Darkworkers in Subjective Reality?

[Holden McNeil]

I remember Steve mentioning on the forums (the post eludes me) that darkworkers and lightworkers can exist in both objective and subjective reality belief systems. I'm curious about this, because from my (somewhat limited) knowledge of subjective reality, I thought every single thing; concept, idea, time, space, people, thought, belief, etc... was all equally a part of "you" - and you were no longer identifying with your ego. And from that, I can see how a lightworker would think - helping the greater good becomes pretty logical, because "the greater good" is taking into account all of reality (beyond your ego) ... which happens to be how one thinks within the SR belief system.

But what about darkworkers? How can they be in it for themselves (which seems to be ego-driven), if they identify themselves with the whole of reality? Doesn't a darkworker's motives become exactly the same as a lightworkers if they think in a SR?

Perhaps I'm simply getting the definitions of dark/lightworker mixed up?

[Theo77]

Well, I read that the "Darkworker becomes God, the Light worker lets God become them."

So I guess you could replace "God" with "universe/reality". I have read some other stuff related to this, Jung, Buckminster Fuller, etc.

There are all these different models, and each one has a different system of levels. Jung for example parts company with Hindus and Buddhists, he goes to a level seven, in stages of ego development. He stops at a stage where there is still an ego, but it recognizes its relation to the self and the rest of the Universe.

Buddhists and Hindus would progress beyond that point, and enter this vast ocean, where the ego is just a ripple on the surface.

Jung believed that that would kind of ruin the whole point of the self incarnating in the first place.

Some have drawn from that that God is actually agnostic, and humans jobs are to create God's self awareness.

I am only interested in going to this seventh level. I really like myself and am not interested in being swallowed into the ocean. I am also drawn to this idea of polarizing dark. But I wouldn't mind playing with the idea of swallowing the ocean. It is my sense that this seventh level of ego development allows one to play around a lot.

[Theo77]

This article has been helpful to me:

Donmeh West - The Evolution of the Ego

[Theo77]

Particularly, I like this part:

" Stages 8 thru 11: this is the process of re-absorption of the ego into the Self advocated by Eastern religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism. It is not, however, considered appropriate in Neo-Sabbatian Kabbalah, since once absorbed back into the Self, the ego can no longer do its work of Tikkun HaPanim, or "Repairing the Face of God" by bringing Him into consciousness of Himself.

It is also at this point that Jung's spiritual paradigm parts company with those of the East such as Hinduism and Buddhism. In the latter traditions, the goal of the ego is to become reabsorbed (as shown in stages 8 thru 11) back into the Self from which it comes, to lose itself, as it were, in the "Ocean of Bliss" of which it is merely a wave on the surface. Jung, however, postulates that such a dissolution of the ego defeats the ultimate ambition of the Self, which is to enter human consciousness and "become" man. In other words, mankind is the Self's gateway into the world of creation, and the human ego -- reawakened to its connection to the Self (as in Stage 7) is the Keeper of that Gate.

Therefore, Jung suggests, were the ego to dissolve into the Self (as shown in Stages 8-11) it could not function as the mediator between God and His creation, which He yearns to re-enter through man. Thus, what Jung proposes is that rather than "returning" to and being reabsorbed back into the Self, as shown in Stages 8-11, the ego better serves its own goals and those of the transcendent archetypes, by remaining at Stage 7, where it sustains a dialogue with them through an "ego-self axis" as Edinger calls it. (See Edward F. Edinger, The Evolution of Consciousness.)"

[wolfgang]

Yeah, something strikes a chord in that. We kind of need the ego to be able to experience anything, to be able to make sense of the world.

I think eventually merging with oneness also means the senses of the individual are seeing/hearing as oneness, as an alignment of the individual with oneness.

However the ego is now a tool to operate in 3d, not something to cling to and worry about it's survival. And also the individual becomes a temple and there's intensity around to want be as healthy as possible since it's through the body that oneness is experienced.

[Shindra]

Think of how someone leaning towards the light would treat feeling shame - with self-forgiveness and compassion for themselves. Think of how a darkworker would - overwhelming it and replacing it with choosing to feel their own importance, hold themselves in high esteem and see their own infinite value. "I don't have to feel ashamed for anyone! I'm too important to me for that."
These are *both reactions to things inside them*. Just as in SR, all is in you.

I surmise that the very selfish feeling of importance a darkworker has is inherently different than the feeling of love, also self-love, that a lightworker has. It seems to me that, when someone leaning towards the darkworker side really begins to embrace their own worth, and feel their own value, they also begin to recognize great value in others - value to them. Think of how someone dark-like might value gold. As they feel more and more greatness, they begin to let themselves see more and more greatness(potential or realized) in others, and all becomes gold. (They no longer need outside affirmation of their worth, so they don't need to put others down.) So that feeling of super-respect importance extends to other people, seeing the value they can have to the darkworker (and how great it would be for the darkworker to live in a highly conscious, non-suffering, healthy reality). A darkworker would believe in SR if they saw it as a more accurate and empowering belief (it is easier, and more efficient, to gain power over your own thoughts/beliefs/what's inside you than seperate people 'out there'). They would still have that sense of confidence and self-value as self-respect beyond mere respect, they are infinitely valuable, but they would immediately see that value in all, when all is self.
A lightworker might say "for the greater good. In the best interests of all" Now think of a non-SR darkworker saying "in my own best interest. The best for me." And an SR-darkworker saying "for my greater good." Not 'the greater good', they would never say that, as serving something that was not them, but in SR 'me' would be the world, and as a darkworker sets long-term plans to do what's best for them (as opposed to short-term fulfillment long-term detriment, such as junkfood) so would they also extend best for self not only in terms of time but in space - because in SR they are all everywhere. To influence as much of themself positively as they can. Yes, here they would do the same as lightworkers - but remember Steve has repeatedly said light and dark often do the same things, only for different purposes.

A lightworker feels love for all the world. A darkworker feels the importance of all the world.

[Sam988]

The answer to the question, Holden McNeil, is that a darkworker, the more aware he is and if he believes in SR, he will treat others well and benefit them because he knows that by doing that he is ultimately benefiting himself. The lightworker does the same but with the intention of really benefiting others and not thinking on himself.


The more aware both are, the more alike their actions are, what changes is the reason; DW does it thinking focusing on his own wellness while the LW does it focusing on the whole's wellness.


The action ends up being the same. What changes, as Steve said, is the kind of the experience you end up having.