contradiction?

[eternomi]

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...rsonal-growth/

Method 3: Use your intuition

If you aren't aware of what the best decision is, and some mysterious mental process reveals it to you, and you are still not convinced at the time, but later on, it turns out the intuitive answer was correct, what does that say about subjective reality?

If the brain and the mind are all part of "consciousness", where does intuition come from? Is intuition guided by subjective thinking or does it effect it? Does it set the course or help you steer once the course is already set?

[Shindra]

if you are not convinced, and yet it turns out it was right - you were doubtful or/and had a higher heirarchy belief interfering, or another belief at the same level that you put a little more faith in, and so that won out.

Thoughts and beliefs program your consciousness. If you believe in intuition, it will manifest in your reality. Intuition is by your consciousness, just as everything in subjective reality. You consciousness is more than your mental processes - just as you don't have to plan out the dreams you dream logically.

I believe, and think this is the most logical explanation I have so far, that intuition acts on what you feel you want, what you go around wishing for on a deeper, more general level than simple phrases of "I want this and that". Such as wanting peace or truth in your life. Then when you look to your intuition, it will point you in the direction of your deepest desire, as per your will.

I think intuition comes from your consciousness the same way thoughts, emotions or dreams do.

[eternomi]

Here is the contradiction in clearer terms:

If I didn't know the best for myself at a conscious level (the one I am aware of), how does my subconscious mind (intuition?) know better?!

If what I previously thought and believed guides/programs my subconscious mind, then it can't know more than what I was capable of thinking and believing before... Yet, it turns out to be smarter than that! Or is it just better at assembling the pieces in a way my conscious mind can't? What's the purpose of the conscious mind then?!

Lastly, why is there such a "time" difference between what the subconscious mind can see and what the conscious mind can see? Obviously, the subconscious mind is the one that can see further ahead, but all it can tell my primitive(?) conscious mind is to "do x" -which is the immediate next step- and "be patient".

How do I close this "time difference" gap anyway? How do I bring my conscious mind ever closer to my subconscious mind?

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by eternomi

If I didn't know the best for myself at a conscious level (the one I am aware of), how does my subconscious mind (intuition?) know better?!

well, I can't say I know, but for one thing, it seems the subconscious is not like the conscious mind - in that it does not need to follow a train of thought, logical or relational, to work something out. When you dream, for example, a whole scene complete with characters can appear in an instant.

The subconscious - whatever that is, that which holds memories and makes dreams - is subject to subjective reality and is only experienced in consciousness. Maybe it is something you are constantly peripherally aware of, and constantly re-forgetting, to keep up the illusion of a diverse reality where things exist seperate from each other (even such concepts as color exist only because of seperation between one thing and another. If there was only one color/nuance/light-intensity, that would be the same as blindness)

Originally Posted by eternomi

If what I previously thought and believed guides/programs my subconscious mind, then it can't know more than what I was capable of thinking and believing before... Yet, it turns out to be smarter than that! Or is it just better at assembling the pieces in a way my conscious mind can't?

Your beliefs program it as more or less general instructions, and then it works the rest out. For example, you might believe in a galaxy and some rules of physics - then it knows how, according to those laws, things would be in the galaxy - where stars and planets would be, heat and movement and so on. I am not sure if a whole galaxy(and universe) is known, in subconscious, all the time, or only as much of it as you are consciously aware of at any one time is actually made known. A starry sky and a garden, or a model of a solar system, for example.

Originally Posted by eternomi

What's the purpose of the conscious mind then?!

Lastly, why is there such a "time" difference between what the subconscious mind can see and what the conscious mind can see?

If you knew all you know, the game would be over before it began, so to speak. Nothing can be experienced without it's opposite. If you were not able to experience fear and suffering, you would not be able to experience joy. To experience fear, you had to forget your true nature and capabilities.
For instance, if you really know and believe, on all levels, that there is only here, and no "over there", there could exist no spatial objects. It's useful to have a mind that percieves seperate things in space, without it this 3d reality could not be.

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/09/perfection/

Originally Posted by eternomi

Obviously, the subconscious mind is the one that can see further ahead, but all it can tell my primitive(?) conscious mind is to "do x" -which is the immediate next step- and "be patient".

How do I close this "time difference" gap anyway? How do I bring my conscious mind ever closer to my subconscious mind?

You seem to be bothered by the limited nature of intuition?

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...our-intuition/
podcast "consulting your intuition" talks about methods for getting more detailed answers.

You could also believe in and consult with spirit guides
or
imagine an infinitely wise and intelligent person, imagine how that person would answer questions, doing that many times can eventually work around beliefs that you don't know wise and intelligent answers and train you to letting yourself recieve answers from beyond your mind - giving yourself answers that seem far wiser and clearer than what your ego could've come up with.

Your subconscious can tell you as much as you imagine/believe it can.


To use more of your true capacity in every moment, expand your consciousness, raise your level of awareness:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...ore-conscious/

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by eternomi

Here is the contradiction in clearer terms:

If I didn't know the best for myself at a conscious level (the one I am aware of), how does my subconscious mind (intuition?) know better?!

I've had this same question. On one hand there is the idea that your subconsious/intution is programmed entirely by conscious thoughts and represents the status quo, so to speak.

But on the other hand there is this idea that you can derive extra special answers to questions from it that you couldn't otherwise discover.

I think the nature of the subconsious is something that has not been delved yet.

I think there is more than just one force at work there. I've definitely noticed the power of specially programmed intution - programming an intuitive understanding into your brain that lets you get quick answers later on. This is the whole Robot/Programmer metaphor that Brian Tracy and Steve talk about.

Another factor, that people might consider to be the same as intution when it isnt (this is just my own half baked theory) is essentially that you are channeling thoughts from your higher self. So when someone says, "consult your intution" and it relates to a question for which you have no conceivable answer, you are actually requesting input from your higher self.

Whereas if you consult your intution on something you have pre-programmed, then you're requesting information from that program.

Your question is one that I asked awhile ago and couldn't find a very good answer. This theory is just my work in progress. The subconsious seems to be highly complex, and so I sort of doubt we'll ever really know whats going on exactly.

The way I approach it is just experimentally. I test my subconsious constantly by asking it a question, following the advice, and then later judging the usefulness of the answer I received.