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Old 05-19-2008, 07:56 AM   #91 (permalink)
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I'm really glad I've found this thread. I understand SELFworker and WORLDworker A LOT better than Lightworker & Darkworker.

I do have a question about the terms though... Would SELFworker be more about developing and feeding ones EGO, while WORLDworker would have less of a focus on EGO and more on helping others?

Or is EGO not necessarily part of the definition: as one could be a SELFworker with or without EGO and a WORLDworker with / without EGO.

Thanks for this thread,

Troy
In my definition, Ego is not part of the equation. Meaning, both Selfworkers and Worldworkers have an Ego. Without Ego we are simply God.

As we move up the scales of consciousness, we shed our Ego more and more and move towards a more God-like presence. That can be done as a SELFWorker or as a WORLDWorker.
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Old 05-19-2008, 11:32 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Much much better, than the light/darker worker, that just like heaven/hell model, and it feels like you have to be mother teresa to be a lightworker.

CASE study: what would robin hood be ?? steal from the rich BAD give to the poor GOOD
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:45 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone considered some of the “energy symbolism” within Steve’s two different terms for polarization (darkworker and lightworker)? In elementary school, we are taught that dark colors absorb heat or light and that lighter colors reflect them. Perhaps an even better metaphor would be the basic concept of a black hole versus a star. One draws in energy (selfishness) and the other gives it off (selflessness).

And yes, I do realize that real physics is more complicated than this but this is intended only as symbolism. Although this is a very simple thought, I believe it is relevant to point out when discussing the validity of Steve’s polarization terminology.



On a side note, I’d say that anyone whose decision is going to be heavily influenced by the terminology is not ready to polarize (Do not assume that you will ever be prepared to choose to polarize, because most people never really will). As Steve (and I) has said before, true “darkworkers” do not have a problem with “evil” labels. If you’re ready to polarize in that direction then you will not be put off by them (remember, “Evil” is a compliment ). Polarization is about a fundamental change in mindset. To polarize you must be willing to permanently change your own view point.

I believe that problem which many people have is excepting the fact that in order to polarize; one must shrug off previous social standards and ideals. In a sense, you have to rebel, because neither polarity is in keeping with general social views. You can’t truly “fit in” with most people and polarize. To be a lightworker, you must reject many previous social standards of “practicality” and this kind of extreme frightens people. To be a darkworker you must sacrifice many social standards of morality and this too, frightens people. So they try to make these concepts more palatable by general social standards, forgetting that society in general is not designed to embrace either of these concepts.

Darkworkers are not meant to be “good”, and if being considered “evil” (by many of society’s standards) is so unappealing to you that you won’t choose that path based on that, then you definitely shouldn’t polarize darkworker. It’s that simple. In fact, you are probably not ready to polarize either way. There is a lot of truth in Steve’s concepts of polarity and they are multifaceted. Everything he has written about these concepts applies and he has just used different metaphors and examples in many of the different articles he has written so far. Polarization is an all encompassing lifestyle-type endeavor and it is very hard to sum up in any simple or singular way.

If Steve’s definition of polarization is too extreme or too dualistic for you to find it appealing, don’t try to change the concept to suit your own needs and thus water it down to something it’s not. It is extreme and dualistic and that’s the point! Most people can’t do it. If you can’t handle it then the only thing you have to blame Steve for, is dangling this idea in front of you in the first place. He thinks he is doing everyone a service by giving them this unique, but accurate information and hoping that it will benefit them. Although I personally like his polarization articles, I think he’s giving many of his other readers wait too much credit.

Remember that polarization means rejecting what you were taught and what society holds dear (society itself is extremely unpolarized). To be a lightworker or a darkworker you must choose something which may be considered psychologically drastic and socially taboo. For most people these ideas are very uncomfortable and this is why most people will never polarize. By most standards, polarization “shouldn’t work”, but for some people it does. If everyone was able to polarize, our society would look very different.
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