Advantages to the darkside

[Theo77]

I am new to the site, but I like it a lot. I have been reading the polarization articles. Steve has really tapped into somthing I think. He mentioned getting in touch with ones "shadow."

I think that is really key. Like he said, people who haven't done that will not understand. Everybody has a dark side. So anyway, he identifies as being polarized to the light. Yet, he must be in touch with his shadow, or else he wouldn't understand. But he understands better than unpolarized people. But still even though he obviously understands this stuff, he can't help be a little biased, being a light worker, though not as biased as a person who has not embraced their own shadow.

I am seriously thinking of polarizing to the dark. Definately for 30 days anyway. I have been thinking about this for a long time. These articles just clarified things. So since I have been thinking about this here are a couple advantages I want to point out.

Ok, here is a scenario. Light worker and a dark worker are forced to work together. Who ends up being in charge?

Dark worker, every time. The light worker is all about the greater good. The dark worker is all about being in control, so the lightworker yeilds control to the dark worker for the sake of the greater good.

Steve mentioned unpolarized people end up becoming pawns, right? For either light or dark polarized people. Ok, do, lightworkers want pawns? No, they are light workers. Generally pawns end up serving dark workers.

He also talked about once you polarize you are way more in control of your life. I agree. But of the two, who is really more in control?

We are talking "SELF" control are we not?

Think about it. Lots of religions oriented toward light are all about giving up control to a higher power (the Good) and giving all credit to whatever you accomplish to that higher power.

If you seve yourself, you give yourself credit. You have pride in your accomplishments. This is the main difference. It's called magnanimity.

You often end up doing the same things. Working hard, being a law abiding citizen. The difference is the sense of pride you get out of it.

[Seth]

Yesssss, come to the Dark Side. However, reconsider your idea of dominance and submission. It's all about what level of conciousness you attain. I remember reading Steve's article about winning arguments, and he could easily beat anyone at a lower level of conciousness, regardless of thier polarity. Try this scenario:

Angry Darkworker: "Bend to my will, insignificant pawn!"
Loving Steve: "No thanks."
Angry Darkworker: "I will crush you!"
Loving Steve: "You amuse me."
Angry Darkworker: "Darth Vader, little help please?"

Now THAT would be a cool fight.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Theo77

I am new to the site, but I like it a lot. I have been reading the polarization articles. Steve has really tapped into somthing I think. He mentioned getting in touch with ones "shadow."

What does it mean for you to get in touch with your shadow? For me it means noticing how mess up my subconsiousness is and how my automatic behaviours are interferring with being free or being able to respond with choice.

I am seriously thinking of polarizing to the dark. Definately for 30 days anyway. I have been thinking about this for a long time. These articles just clarified things. So since I have been thinking about this here are a couple advantages I want to point out.

What is it that you are going to be doing differnetly? What exactly does it mean to polarize to the dark, for you? Are you going to be examining why you do anything and make sure it's of some quality that is behind the motivation? And what is the quality going to be? And how do you actually change tha reason or quality behind being motivated? Are you able to shift feelings enough for what makes you want to do something?

Ok, here is a scenario. Light worker and a dark worker are forced to work together. Who ends up being in charge?

Dark worker, every time. The light worker is all about the greater good. The dark worker is all about being in control, so the lightworker yeilds control to the dark worker for the sake of the greater good.

So Jesus, as viewed as a lightworker by many - did he not lead?

Steve mentioned unpolarized people end up becoming pawns, right? For either light or dark polarized people. Ok, do, lightworkers want pawns? No, they are light workers. Generally pawns end up serving dark workers.

He also talked about once you polarize you are way more in control of your life. I agree. But of the two, who is really more in control?

Probably neither are more in control. Being in control or having a life you enjoy is a matter of consciouness, not this polarity thing, as I think.

We are talking "SELF" control are we not?

Think about it. Lots of religions oriented toward light are all about giving up control to a higher power (the Good) and giving all credit to whatever you accomplish to that higher power.

I think those religions have been misinterpted. I get that most religions seem to say, let go, let god. But also they try to let you realize god is in you, I hope. Or that the devine will is also your best intending will.

If you seve yourself, you give yourself credit. You have pride in your accomplishments. This is the main difference. It's called magnanimity.

I wonder why being magnanimous is only for one polarity. I've thought magnanimous is a kind of forgiving. Wouldn't lightworkers also be able to fogive?

You often end up doing the same things. Working hard, being a law abiding citizen. The difference is the sense of pride you get out of it.

OK, maybe pride is a dark/selfworker trait. Where a lightworker would feel proud for helping others instead of pride for being a great person.


Anyway, I applaued your ventue! For me, I can't seem to make enough sense of polarity to even do an experiement with it - to apply the idea to my motivations.

[Theo77]

Well, I have been reading the discussions and it seems like Steve is aiming for clarity and contrast, and it seems like a lot of people on the forum are uncomfortable with the "darkworker" "Lightworker" concepts and want to smooth them out and make them seem like they are practically the same thing.

Certian personality types have a tendency to do that, often women. Two people will be debating and another person will feel threatened and try to make the two sides come together.

really it negates the whole pont, in this case. I am not in favor of changing the definitions.

I won't go through everything you said point by point, but just a couple things. The dark side is about power. If you are interested mainly in personal power, that is the way to go. I sense you will want to say

"But light workers have a lot of personal power too!"

But here is the thing, not for the sake of personal power itself. If you want the good, you trust that you will recieve the power you need, no more no less.

really how powerful, you are personally, should be a matter of indiference.

Magnanimity, in the way I meant it is not about "forgiveness" otherwise I would have said "forgiveneness"

Its about pride. Lets look at the difference between philosophy and religion. Leo Strauss, uses the example of "Athens" and "Jerusalem"

The value system was similar, but the Greeks had pride in themselves. In the Jewish religion, they gave glory to God for everything. In the Bible Pride is a sin.

So if you have pride in yourself, and you do somthing great, you take credit.

If you are doing everything "for the glory of God" you don't take credit. You give credit to God.

[Theo77]

About what I would do differently, is that I will focus more on self interest and self promotion. Work on exercizing in order to be stronger and look good. Write in order to get published and make money and achieve recognition.

Most of my life I have been more of a lightworker and I am burnt out on it. I find that what happens is that your life ends up sucking. Then you are supposed to overcome that through being more loving. Really, everything you do is not towards a goal of getting anything for yourself. Its supposed to happen indirectly and then you thank God or whatever.

Look at Jesus, He got beaten and hung on a cross and killed. Then he forgave everyone. See? To be the most loving, you have to put up with the most crap in order to be more loving. Like Job. If you have a good life its too easy to be loving. It requires faith in a higher power instead of yourself.

I am just pointing out the advantages as I see them.

good luck

[wolfgang]

But, really, what is it that you are going to be doing differnetly?

And I ask this as I try to understand what you understand polarity to be. I'm not trying to tell you that you got it all wrong, since I don't get it myself. If I was to try to run an experiment and be polarized, I won't know how to pull that off.

Plus defining what you are going to do differently may help you solidify your 30 day experiment.

edit: you answered before I was able to re-post. Thanks!

good luck to you too!

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Theo77

About what I would do differently, is that I will focus more on self interest and self promotion. Work on exercizing in order to be stronger and look good. Write in order to get published and make money and achieve recognition.

Most of my life I have been more of a lightworker and I am burnt out on it. I find that what happens is that your life ends up sucking. Then you are supposed to overcome that through being more loving. Really, everything you do is not towards a goal of getting anything for yourself. Its supposed to happen indirectly and then you thank God or whatever.

Yet another example of proof of my theory that BALANCE is the key. I've been successfully doing both SELFWorking/WORLDWorking myself and I see results.

For example, when you say "Write in order to get published", you may want to look at thinking from the point of view that by writing something that is truly valuable you'll also make money. In other words, write what the world needs so that it can reward you, instead of writing what you want to write that nobody might be interested in.

[Michelle]

I would really like it if someone could provide another example of light vs. dark than Star Wars please. It is totally boring.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Yet another example of proof of my theory that BALANCE is the key. I've been successfully doing both SELFWorking/WORLDWorking myself and I see results.

For example, when you say "Write in order to get published", you may want to look at thinking from the point of view that by writing something that is truly valuable you'll also make money. In other words, write what the world needs so that it can reward you, instead of writing what you want to write that nobody might be interested in.

I think like this too. It has seemed odd to me that polarizing would generate more motivation or better effective motivation - since polarizing seemed like an exercise of taking part of the reason to get something done off the table.

[Theo77]

total balance is zero. So if that's what you want. Go for it.

as far as other examples besides Star Wars, Have you seen the movie "Collateral" with Tom Cruise and Jamie Fox?

Tom Cruise character, the contract killer, was obviously polarized dark. Fox's character was unpolarized in the beginning and later became polarized light.

Cruise's character was the won that woke him up from his slumber and got him to do somthing with his life. He confronted him on it. He'd been driving a cab for 12 years pretending he had this big dream, but he was perpetually putting his life on hold.

Tom Cruis'e character was actually more enlightened at that point! He was making things happen doing what he wanted in life. The cabbie wasn't. So he helped him.

Then he ended up killing tom cruise in the end, so really Cruise character was a Christ like figure in a way. (Ant-Christ?)

Well anyway it was a deep movie with lots of esoteric ideas.

[Theo77]

another thing I wanted to add, by not being polarized, you end up being an extension of another person's will.

If you were totally balanced, I guess that wouldn't be true. in a way you would be invisible. That's the only advantage I can think of.

You'd be like baking soda and vinegar after all the bubbles go away and everything is neutral. Kind of like a flat soda.

[Theo77]

I think I am already on this path, though officially, I will start april first.

I feel my energy shifting. Here is an example:

Today, I had an inner conflict, and solved it by polarizing dark. I have a colleague, that is not in a direct supervisory position over me. He gave me a task. Basically because he thought I would do it. More work for me, I derive no benefit. I didn't do it and today, I had to meet with him. By being unpolarized, this is stressful and awkward for me. I am conflicted. On the one hand I don't want to work on the stuff. Its not my job, on the other hand I don't want to be seen as a shirker, or rude, or like I let him down. Its stressful.

What, I did was I didn't do the work, didn't bring it up, and left all the awkwardness on him. I put him in the position of bringing it up. I kept my body very still. I had a smile on my face. The unstated message was:

"This is your job, not mine. I am not doing it. I have a lot more leverage than I thought. There is nothing in it for me, you haven't ever helped me in any way. You are either going to do it yourself or make it worth my while. You shouldn't have relied on me."

I said all that by not saying anything. Silence is powerful. There was an energetic exchange. I won. I got the type of energy boost people get when they win a fight or win at a game.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Theo77

I think I am already on this path, though officially, I will start april first.

I feel my energy shifting. Here is an example:

Today, I had an inner conflict, and solved it by polarizing dark. I have a colleague, that is not in a direct supervisory position over me. He gave me a task. Basically because he thought I would do it. More work for me, I derive no benefit. I didn't do it and today, I had to meet with him. By being unpolarized, this is stressful and awkward for me. I am conflicted. On the one hand I don't want to work on the stuff. Its not my job, on the other hand I don't want to be seen as a shirker, or rude, or like I let him down. Its stressful.

What, I did was I didn't do the work, didn't bring it up, and left all the awkwardness on him. I put him in the position of bringing it up. I kept my body very still. I had a smile on my face. The unstated message was:

"This is your job, not mine. I am not doing it. I have a lot more leverage than I thought. There is nothing in it for me, you haven't ever helped me in any way. You are either going to do it yourself or make it worth my while. You shouldn't have relied on me."

I said all that by not saying anything. Silence is powerful. There was an energetic exchange. I won. I got the type of energy boost people get when they win a fight or win at a game.

What bothers me is that reading this sounds like Steve's ideas has given you the right to act in a passive agressive way. If your goal is to put up non-communication as a way to drive someone else nuts, then you are being succesfull. But what kind of success is that? If someone did that to me, I would feel terrible. It would be a very bad vibe that would make me want to get away.

Is applying Steve's darkworker polarity supposed to produce that result too?!!!

I think a more noble approach is to bring it out on the table directly and be motivated to do so by taking care of your self. If someone is taking advantage of you, then you have to not let it happen. Silence is powerful yet also ugly and non-coopoerative and is not looking for win-win solutions.

[Theo77]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

What bothers me is that reading this sounds like Steve's ideas has given you the right to act in a passive agressive way. If your goal is to put up non-communication as a way to drive someone else nuts, then you are being succesfull. But what kind of success is that? If someone did that to me, I would feel terrible. It would be a very bad vibe that would make me want to get away.

Is applying Steve's darkworker polarity supposed to produce that result too?!!!

I think a more noble approach is to bring it out on the table directly and be motivated to do so by taking care of your self. If someone is taking advantage of you, then you have to not let it happen. Silence is powerful yet also ugly and non-coopoerative and is not looking for win-win solutions.

Not really. Silence is a good sales technique. Really good closers know when to shut up, let the pressure mount and let the customer close the sale.

By being still, and silent, you can control other peoples energy. What I did was not passive agressive at all. Passive agressive would be to do the work and ♥♥♥♥♥ and complain about it or try to sabotage it with negativity.

Getting confrontational would be more direct but allow my opponent to redirect my energy, like I did to him.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Theo77

Not really. Silence is a good sales technique. Really good closers know when to shut up, let the pressure mount and let the customer close the sale.

By being still, and silent, you can control other peoples energy. What I did was not passive agressive at all. Passive agressive would be to do the work and ♥♥♥♥♥ and complain about it or try to sabotage it with negativity.

Getting confrontational would be more direct but allow my opponent to redirect my energy, like I did to him.

Spin it how you will. Sales people are good at effective silence - only after engaging them. You did no engaging other than ignoring the supervisor dumping more work on you. I'm not saying get all upity at him and have a power struggle.

But I also can see, being still and silent can be that you've made your case and there's nothing else to say - but that would require some communication. Like, "bossman you are overloading me and I won't be able to do that work", then go silent.

By being silent, and not actually delivering the message - the bossman has to guess and may be thinking, "boy that guy doesn't respect me, I asked him to do something and he's ignoring it. Maybe he'll do the next thing that I give or maybe he'll ignore me again but I can't tell where he's coming from". It could drive the bossman nuts alright or it could make him not want to ask you to do anything, including work for him anymore.

If polarizing means being able to justify certain behaviours as effective and not be able to see how it's possibly induldging the shadow behaviours - then hmmm... is that personal development?

[Theo77]

Law 4

Always Say Less than Necessary

When you are trying to impress people with words, the more you say, the more common you appear, and the less in control. Even if you are saying something banal, it will seem original if you make it vague, open-ended, and sphinxlike. Powerful people impress and intimidate by saying less. The more you say, the more likely you are to say something foolish.
Law 9

Win through your Actions, Never through Argument

Any momentary triumph you think gained through argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary change of opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you through your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.

Keep Others in Suspended Terror: Cultivate an Air of Unpredictability

Humans are creatures of habit with an insatiable need to see familiarity in other people’s actions. Your predictability gives them a sense of control. Turn the tables: Be deliberately unpredictable. Behavior that seems to have no consistency or purpose will keep them off-balance, and they will wear themselves out trying to explain your moves. Taken to an extreme, this strategy can intimidate and terrorize.

[Theo77]

The main thing that happened though is I changed the energetics of the situation. It was based on guilt manipulation on his part. I just let it roll off me like water off a ducks back.

I don't think of this as some massive victory or anything, though, just a little step.

But as far as creating all these win/win situations and having 100% total communication with everyone that's not my goal.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Theo77

..Keep Others in Suspended Terror: Cultivate an Air of Unpredictability

Humans are creatures of habit with an insatiable need to see familiarity in other people’s actions. Your predictability gives them a sense of control. Turn the tables: Be deliberately unpredictable. Behavior that seems to have no consistency or purpose will keep them off-balance, and they will wear themselves out trying to explain your moves. Taken to an extreme, this strategy can intimidate and terrorize.

Who wrote those laws? Laws for how to operate with power struggles?

What happened to a win-win approach?

I thought one result of going polar was that people know where you stand.

And where in life are people applying intimidation and terror as authentic power? It really sounds unattractive to me - I have no desire to deal with people that act like that. They can go have all the power the want.

Great, let's try really hard to be unpredictable so that other power struggling people can freak out on you.

[starlet]

I'm going to reinterpret these laws to try and make them sound less harsh and to show a lot of people really have been doing them for years and we operate as a society using a lot of these rules.

Law 4 - Always Say Less than Necessary
Actions speak louder then words

Law 9 - Win through your Actions, Never through Argument
Put up or shut up or prove it

Keep Others in Suspended Terror: Cultivate an Air of Unpredictability
Always keep them on their toes.

Heck, personally I've been doing this one for years, all my friends know that the only thing they can expect from me is the unexpected.