Getting out of subjective reality

[DaveTyler]

I advice everyone to stay away from subjective reality, it'll blow your mind, worse than a gun can... just stay away from that ************.

[escapee]

Huuuuu, Deep breath, its just a theory based on utra wild imagination spurred by excessive creative (or delusional ) mind. Nobody is perfect in this world. Even Einstein made mistakes sometimes. While the SR article made me puking a bunch of undigested food, i will continue to enjoy his other articles .

Keep up the good Steve , you cant make everybody happy.. (not even LOA could help u do that)

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

I advice everyone to stay away from subjective reality, it'll blow your mind, worse than a gun can... just stay away from that ************.

Why aren't you warning people about religion? How much pain and suffering has been forced upon people in the name of God? I haven't heard of any news stories where people are getting hurt through SR. Just because you don't understand something it hardly makes it a threat.

Power to the Max

[DaveTyler]

Sure I'm against religions too, but people like Hitler lived in SReality, believing he was god alone

[absvan]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Sure I'm against religions too, but people like Hitler lived in SReality, believing he was god alone

In SR, you will treat everyone else the way you expect them to treat you because they are your reflection. So I think you have a wrong impression of SR.

[Akashic_Librarian]

DaveTyler why do you think SR is bad?

[Simmiah]

Heh. I'll be more forthcoming with my opinion than usual

I can see where you're coming from Dave. I also see that some people's intentions regarding SR is to crown themselves God of their universe in a megalomaniac kinda way. Heh.

It seems to me that the intention by which a person approaches SR creates the way it manifests. The way I see Steve practicing it is interestingly enough very similar to my inner focus being more important than my outer focus. I've become inner focused & am starting to see how my beliefs/everything really create my inner perception of the world. Changing that..voila.. I suspect things will be looking & feeling very differently (they already have in some ways too.. there are others on this forum I also see the same things happening to them).

However I also see the other way. Crowning their ego God.. & then thinking they're entitled & stuff. Eek. But good thing Steve isn't doing it.

Either way, I don't think SR is bad objectively but rather.. it can be misinterpreted & mis-used if a person has intentions that are a little more self-serving. It's kinda like religion. Some people turn it into the ridiculousness it can exhibit itself as... whereas others become saints & beloved by all for their tremendous amount of work on behalf of mankind. (think Gandhi...Mother Teresa...)

[Freelancer]

When I started reading and studying the law of attraction/subjective reality my mind got blown away by the possibility's and plain old scaryness. A few days ago I decided to adopt a different belief;

I belief that subjective reality IS possible but it doesn't give me my desired results so I am going back to objective reality while keeping a open mind. From now on I will be a positive action minded individual and getting the benefits of the law of attraction from a objective viewpoint (RAS/human emotions/human interactions/etc.). I am a student of succes and myself.

Lets just say that if I adopt subjective reality at this point in my life I either go crazy and never get it or become a spiritual person without archieving anything significant in my life. Note that I don't have anything against spiritual persons, its just not the right path for me right now.


To each his own, but I'm not going to warn anybody to stay away from subjective reality. Just be carefull not to lose yourself in the process, there are plenty of loopholes and traps along the way.

[Sam988]

SR is one of the best RELIGIONS i've heard of. But its nothing more than one more religion.

[Akashic_Librarian]

How is SR A religion? It has no God head, no rules, no text.

[Dive Bomb]

All you need to do to get out of subjective reality is believe you're in an objective reality and presto, you're back. If you really want out, you'll be out.

[Akashic_Librarian]

But thats a delusion. Willfully turning aside from the the truth is treason to oneself.

[SecretSeven]

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Subjective reality is a belief system, which is unorthodox but not anymore "out there" then all the other religions.

[Sam988]

SecretSeven said it all.

[escapee]

Yeah it's just a belief system or a self empowering tool, If you can somehow use it to bring world peace, feed the children of the poor or even overcoming the fear in public speaking. More power to you.

But i'm not going to buy into the idea that i'm just some kind simulation of your SR world . No no no way. Dont even think of replying to my post if you have fully adopted SR .

[Akashic_Librarian]

Well for me its NOT a belief system. because I personally have experienced it. I KNOW It. Its a KNOW system, because I know it is real. I don't put faith in some obscure deity or thousand(s) year old text book!

Sorry. But no. Its not JUST a belief system.

[escapee]

Yeah yeah !.. more power to you Akashic_Librarian

Congratulation ! you have achieved the ultimate enlightenment that is elusive to the majority of mankind.

[valis]

subjective reality is just that; what we make of it (no pun intended). I've had too many coincidences to simply toss it aside, and at the same time, my mind is wired for logic, not for 'wishes to become reality'. My motto is more the harder I work, the luckier I get, not the more I wish, the luckier I get.

Having said that, I do believe that we can, at a very small level, influence our immediate environment by thought alone. And I'm talking at a very small level. You look at the golfers or F1 drivers or downhill skiers; before every shot/race/run you will see them going through it in their mind, projecting how it should turn out. This is especially true in golf, although it was most evident with the late Ayrton Senna, which is a tale unto itself. In golf, you'll see the pros step behind the ball and 'visualize' the flight of the ball, where it goes, it's trajectory, and where it will land. A lot of that is athletic endeavour; a lot of that is letting the mind run the body; but I also think that some of it is creating your reality.

Again, IMO.

[SecretSeven]

What I don't like about Steve's potrayal of Subjective Reality is that he makes it sound like other people don't have thoughts. Infact, he even says: other people don't have thoughts, only you have thoughts. And in one of his podcasts he says something on the lines of: Only one consciousness exists........you know which one's conscious here....

[Akashic_Librarian]

Other people have thoughts. Just not conciousness.



*Bows Bows, blows kisses and raises hands* Thank you Escapee...

[ethereal]

You find what you look for, be it subjective reality or objective reality or whatever it is.

SR is useful as a tool for searching within, because the ego projections in society can often be traced back to unconscious problems inherent in everybody's ego. They come with the hardware, you can say. Taking responsibility for everything out there empowers you to find and fix your own ego defects.

It's usefulness pretty much stops there though, IMO. I think one of the main problems of SR, besides being easily misinterpreted as Simmiah explained, is the lack of understanding of karma.

Like the physical laws of gravity, the law of karma is absolute and its complexity is beyond imagination. In SR, Steve claims that whatever you believe will manifest. To a certain extent, yes -- but only if it is karmically permitted. You can't believe or manifest yourself into a giraffe and turn into one, no matter how you try. It's just not karmically permitted. Likewise, even if you become enlightened and be an avatar like Jesus, you can't heal the whole world just because you're healed -- the collective karma of humankind doens't allow it. To ease this karmic burden, he sacrificed himself and promised mankind the hope for salvation.

Life and Reality is so much more complex than "what you believe manifests" and the Law of Attraction. I think SR (as forum members and blog readers understand it) suffers from the same problem as that of The Secret.

Just because you can only sense your own consciousness doesn't mean that your consciousness is all that is. There's a subtle logical fallacy in there -- "it's the only possible option I can sense, so it must be the only option". Consciousness is not the ultimate reality, Awareness and the sense of "I" is -- we all have individual consciousness, but the same "I". And the Unmanifest Godhead is even beyond that.

Ahh, I feel so much better now vented all my gripes and annoyances at SR

Btw Escapee, your posts crack me up I wish I could be as lighthearted as you

[Toine]

In my subjective reality all of you are wrong!

[Akashic_Librarian]

Toine, what are you talking about?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

What I don't like about Steve's potrayal of Subjective Reality is that he makes it sound like other people don't have thoughts. Infact, he even says: other people don't have thoughts, only you have thoughts. And in one of his podcasts he says something on the lines of: Only one consciousness exists........you know which one's conscious here....

People have thoughts, bodies, minds, fellings, hatred, love and everything else, but the focus in SR is not other people. The focus is one consciousness and there can be only one and it can only be focused on you.

Only one consciousness exists........you know which one's conscious here.

That is a very important sentance and the biggest clue to understanding SR

Power to the Max

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Toine

In my subjective reality all of you are wrong!

No, in SR we are all you and saying we are wrong is actually you fighting furiously with yourself. Remember that I am the Max Power version of you.

We can fight, we can laugh, we can dance, but it's all you Baby!

Power to the Max

[ethereal]

Originally Posted by Max Power

People have thoughts, bodies, minds, fellings, hatred, love and everything else, but the focus in SR is not other people. The focus is one consciousness and there can be only one and it can only be focused on you.

Only one consciousness exists........you know which one's conscious here.

That is a very important sentance and the biggest clue to understanding SR

Power to the Max

Is this really how SR works? Cause now it seems like it's just a more sophisticated version of solipsism...

The more I understand SR, the more I disagree with it, lol!!

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by ethereal

Is this really how SR works? Cause now it seems like it's just a more sophisticated version of solipsism...

The more I understand SR, the more I disagree with it, lol!!

SR is about what you really are and that is not a body/mind/physical being, all of those things are by-products of consciousness, your consciousness, but they are not the true source.

Solipsism is where the focus is on your mind being the central part, your mind is the container for everything, SR is where consciousness is the container.

SR is an interesting, often frustrating belief system, but I could say the same thing about christainity, it's not for everyone.

Power to the Max

[DaveTyler]

In subjective reality, you will never have friends, never have love, never be enlightened, never know god, all you will is be a ego, looked at of most as mentally insane and the first time you rape a girl you like you'll be locked up.
So have fun guys your karma next life will be saaad.
Now you'll argue that "oh no I will never rape a girl, ofcourse not I'm not like that" well u've just claimed your ************ing god, COMPLETELY alone and the center of the universe, there is no life but you, when you die, that's the end of humanity and life, u think ur god but still u can't make ************ happen... your ridiculous, normal ego people is looked at as "asleep" of enlightened people, well u just entered ************ing coma guys.

Believing there is one consciousness, what the ************ are you on crack, look in the mirror ur no more than the next guy, you people are ************ing delusional, and how come post like this still come up where people argue your belief if we do not even exist.
Get over yourself..

[escapee]

What about believing the total consciousness as some kind of super giant memory stick with a 10 power 10 trillion mb of space . Each of us conscious mammal occupies only a few bytes of the space to make up for our own awareness. Our own unique awareness or consciousness is then based on our family upbringing, biology(rats vs human), Gene prediposition (born retarded vs normal), culture, religion, geography and etc. When one of us is dead, the associated memory or consciousness get released as a "free memory" . The rest of the memory ( consciousness) remain intact and undisturbed. As such, it's not the end of the world when Max dies or anyone of us dies. Because it's just a small portion of memory get released or deleted. The awareness of our presence on earth will continue until we are all (100%) killed by a global catastrophic disaster.

This is just MO. Did i just bust the SR myth ? ( Max : " no, u didnt " )

[DaveTyler]

make's more sense, i dont see how people in subjective reality can enjoy it.
if they were god they could just say "OK today I'll go for a flight up to the skies" you wouldn't trap yourself in a body with not pure free will.
these people are clearly delusional and will die alone, cause noone else exist.
it's funny Steve Pavlina's site is just a fraud really, he and erin talks about spirit guides and jesus buddha when in his head he created them both but at the same time he needs to make a website to make money. Lol