Better definition and rename of Lightworker/Darkworker is in order

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Kingston

So your intention of denying polarization either is very strong, and than it is not there, or either weak, and then that intention does not manifest!

Checkmate. The above is a prove that polarity exists. It is in Steves articles. If you don't believe Steve, thats fine. But that would mean lowering your consciousness, and than you are worse of.

So what you're saying is
(1) Because you need to have strong energy to manifest intentions, that proves that polarity exists? Huh? I already knew I needed strong energy to manifest using LoA and have been doing it. That doesn't tell me I need to polarize and become a lightworker/darkworker in any way/shape or form.

(2) If we don't listen to Steve we're lowering our consciousness? I'm sure Steve will be happy to hear that, but I'm not going to believe something Steve said just because Steve said it. It has to make intuitive and logical sense to me.

Just my 2 cents.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by starlet

But then again, back to where I started - which way do I choose?! I feel like a hamster in a wheel - spinning and spinning but getting nowhere. Its seems like polarization is life a life or death thing - pick one and you are stuck with it forever. And looking at my goals, exactly half are lightworker and half are dark. So now I'm good and screwed.

Starlet, listen to me for one sec here. You're not screwed. The fact that your goals are half and half simply means that you're balanced in your polarities. I'm exactly the same way, and IT WORKS! I have no problem utilizing LoA for big things. Whatever I want. I just manifested purchasing a 5.49 acre estate perfectly matching the description I wrote in my journal. I can give you more details privately if you want, but I'm getting results. I've used the same process to get raises at work, get things like cars, meet people, make money, etc. Sometimes when I go for lunch with my brother I completely blow his mind with how quickly I can manifest things. So I know it works.

There's no doubt in my mind that Polarization is NOT required to make LoA effective because I have not Polarized and I use LoA effectively every day. Now whether or not one can reach enlightenment without polarizing I am not sure because I am not enlightened, but so far Steve hasn't demonstarted any conclusive logical arguement to show that polarization is required to reach enlightenment.

Furthermore, Steve has reached his level of success thus far (making $30k/month from a blog is no small feat) WITHOUT polarizing yet. He's just thinking about polarizing now to get to the next level.

I would not, and I would advise you not to change any of your goals around trying to "polarize" until you (1) at least fully understand what he actually means by it, and (2) you fully agree and believe he's correct.

Or you can listen to Steve just because it's Steve, and let me know how it goes, but I just cringe when I hear people doing stuff that doesn't sit with them intuitively just because a "guru" said so.

I give people advice in life (at work & home) and I write a blog, but I would adise anyone whom I advise that if their intuition is saying for them to do the opposite of what I'm saying, LISTEN TO YOUR INTUITION, not me! I am pretty sure Steve would say the same thing.

[starlet]

Originally Posted by Kingston

Ok. SR is about explaining the law of attraction. And we just learned that intentions need a strong energy current to manifest; inflow or outflow. So your intention of denying polarization either is very strong, and than it is not there, or either weak, and then that intention does not manifest!

Checkmate. The above is a prove that polarity exists. It is in Steves articles. If you don't believe Steve, thats fine. But that would mean lowering your consciousness, and than you are worse of.

See, this is where you lose me. I have a very strong intention, I have manifested "large" things before. I'm quite good at it, I just manifested free third row tickets to an improv show I've been dying to see, a free ride up to see it, and a free two night hotel stay. Got back a month ago from a free weeklong stay in Vegas, which included airfaire and $500 free spending money. I send out the desire, and intend it to happen, and believe it will and it does, LOA in action.

So what does having a strong intention have to do with polarization?

[starlet]

Originally Posted by impaul99

There's no doubt in my mind that Polarization is NOT required to make LoA effective because I have not Polarized and I use LoA effectively every day. Now whether or not one can reach enlightenment without polarizing I am not sure because I am not enlightened, but so far Steve hasn't demonstarted any conclusive logical arguement to show that polarization is required to reach enlightenment.

*g* I think I've just been thrown for a loop, I have been doing LOA for months now, getting results, and now I just found out about polarization and am floored, NONE of the many LOA authors I have read have mentioned a freaking think about it. I think I panicked, because while inside something is screaming "no, you've been doing fine without learning about polarization!" something else is screaming "you're no expert, so just shut up and do what the man says!" I am certain voice #2 is my ego, I seriously need to go about back and shoot that sucker.

I think I'll stick with the 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' philosophy, I've been doing splendid thus far

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by starlet

See, this is where you lose me. I have a very strong intention, I have manifested "large" things before. I'm quite good at it, I just manifested free third row tickets to an improv show I've been dying to see, a free ride up to see it, and a free two night hotel stay. Got back a month ago from a free weeklong stay in Vegas, which included airfaire and $500 free spending money. I send out the desire, and intend it to happen, and believe it will and it does, LOA in action.

So what does having a strong intention have to do with polarization?

Nothing. I think Kingston is confusing polarization with strong intentions.

I've had strong intentions in the past that were so strong that they manifested nearly instantly, and I also had intentions in the opposite polarity that manifested as well. If polarization made LoA break, then I think you'd agree that since you're polarized 50/50 and so am I, we should be some of the most frustrated people on the planet when it comes to LoA. Instead, you're getting GOOD RESULTS and so am I! Others on this forum that have gotten results with LoA and they're not polarized either. Not yet anyways.

So, I don't think it cancels itself out in terms of LoA.

Now, polarization to gain enlightenment, is still debatable. I'm still waiting for Steve to explain why he thinks it's required. Right now I'm not convinced at all..

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by starlet

*g* I think I've just been thrown for a loop, I have been doing LOA for months now, getting results, and now I just found out about polarization and am floored, NONE of the many LOA authors I have read have mentioned a freaking think about it. I think I panicked, because while inside something is screaming "no, you've been doing fine without learning about polarization!" something else is screaming "you're no expert, so just shut up and do what the man says!" I am certain voice #2 is my ego, I seriously need to go about back and shoot that sucker.

I think I'll stick with the 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' philosophy, I've been doing splendid thus far

You're right. Don't listen to Steve just because he's Steve. I don't even think he'd want you to do that ESPECIALLY if your intuition is telling you otherwise. Your life is your responsibility, not his, so be careful not to fall into what I call "Guru Worship".

I even wrote about it on my blog: » Avoiding the Pitfalls of Self-Development Material > Self Help Wisdom to Inspire, Empower and Enlighten You

Hope that helps.

[impaul99]

I started with trying to re-label Darkworker and Lightworker, but I think I ended up with a totally different concept of energies.

I wrote my perspective conclusion here: » Balancing the Selfworker and Worldworker Inside You > Self Help Wisdom to Inspire, Empower and Enlighten You

[Kingston]

Originally Posted by impaul99

So what you're saying is
(1) Because you need to have strong energy to manifest intentions, that proves that polarity exists? Huh? I already knew I needed strong energy to manifest using LoA and have been doing it. That doesn't tell me I need to polarize and become a lightworker/darkworker in any way/shape or form.

(2) If we don't listen to Steve we're lowering our consciousness? I'm sure Steve will be happy to hear that, but I'm not going to believe something Steve said just because Steve said it. It has to make intuitive and logical sense to me.

Just my 2 cents.

You and Starlet are using LoA right, but you miss one thing. Let me explain while answering your questions. You can verify it all be rereading the articles.

(1) In the first article of this series, Steve tells us about the two components of an intention: its content and its energy. The content does not matter, it can be anything you want, represented in word, or images, whatever. But it will only manifest with a strong energy current, which has a direction. That is the polarity of THAT intention. So you manifest intentions successfully with energy and that is good for you! BUT: You don't NEED to use the same polarity every time! Sometimes you want to get, and sometimes to give. That's all fine.

What Steve is talking about with lightworkers and darkworkers is manifesting REALLY big intentions, like world peace and becoming a movie star. These are only accessible if you apply your whole being to one polarity: either inflow or outflow. That means you from that decision on you will apply the same polarity to everything you manifest. You specialise. You polarize not just your intention, but yourself.

(2) Steve manifests intentions the same way you do. This website is the proof of his success with it. And I KNOW that the theory of levels of consciousness is true, and that every person, object, and intentions can be evaluated against it. Steve is Love (outflow) polarized as we know, and his level is higher than most of us. He is at that level as consequence of using the same outflow polarity for all his intentions; so high polarity = high level of consciousness = smart action and thinking = great results.

Of course use your own mind. But reading highly polarized texts like Steve's articles is good input for a good conclusion. It can't hurt, right?

Originally Posted by impaul99

I would not, and I would advise you not to change any of your goals around trying to "polarize" until you (1) at least fully understand what he actually means by it, and (2) you fully agree and believe he's correct.

Impaul is absolutely right. Take your time! You are obviously a good manifestor already. All you have to understand is that the energy you use for you intentions always has a direction. If you use the same every time, you will become better at it. That is polarizing yourself, not only this specific intention.

Originally Posted by starlet

So what does having a strong intention have to do with polarization?

As above. But the intentions you manifest are usually about getting. You REALLY wanted those tickets and to go to Las Vegas, right? If you are so good at that GETTING, maybe you should (eventually) specialize you intentions towards inflow. If you reach the level of reason, you can than decide if you want to polarize all the way. I think you would be a lovely darkworker!

[wolfgang]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlashChick
Hi Paul,
So you want to polarize? Set goals that are bigger than yourself, and work to achieve them, and by necessity, you will polarize. Yep, it's that simple. The act of setting goals in and of itself will not cause you to polarize, but if you want to achieve those goals, you must polarize. No polarization is "good" or "bad" as long as you don't exploit yourself (lightworker syndrome) or exploit others (darkworker syndrome.)

Hope this helps.
-Erica


That's a great way to look at it Erica. I completely agree.

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

That's a great way to look at it Erica. I completely agree.

Also, if mixing polarities are two incompatiable motivations - like it was said to be motivated by fear (or self love, or harnessed fear) and by love of others isn't even possible to do - then we don't even have to worry that we are polarized since the two states are supposedly not able to exist at the same time.

Fear and love are different and mutually exclusive of each other when looking at thoses states as the motivation behind goals.

None of us have to sort through all our motivations and try to figure out which it is - or try to make sure it's only one of the polarities. It is going to be one or the other anyway!

[Kingston]

Impaul, you started this thread because you will not accept all consequences of the LoA and polarity. You obviously know a lot about self improvement and you are and aware person. But I think a conflict within you is causing your resistance: You want to be enlightened, and GET things like a nice piece of land at the same time.

You have not come to terms with your shadow yet. Solve this by realizing that you can manifest the same 'dark' things like real estate for a higher, 'light' purpose. Subsume the goal of getting to a goal of giving. You can then safely polarize as a lightworker (or worldworker) and be even better at manifesting your intentions, and eventually reach enlightenment.

If you don't overcome this resistance, I don't think you can get to the level of love. That would be a pity.

Hope that helps.

[starlet]

I think I have my understanding of it, and inflow and outflow were the terms used explain it to me, so that is what I am going to use. Some people concentrate on bringing energy into them, some concentrate on sending it out. But if you concentrate on only sending energy one way you become more "powerful" because as you practice only sending the energy only one way you gain control of the energy.

But of course, when you continually take in energy, you need to release it. Thus, darkworkers, even though they concentrate on themselves and energy inflow, invariably some of that energy will escape and that energy will benefit the world. Likewise, lightworkers send so much energy out, they cannot continue to do so unless they replenished, so by energizing the world, the energy returns and helps them.

Am I totally off base?

[Kingston]

Originally Posted by starlet

But of course, when you continually take in energy, you need to release it. Thus, darkworkers, even though they concentrate on themselves and energy inflow, invariably some of that energy will escape and that energy will benefit the world. Likewise, lightworkers send so much energy out, they cannot continue to do so unless they replenished, so by energizing the world, the energy returns and helps them.

Am I totally off base?

Now you take energy to literally. A lightworker only takes and gets to give more back. The intentions are always based on love (=outflow) energy. A darkworker gives, to (hopefully) get some more in return. It does not make the motivation less greedy.

Like I said, you would be a great darkworker (Las Vegas, concert tickets). When you help others, you like the attention, right?

[Theo77]

I feel like I have more energy as I am heading this way. I kind of look at like Starlet is looking at it.

I feel like my energy is less scattered and dispersed. Today, I feel kind of like I am mourning my lost innocence or somthing though. Its kind of weird.

That's the main reason I am doing it for 30 days first. To make sure its the right decision.

[starlet]

Originally Posted by Kingston

Now you take energy to literally. A lightworker only takes and gets to give more back. The intentions are always based on love (=outflow) energy. A darkworker gives, to (hopefully) get some more in return. It does not make the motivation less greedy.

I know that, I'm just trying to sort out how one can be a darkworker and still invariably help the world and how one can be a lightworker and still invariably help themselves. That's what the big hang-up sems to be with me and other people...I want to be darkworkers because I want but we want, but I still don't want to be stamped as a greedy self-serving "female dog." I want to "give back" to be admired more, personally. With the way inflow/outflow was explained to me, outflow invariably happens, which leads to that "giving back" which leads to my admiration which will lead to me getting more in return - more fame.

[impaul99]

I wrote an article with graphical pictures showing how I understand things currently.

If anyone's interested, it's here: » SelfWorkers, WorldWorkers and Polarizing with Love or Fear > Self Help Wisdom to Inspire, Empower and Enlighten You

[PresNevins]

The thread has shifted around a bit from its starting point (and a lot of good points have been raised!) but concerning the initial topic:

This new option for terminology brings back for me the feeling I first got when Steve began talking about polarity, before any of light/dark stuff came up to cloud the issue. Just a feeling of having two options explained to me in terms of effectiveness and what they do. No moral issues, just "What happens when I plug the battery in facing this way instead of that way?"

The term "Lightworker" has never been an effective term for me -- it somehow seems too... I dunno, hand-wavey or something. I have no problem with metaphysics stuff, it's just the term that falls flat. "Darkworker" for me loses part of its initial meaning due to its partner being weak, and 80% of the rest of the meaning is obscured by the obvious negative connotations the term itself brings up. ("Mr. Pedophile," LOL)

When I first encountered the Polarity issue (when it was being discussed in fairly clinical, detached terms in the first couple of posts) I had a strong sense of it being a very significant way to think about looking at the world. Something I could see had value enough to begin trying to plug it into my world view. Since light and dark came into the picture though, this initial feeling has fizzled away and the whole thing just feels like another way of dividing the world into another "Us" and "Them" (as I recall another person on the forum also posting). But when I start thinking about it again with these new neutral terms replacing the weak Lightworker and skewed Darkworker, I get some of that initial clarity back again. Very useful, thank you.

Pres

[Sam988]

wow impaul wrote just the consclusions i had come to after reading the 8 page initial thread on the subject.


thats it, i think darkworkers and lightworkers are definitely not "good" and "evil", they just love different things, being Dworkers love themselves above all and Lworkers love humanity above all.



And i disagree with those who say that Dworkers are on the path to becoming Lworkers, because there is love in both.

[shant121]

Originally Posted by Sam988

And i disagree with those who say that Dworkers are on
the path to becoming Lworkers, because there is love in both.

Agree with you. Dworks and Lworks are both on path to be in love with God/Consciousness. Different paths leading to the same finality.

But according to Paul's diagram it doesnt seem possible that a Darkworker can be highly conscious , which I dont agree with.

[shant121]

So what does having a strong intention have to do with polarization?

OFC strong intentions have to do with polarization!!! Steve is talking about the polarization of intentions in order to achieve things. If you mix polarities in an intention, there is less of a chance that it'll manifest. Which is why many people intend but the manifestations dont happen.

And this all, Steve says, not I. I experiment with what he says.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by shant121

Agree with you. Dworks and Lworks are both on path to be in love with God/Consciousness. Different paths leading to the same finality.

But according to Paul's diagram it doesnt seem possible that a Darkworker can be highly conscious , which I dont agree with.

Darkworker in my model can harness use great amounts of FORCE to get things done, but they don't have true POWER which only comes from polarizing LOVE (Lightworker).

Darkworkers, from an outside perspective, might seem powerful, but in reality they've built their foundation on FEAR and EGO and as such, have no stable ground to stand on. Think Hitler. Think Saddam Hussein. Saddam was considered "a great man" by some in his country while he was in power. Why? Because people feared him. I'm not saying that darkworkers in my model can't achieve results and ammas great power. They can. It's just that it's built on FEAR.

The only difference between my model and Steve's is that while in my model darkworkers can achieve power via use of FORCE, they do not become enlightened. Unless you believe that Saddam became enlightened after his hanging.

[shant121]

Hmmm

Someone mentioned this before..it would be great to see an example of a highly conscious darkworker. ok its my assignment for tonight

[Theo77]

I Think people that assume darkworkers can't be highly conscious or reach enlightenment, haven't gotten in touch with their own darkness.

If you haven't gotten in touch with your own darkness you are unconscious of it. Therefore it controls you.

So that would be the first step to take to get your head around this.

But as far as what a highly conscious darkworker would be like, they would be like any other highly conscious spiritually advanced person.

Because to getting there you transcend polarity.
But taking a step back. Talking about a dark worker that is highly conscious, but not a sage or anything.

A good analogy is this:

A black belt in marial arts that relizes he can kick the ass of anyone walking down the street. So they no longer worry about it and become calm and humble.

[Josh]

Originally Posted by shant121

Hmmm

Someone mentioned this before..it would be great to see an example of a highly conscious darkworker. ok its my assignment for tonight

Ramana Maharshi

Ramana Maharshi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and Nisargadatta Maharaj

Nisargadatta Maharaj

- examples of how focusing completely on the sense of self ends up turning into the opposite. Ramana is particularly fitting, because his entire transformation started with an intense fear of death.

Josh

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Josh

Ramana Maharshi

Ramana Maharshi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and Nisargadatta Maharaj

Nisargadatta Maharaj

- examples of how focusing completely on the sense of self ends up turning into the opposite. Ramana is particularly fitting, because his entire transformation started with an intense fear of death.

Josh

They had a deep LOVE of SELF, therefore they would be Lightworkers. Darkworkers are SELF FEAR and WORLD FEAR oriented.

[shant121]

Originally Posted by impaul99

They had a deep LOVE of SELF, therefore they would be Lightworkers. Darkworkers are SELF FEAR and WORLD FEAR oriented.

Ok, these are Paul's definitions Steve Pavlina says self love = darkworker. whichever one you subscribe too, please polarize for the benefit of the world

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Sam988

And i disagree with those who say that Dworkers are on the path to becoming Lworkers, because there is love in both.

Is this another axiom of polarity, that must be true in Steve's polarity model (#5)? Which really is that dark/light polarity is not the same as LOC (so I added #6).

1) dark and light both can become enlightened
2) there's a sydrome to both
3) others don't suffer from positive (healthy) dark or light workers
4) polarization is more effective at motivating than not polarizing
5) darkworkers are not becoming lightworkers (not a subset of lightworkers)
6) dark/light polarization is not the same axis as LOC.

[shant121]

So finally everyone agrees!!!

Something to add to Wolfgang

Originally Posted by Michael Chui
You guys keep forgetting that "Enlightened Darkworker" == "Enlightened Lightworker". There's no distinction, because "Self" == "Others".

[Jenny]

Originally Posted by SlashChick

So you want to polarize? Set goals that are bigger than yourself, and work to achieve them, and by necessity, you will polarize. Yep, it's that simple. The act of setting goals in and of itself will not cause you to polarize, but if you want to achieve those goals, you must polarize.

I completely agree, the acts of both setting a goal and achieving it bypass all of the confusion regarding terminology (such as self-identifying as evil or good) and bring you face-to-face with your real motivitations, drives, etc.

[Sam988]

This is something very interesting. But i think that it's not that simple, i think that in order to achieve them you must first and consciously polarize. Just setting the goal isnt going to do it.

[Troy01]

I'm really glad I've found this thread. I understand SELFworker and WORLDworker A LOT better than Lightworker & Darkworker.

I do have a question about the terms though... Would SELFworker be more about developing and feeding ones EGO, while WORLDworker would have less of a focus on EGO and more on helping others?

Or is EGO not necessarily part of the definition: as one could be a SELFworker with or without EGO and a WORLDworker with / without EGO.

Thanks for this thread,

Troy