinduism.

The concept of Good and Evil is a Judeo Christian concept not an Hindu/Buddhist concept. Its a form of morality created by the lower castes of society. The oppressed people of the Roman empire, which were the first Christians.

Good, in the servant morality, are the qualities associated with being a servant, being a member of this vast mediocre herd that huddles together for survival against the strong, powerful and beautiful.

Good are the qualities of a lamb.

Evil are the qualities associated with the ruling class. Being strong, imperious, bold, audacious, proud, aggressive.

So its backwards to the original concept of good and bad associated with the aristocracies.

As far as breathing in as being associated with darkness and breathing out associated with light.

I think that is backwards too. Its backwards if you associate darkness with being powerful anyway. Breathing out is aggressive active, masculine, assertive. Breathing in is passive, yeilding.

Breathing out is Yang, breathing in is Yin. Yin and Yang is not analgous to either concepts of Good and evil or good and bad.

But just think about this. Breathing out is accomplished by the diaphram, associated with the power chakra and personal power. The power chakra sets you apart from others.

So if you, like me, associated, independance and assertivness, aggression and achieving personal power with the darkside, you had it backwards. At least by Steve's model because all these things are associated with exhaling.

[yossarian]

Being strong, imperious, bold, audacious, proud, aggressive.

Take any typical example of a "good" person - say Gandhi.

There is hardly another man in history who was stronger, more bold, more audacious, more aggressive. Physical nonviolence while breaking laws, to the point where you're thrown in prison, is hardly cowardice. That takes far more strength than running and hiding in a nuclear fallout shelter with an AK-47 when challenged.

You're equating "people who fear" with the powerful, but the truly powerful don't fear others because they don't need to fear others - they are powerful.

You can be a ruler and still be totally shackled in a prison of ego and pride. That isn't freedom nor is it power.

Pride is just the inverse of shame. Neither give you power, neither represent freedom. The powerful entity, whether good or evil, will have conquered pride and shame.

I think what it comes down to with you is you are latently suffering from bad the aspects of popular Christianity. You've probably had a lot of shame in your past, induced by being raised in that atmosphere, and so now are trying to learn how to get beyond the shame and guilt that unevolved Christian communities use to manipulate their children.

Getting beyond that doesn't mean throwing out the basic principles of humility and compassion, it just means learning to master them in a useful way that actually gets results. Humility doesn't mean self-debasement and compassion doesn't mean slavery.

[Kingston]

Interesting how you mix Nietzsche with Eastern philosophy. Tell me, what is -your- exact definition of an overman/superman?

[Theo77]

I don't have an exact definition, but imo, it has to do with being free of conditioning, then being truly creative.