Steve Is Wrong, and Endangering His Readers

[brooksr]

I also enjoy Steve's PD writings but agree with Seth.

Steve, you are detached from this event because of the distance and lack of involvement. And to some degree, I believe, due to a certain lack of maturity related, perhaps, to your age.

You need to put yourself into the shoes of the people more directly affected such as the family members and friends of the people who died.

I imagine if Erin, or your child, experienced a horrible, violent death there in Las Vegas your feelings would change. You would probably experience a "revelation" and change your thinking.

You have not done so with VT because you are detached and have no personal stake in it.

There is a difference between a certain belief in "creating your own reality" and having an aloof and unsympathetic attitude towards great suffering in the real world.

If the family and friends of the people killed at VT were to read your writings, they would probably experience a lot of anger and I would not blame them.

I admire much of your thinking, but not this time.

Brooks

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by brooksr

If the family and friends of the people killed at VT were to read your writings, they would probably experience a lot of anger and I would not blame them.

From a human being POV it's tragic, sad and seemingly pointless, from a conscisousness POV is about resolving something contained with consciousness that is ultiamtely about trying to improve the overall state of consciousness.

It's easy to play the blame game and point fingers at people who 'just don't get it' maybe that 'get it' all too well

Max Power
"Don't think you can, know you can"

[absvan]

Originally Posted by brooksr

You have not done so with VT because you are detached and have no personal stake in it.

There is a difference between a certain belief in "creating your own reality" and having an aloof and unsympathetic attitude towards great suffering in the real world.

If the family and friends of the people killed at VT were to read your writings, they would probably experience a lot of anger and I would not blame them.

Brooks

Brooks,

Each person has the right to his/her view. The problem is that you dont understand SR or you dont want to accept SR. I would suggest you looking at this incident from SR lens....... I dont mean to say to accept SR as your belief system...but just to understand where Steve is coming from.

[brooksr]

Seth said it well: "I believe Steve’s views on subjective reality are promoting ignorance to the objective aspects of reality."

You have a choice of how you view events and what you do or don't do in response, but making callous remarks about real world tragedies is totally inappropriate.

Again, I think he would have totally different feelings and thoughts if it happened to people he cares about you. He wouldn't be talking or thinking about SR.

Perhaps you don't understand or want to accept reality.

Brooks

Originally Posted by absvan

Brooks,

Each person has the right to his/her view. The problem is that you dont understand SR or you dont want to accept SR. I would suggest you looking at this incident from SR lens....... I dont mean to say to accept SR as your belief system...but just to understand where Steve is coming from.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by brooksr

Seth said it well: "I believe Steve’s views on subjective reality are promoting ignorance to the objective aspects of reality."

It works both ways and from my POV it's the opposite. The objective aspects of reality promote ignorance towards SR. The state of consciousness is more important than people's lives including my own. It doesn't actually have anything to do with people's lives, it's more a self centered view of the world, self being focused on individual physical being.

If we were so focused on the importance of human beings then we couldn't function because of the heart break of the 150,000 deaths everyday, the truth is, it's not the deaths, it's the perceived effect on the physical being on the physical self. How can anyone care about 1 loss of life and not the others?? It makes no sense.

Max

[absvan]

Originally Posted by brooksr

Seth said it well: "I believe Steve’s views on subjective reality are promoting ignorance to the objective aspects of reality."

You have a choice of how you view events and what you do or don't do in response, but making callous remarks about real world tragedies is totally inappropriate.

Again, I think he would have totally different feelings and thoughts if it happened to people he cares about you. He wouldn't be talking or thinking about SR.

Perhaps you don't understand or want to accept reality.

Brooks

So according to you............If a Christian calls me a sinner and that I will go to hell if I dont accept Christ as my savior, then I should be upset with him/her...........

In reality, I should understand that its just a belief system and not get emotional about it. Whether I am sinner or if I should believe in hell or heaven is up to me to decide....but I should remember that if I do believe in hell/heaven, then Christians are right....or in other words learn to respect their belief system.

P.S. This is just an example/analogy and no offense meant to anyone or any religions.

[Natsu]

Originally Posted by Seth

The problem is that smart people start reading your articles, are attracted by the truths, and then easily accept the lies.

Stop insulting the rest of us. Smart people can think for themselves, thank you

As for me, there were things I didn't need from Steve, I had my ethics quite ready before getting in. I totally reject polarity. Some others reject psychic development. I do not believe in subjective reality, either (tough applying it to your everyday life and thinking is extremely empowering, and I try to do it as much as I can, since I see it produces great results). Each of us takes from Steve what's better to each own's personal development, since in the end, it's a path we all must tread alone.

However, you go too far in thinking we are a bunch of brainless idiots who believe everything Steve says. You should rephrase your sentence like this:

The problem is that stupid people are attracted by the truths, and then easily accept the lies.

Man, the nerve some people have... And, about Christianity... You don't need to insult Christians as if they were idiotic and you had the absolute truth. Though an agnostic myself, I've met incredible intelligent and reasonable Christians, and stupid fanatic atheists (and vice versa). Don't be so proud as to think that your beliefs make you more intelligent, and other people's beliefs make them stupid. That's pretty fanatic.

[absvan]

Originally Posted by Natsu

Don't be so proud as to think that your beliefs make you more intelligent, and other people's beliefs make them stupid. That's pretty fanatic.

May be you should calm down and re-read my post.

[Natsu]

Originally Posted by absvan

May be you should calm down and re-read my post.

You wrote:

As explained in this article, Transcending the Control System: Triad of Progress , you were raised in the ridiculously ignorant Catholic church. Ignorance is defined as staunch unwillingness to seek greater understanding. Christianity is possibly the epitome of ignorance,

Ahem. There are other ways of saying what you wanted to say, don't you think?

[absvan]

Originally Posted by Natsu

You wrote:


Ahem. There are other ways of saying what you wanted to say, don't you think?

Natsu,

I am not sure what you are talking about...I did not write that...This is what I wrote

So according to you............If a Christian calls me a sinner and that I will go to hell if I dont accept Christ as my savior, then I should be upset with him/her...........

In reality, I should understand that its just a belief system and not get emotional about it. Whether I am sinner or if I should believe in hell or heaven is up to me to decide....but I should remember that if I do believe in hell/heaven, then Christians are right....or in other words learn to respect their belief system.

P.S. This is just an example/analogy and no offense meant to anyone or any religions.

Since you posted right after my post, I thought you were talking about me.

Oh well........I dont want to lead this to another argument. So PEACE AND LOVE

[ellie]

Originally Posted by brooksr

I also enjoy Steve's PD writings but agree with Seth.

Steve, you are detached from this event because of the distance and lack of involvement. And to some degree, I believe, due to a certain lack of maturity related, perhaps, to your age.

You need to put yourself into the shoes of the people more directly affected such as the family members and friends of the people who died.

I imagine if Erin, or your child, experienced a horrible, violent death there in Las Vegas your feelings would change. You would probably experience a "revelation" and change your thinking.

You have not done so with VT because you are detached and have no personal stake in it.

There is a difference between a certain belief in "creating your own reality" and having an aloof and unsympathetic attitude towards great suffering in the real world.

If the family and friends of the people killed at VT were to read your writings, they would probably experience a lot of anger and I would not blame them.

I admire much of your thinking, but not this time.

Brooks

I agree with you, I wonder how much pain and suffering steve has really gone through? It would seem that life is almost perfect for Steve and his family and feel as though Steve is almost blocking pain out of his life - but personally I don't think that's always a good thing because...well...it makes you become more inhuman.

I remember reading briefly over Steve's SR thread to do with the mascre and to be honest it seems a bit cookey. I find a lot of Steve's post really helpful and I take what I need and ignore what I don't need. As long as he doesn't try to force his beliefs onto me (like religion), then I'm fine.

I think there's a lot of smart people on this thread and they wont do anything that they don't want to do.

[Natsu]

Originally Posted by absvan

Oh well........I dont want to lead this to another argument. So PEACE AND LOVE

OK I thought you were the starter of the thread... I wasnt' answering to you, but when you answered me, I took for granted that you were the person I quoted. We both should have checked our posts properly XD. Let's both of us do a proposal of development and let's read with more attention from now on, OK? Seems we both made the same mistake.

Yes, peace and love. There's much need of those