Better definition and rename of Lightworker/Darkworker is in order

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by YouseffTheSheep

Get over good vs evil, hero's vs villains, and then you don't need new definitions. You guys are focusing way too much on the semantics and wordings being used, and are falling into one of the biggest intellectual time-wasting traps ever.

I feel this way too. I'm partly pissed at Steve for creating this idea and not supporting us - or not being able to write about it - all he says is if he does write about it, it still wouldn't explain it since it's not transferable in words (that words are pointing only) or breakfast is calling instead of being more brilliant. But many authors have been able to express what is beyond words better - I hope he can elucidate his ideas and find a way to present a workable model, other than stating it's either service to self/or service to others and only one or the other and both are equal paths to higher consciousness. He thinks he's onto something and generates my interest. That he almost promises, if you get polarity, you can lead a more fullfilling life.

I almost wish I was like you (I assume), YouseffTheSheep, and could easily walk away. Maybe I will out of frustration and exhaustion Or - I'm not sure where you stand with these ideas - all you've done is state that we are focusing in a time wasting way. I wish, if you have a stand that you could help us not waste time, if your view would help. Or maybe you are right - it's all not worth the trouble of thinking about what Steve is trying to say.

This thread is for defining polarity, as I see it, not expressing what I just did, sorry about some venting there.

[Holistic Star]

Originally Posted by YouseffTheSheep

Get over good vs evil, hero's vs villains, and then you don't need new definitions. You guys are focusing way too much on the semantics and wordings being used, and are falling into one of the biggest intellectual time-wasting traps ever.

Marge: A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
Homer: Not if it was called a stench-blossom.


Semantics are important because words are loaded with historical, cultural and personal meaning.

I agree with impaul99 that discussing a change of terminology has helped clarify the meanings of them. However once we have got the ideas straight then I agree it is time to stop discussing the words and get on with working out

a) Whether or not to polarise.
b) Which way to polarise
c) How the hell do you polarise?!*


* i.e. I get it intellectually and would like to discuss where to start.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Holistic Star

[COLOR="Blue"]c) How the hell do you polarise?!*


* i.e. I get it intellectually and would like to discuss where to start.

Yeah, how the hell does one polarize?

If I could read what someone actually is doing to be polarized, that might help me understand the concept, to the point that I could fit the idea into my life. Or help me realize if it's something of value for me (as Steve and others seem to think there's great value)

[impaul99]

I think most of us in this thread agree that SELFWorker and WORLDWorker are clear enough terms to continue with the discussion. Anyone who still wants to use Dark/Lightworker can do that if they want, but I"ll just translate and use SELFWorker/WORLDWorker in my mind.

Having said that, I will now throw something else out in support of my theory that "the middle path" is the path towards enlightenment, not polarization. In other words, I believe that we must embrace both SELF Love and WORLD Love in order to reach true love.

I want to now draw your attention to Steve's values for his Pavlina company to illustrate a point. Now, granted, I don't know the true intentions Steve had while writing this, but I will use his detailed descriptions as a hint towards what his intentions were. Take a look at my take on his company values. Remember that he's defining a corporate entity's values, so a corporate entity is just like an individual except that it can have many employees instead of just one body. So as a corporation, everyone within the corporation, all the employees are SELF. It's like cells in a body. All of the corporation's "customers" are WORLD. So within that context take a look at this:

Intelligence - consciousness, awareness, knowledge, accuracy, clarity, depth, wisdom. Pavlina makes conscious, strategic choices in order to provide tremendous value to the people it serves. It builds a staff of smart, self-aware people in order to leverage their combined intelligence, talents, and skills to serve the highest good of all.

Notice that "Intelligence" is #1 on the values list, above all others. Intelligence is the domain of the ego, since true spirit already has infinite intelligence. To me, this implies that the #1 thing that's important to the company is the attainment of intelligence and then the sharing of it with the public. Nothing wrong with that. I just wanted to point out that on the level of consciousness, this is closer to REASON than LOVE. Love doesn't come into the values until #3 spot.

Contribution - service, value, making a difference, impact, creativity. This is an outlet for creative people to make a positive difference in the world, not a hive of unconscious worker drones. Helping people comes first, and generating income is important to the degree it can increase our capacity to serve. Provide outstanding value so efficiently that people question how we can possibly be making money.

This to me still has some SELFWorker intention behind it. WORLDWorker's wouldn't even mention generating income, they would just trust that it will come anyways just like we trust the sun will rise tomorrow. I'm not saying WORLDWorker's wouldn't accept income (WORLDWorker syndrome), I'm just saying it wouldn't even enter their minds.

To me, this shows that there is a SELFWorker flavor to this company.

Unconditional love - compassion, empathy, brotherhood, caring, friendship. This is a love-polarized business, staffed by people who genuinely care about each other, the people they serve, and the world at large. No matter how big the business becomes, we treat people like real human beings, not numbers or dollar signs. We give because we’ve made a conscious decision to do so, not because it is forced upon us.

In our definitions, "love polarized" doesn't mean anything. It simply means you're moving up the LOC scale. We would have to know whether it's SELF Love or WORLD Love polarized. Reading it again, it seems BOTH. The staff care about eachother, and the world. I see both SELF/WORLD love here. Further evidence towards my theory of balancing them out.

Honor - honesty, integrity, fairness, courage. We muster the courage to do what is right, especially when it isn’t easy, popular, or profitable. Honest mistakes can be readily forgiven, but intentional dishonesty, deception, and cowardice have no place here. It’s OK to be human, but it’s not OK to hide from our humanity.

This is another way of saying "We will not go in the direction of fear" in my opinion.

Effectiveness - success, competency, efficiency, order, resourcefulness. To maximize our service, we must constantly strive to be more disciplined, organized, skillful, and productive. We push ourselves to continually develop our talents and raise our standards of personal excellence, more than anyone else would reasonably expect of us. We must strive to provide value that is received and integrated, not merely consumed and forgotten.

Transaltion: To be good WORLDWorkers, we must first be good SELFWorkers.
Further evidence to support my claim of balance.

Joy - passion, spirit, fun, humor, fulfillment. Work must be fun and fulfilling. We balance the intensity of our mission with light-hearted playfulness and a relaxed work environment. A paycheck, even a substantial one, is the least of our rewards. We must become the change we want to see in the world.

What if helping the world totally and completely involved non-fun? No go? Then at least partly the business is SELFWorker polarized. Further down "we must become the change we want to see in the world." is like basically the MANTRA of a SELFWorker. Doesn't get any more clear then that.

Prosperity - growth, improvement, expansion, abundance. To help other people create abundance, we must embrace it ourselves. This business deserves to grow, since that will increase its capacity to serve more people. If we keep our hearts and minds focused on giving, we will never know scarcity.

"This business deserves to grow" <--- SELFWorker talking... "since that will increase its capacity to serve more people" <---- Justification, or more acurately just pointing out the fact that when we HELP OURSELVES, we actually HELP THE WORLD.

From my perspective I see Steve's Values for his business riddled with WORLDWorker and SELFWorker intentions. They are both intermixed in a perfect balance that will help to form a company that will be successful.

Perhaps the whole point of this polarization thing, from the get go can be summarized in this sentence from his Unconditional Love value: "This is a love-polarized business". Which to me signifies only one thing. It signifies that Steve is POLARIZING his ascention up the Levels of Consciousness scale in one direction, and one direction only: "LOVE". He isn't picking SELF Love or WORLD Love, he's picking BOTH.

Perhaps this whole time, the thing he's been wanting to intellectually explain from his inner self was that it was time to make a decision to start going UP the LOC scale once and for all and stick to it, instead of waffling and going back and forth between FEAR and LOVE like most of us do. Not only that, it's not just good enough to do it in one area of your life, he wants to do it in ALL the areas of his life, whether that be writing articles or dealing with his kids, or dealing with a service provider who's acting stupid.

If that's the case, the two "flaws" that I see in Steve's whole Polarity theory are:
(1) Not realizing that SELFLove and WORLDLove are both needed, and do not need to be exclusive, but rather they should be combined.
(2) FEAR polarization does NOT lead to enlightenment. It moves you down the consciousness scale towards the level of 1 which I think is the consciousness level of a bacteria if I remember correctly. Unless the next level of consciousness from 1 down is 0 and 0 equals enlightenment because you become so simple that your ego disappears or something, in which case Steve is correct. That would mean that something with the consciousness level of 0 = enlightened. Would a rock be consciousness level 0? Are rocks enlightened?

[Savage]

Selfworkers and worldworkers? Oy vey. Where's the sex appeal?

Perhaps we should refer to lucid dreamers as napworkers.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by impaul99

(1) Not realizing that SELFLove and WORLDLove are both needed, and do not need to be exclusive, but rather they should be combined.
(2) FEAR polarization does NOT lead to enlightenment. It moves you down the consciousness scale towards the level of 1 which I think is the consciousness level of a bacteria if I remember correctly. Unless the next level of consciousness from 1 down is 0 and 0 equals enlightenment because you become so simple that your ego disappears or something, in which case Steve is correct. That would mean that something with the consciousness level of 0 = enlightened. Would a rock be consciousness level 0? Are rocks enlightened?

You've changed the definitions of the lightworker/darkworker terms enough to alter the concept of polarity to something it isn't, so conceptually you're headed down a very different path than the polarity topic I was originally writing about. Given your own terminology, you may be right though.

[wolfgang]

The definitions of lightworker/darkworker so far have been changed by you as well, Steve.

It was first inflow/outflow - then fear/love - then service to others/service to self - then “Thou art God. I love you. I honor your divinity.”/“I am God. I love me. I honor my divinity.” - then creative out-breath of God/powerful in-breath of God. Or best for the individual/good for the whole planet. It has also been Sith/Jedi and Jesus/some atrocious dictator.

We are, or I am, trying to grasp the powerfulness of your idea. You, also have said the words can only point. I think the stuggle has been to fit a fear based darkworker as being able to actually be efficeint and produce enlightened results that end up just he same as being totally love based. So then, yes we (or I) wanted to think fear based was just an approximation - that it really love of self (which is kind of like service to self).

So how come self love/world love doesn't also point to what your idea is?

[Theo77]

I have to agree with Steve.

Steve,
If you are still reading this, would you relate this concept somewhat to the difference between "Right hand" and "left hand" esoteric paths?

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

You've changed the definitions of the lightworker/darkworker terms enough to alter the concept of polarity to something it isn't, so conceptually you're headed down a very different path than the polarity topic I was originally writing about. Given your own terminology, you may be right though.

Could you clarify how my definitions altered the concept of polarity to something it isn't? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just thinking that perhaps if I understand what you meant by your terms in contrast to mine I'll perhaps finally grasp what you meant.

As you can see by reading this thread, I'm not alone in my "mis"understanding.

Thanks!

[ethereal]

I would also like answers/comments to my posts in the DW, LW, and LOC thread. Thanks!

[ericabiz]

Hi Paul,

You asked about defining terms for lightworker/darkworker/etc. Julia suggests simply "negative polarity" and "positive polarity", based on the -10 to 10 scale, where people who are not polarized are 0.

To explain further what being polarized really means, you have to understand how people set goals. The following is based on my experience reading other people and understanding the fundamental differences between negatively-polarized and positively-polarized people.

Every person in this world carries around a statement or picture in their heart that encompasses their main life goal. Normally when I read people I visualize it as a picture and then transform that into a statement that makes sense for them. It's usually quite simple. For instance, mine is "I want to help other people." This defines most of the interactions in my life, most of the goals I set, and most of what really makes me happy. (The key here is if that person is working in harmony with this goal, which I call their "heart goal", they are happy.) The guy I am dating right now has a heart goal of "I want to be loved." The picture in his heart that he carries along with this is his family loving him. My picture is me helping other people become enlightened. When I tell people the picture I see, along with my translation of their heart goal, they get it on a really fundamental level. The two goals above align significantly with positive polarization.

On the other hand, I did date recently a guy who was negatively polarized. His heart goal took me completely by surprise! The picture I saw was him standing on top of a mountain, by himself, proudly looking around and surveying the land, and knowing that he had climbed it all by himself. But there was no one else there, and that was what shocked me most, because most people's heart goals have other people in them. I explained this to him and he nodded, saying "I don't need anyone else." I said, "Isn't it lonely at the top of your mountain?" and he said "No, I'm happy." And oddly enough, he was. That's how negative polarization works. It is defined as being interlinked with a heart goal that doesn't need or want anyone else in the picture. If people are there -- even if you're married -- you're using those people to draw energy toward you and help you out, not because you particularly need to help them. It's not in and of itself "evil", because you aren't trying to hurt them. You just use them for what you need, and the people in your life get that, and are okay with it.

This negative-polarized person that I described is right now starting a business that will help other businesses become more environmentally friendly. I wish him the best, because he will help a lot of businesses and the environment if his business succeeds. Why would he help other businesses become more environmentally friendly? "Simple," he told me. "It'll make me rich!" He knows that being environmentally friendly is very "in" right now, and he's going to start a business to capitalize on that wave.

And that's how negatively-polarized people view the world.

So you want to polarize? Set goals that are bigger than yourself, and work to achieve them, and by necessity, you will polarize. Yep, it's that simple. The act of setting goals in and of itself will not cause you to polarize, but if you want to achieve those goals, you must polarize. No polarization is "good" or "bad" as long as you don't exploit yourself (lightworker syndrome) or exploit others (darkworker syndrome.)

Examples of specific goals that will force you to polarize to achieve them can be found in my post Polarity and goal achievement.

Hope this helps.
-Erica

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by SlashChick

This negative-polarized person that I described is right now starting a business that will help other businesses become more environmentally friendly. I wish him the best, because he will help a lot of businesses and the environment if his business succeeds. Why would he help other businesses become more environmentally friendly? "Simple," he told me. "It'll make me rich!" He knows that being environmentally friendly is very "in" right now, and he's going to start a business to capitalize on that wave.

So, in other words, if his company succeeds he will (1) help himself get rich, and (2) help the environment tremendously.

If that's the case, he would be what I would call BALANCED between SELFWorker and WORLDWorker. Maybe not 50/50, but even still he is doing both. This is yet another example of proof that a BALANCED approach is best, in my books.

I wouldn't call him a polarized SELFWorker (negative polarized as you call it), I would call him balanced.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by impaul99

So, in other words, if his company succeeds he will (1) help himself get rich, and (2) help the environment tremendously.

If that's the case, he would be what I would call BALANCED between SELFWorker and WORLDWorker. Maybe not 50/50, but even still he is doing both. This is yet another example of proof that a BALANCED approach is best, in my books.

I wouldn't call him a polarized SELFWorker (negative polarized as you call it), I would call him balanced.

You're looking at the end results instead of his motivations though.

[Theo77]

Originally Posted by impaul99

So, in other words, if his company succeeds he will (1) help himself get rich, and (2) help the environment tremendously.

If that's the case, he would be what I would call BALANCED between SELFWorker and WORLDWorker. Maybe not 50/50, but even still he is doing both. This is yet another example of proof that a BALANCED approach is best, in my books.

I wouldn't call him a polarized SELFWorker (negative polarized as you call it), I would call him balanced.

Paul,

maybe look at it this way:

The Universe/God is balancing the result of his lifes work after he achieves his goals, not himself. If he started out totally blanced he would never get there.

[Theo77]

looks like Dan beat me.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by SlashChick

Hi Paul,
So you want to polarize? Set goals that are bigger than yourself, and work to achieve them, and by necessity, you will polarize. Yep, it's that simple. The act of setting goals in and of itself will not cause you to polarize, but if you want to achieve those goals, you must polarize. No polarization is "good" or "bad" as long as you don't exploit yourself (lightworker syndrome) or exploit others (darkworker syndrome.)

Hope this helps.
-Erica

That's a great way to look at it Erica. I completely agree.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Theo77

looks like Dan beat me.

Nah, we said two different things, your point is definitely valid. To get ahead as a darkworker, you have to help others.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

You're looking at the end results instead of his motivations though.

Gah...I knew someone was going to say that as soon as clicked "Submit Reply". I should have clarified.

What I mean is that he starts of with an intention: "I wan to be rich." He then goes "Hmmm...how can I be rich? I know, I'll start a business! But what kind?"

To figure that out, he takes off his SELFWorker hat, and puts on his WORLDWorker hat. He then goes "Environment! I'll help people solve environmental issues!"

He then takes off both hats and logically tries to figure out how can he put the 2 of them together, like "HOW do I make money solving Environmental issues?"

So by the time he actually starts to set goals, build a business plan, take action etc. (before any results are felt) he is already acting as BOTH SELFWorker and WORLDWorker. Maybe it's not 50/50, maybe it's 75/25 etc.

In fact, the whole concept of tithing is to take 10% of your income and give it away, without any expectation of getting anything back.

THis would be like doing SELFWorking 90% and WORLDWorking 10%.

Still a mixture of both energies.

[starlet]

Originally Posted by impaul99

In fact, the whole concept of tithing is to take 10% of your income and give it away, without any expectation of getting anything back.

Really? I thought people tithed to get more back? Giving away to show the Universe you trust that it will return tenfold?

[Holoscientist]

I am increasingly confused about polarization. Accoring to Steve's definitions as I understand them, dictators (past and present, take your pick) can be categorized as "especially powerful Darkworkers". But clearly (to me, at least!) they are not heading toward enlightenment as their power increases, because their ultimate aim is destruction rather than creation (of others, and ultimately of themselves). It seems to me that LoA-related discussion in these forums concentrates on creation alone, but some simply seek to destroy the good rather than to create something for self-gain.

This can be resolved by suggesting that such dictators are in fact existing at a low level of consciousness. But this doesn't explain their incredible ability to influence the world, which by Steve's definitions requires a high level of consciousness.

So my question so Steve & all is: If someone is very powerfully destructive is he at a high level of consciousness or simply stuck extremely intensely at a low level of consciounsess? Or: Aren't at least some powerful people truly destructive -- so afraid of life itself that they must deny it to others?

Here's a recent post that shares the same concern, suggesting that it might be morally wrong to polarize as a darkworker (because of all the evil one must commit while on the way to the supposed summit where good and evil merge), and not just an equally laudable alternative.

[starlet]

I am confused too...my main goal in life is something that I WANT, so that would automatically make me a darkworker...but there is something about polorizing with darkworking that makes me feel...not right.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by starlet

I am confused too...my main goal in life is something that I WANT, so that would automatically make me a darkworker...but there is something about polorizing with darkworking that makes me feel...not right.

Yup, that's why I see a flaw in Steve's definitions. According to his definitions I see no fricken way a Darkworker could become enlightened because all they're doing is living in fear, more and more.

According to the NEW definition we're describing here which is SELFWorker, instead of darkworker, I can see that the path of enlightenment can be achieved because it's simply SELF Love.

however, I still don't think polarizing SELFWorker is the ideal fastest way towards enlightenment. I think a balanced path would work better.

[OnlyOneLife]

Yea, I had INTENSE resistance when I thought "I might be a darkworker" because I associate fear and dark with evil. But I am a SELFworker...

[Theo77]

Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro are two dictators that are well loved.

Lots of dictators are very popular with their subjects.

[starlet]

Thus my continued confusion to all this. *smacks head on keyboard* I want my dream job --> requires inflow of energy = darkworker.

But what about another one of my goals, which is helping foster kids who just turned 18 and are kicked out of the system find jobs? Helping these kids --> requires outflow of energy = lightworker.

I'm so confused! Its like learning Calculus all over again!!!

OK, that's it! In my subjective reality there is no such thing as polarization! I decide here and now it does not exist!

[Kingston]

Originally Posted by starlet

OK, that's it! In my subjective reality there is no such thing as polarization! I decide here and now it does not exist!

Ok. SR is about explaining the law of attraction. And we just learned that intentions need a strong energy current to manifest; inflow or outflow. So your intention of denying polarization either is very strong, and than it is not there, or either weak, and then that intention does not manifest!

Checkmate. The above is a prove that polarity exists. It is in Steves articles. If you don't believe Steve, thats fine. But that would mean lowering your consciousness, and than you are worse of. Remember that all this is highly conscious material, so its good for you!

Take your time. Listen to podcasts. Read the articles again and again, and you will get there. Maybe you will see how your dreamjob will teach you the skill and will give you the contacts to help the kids. Who knows.

But if you want either one of them, you will get there A LOT faster if you polarize!

Good luck!

[starlet]

Originally Posted by Kingston

But if you want either one of them, you will get there A LOT faster if you polarize!

Good luck!

But then again, back to where I started - which way do I choose?! I feel like a hamster in a wheel - spinning and spinning but getting nowhere. Its seems like polarization is life a life or death thing - pick one and you are stuck with it forever. And looking at my goals, exactly half are lightworker and half are dark. So now I'm good and screwed.

[Mr_A]

Originally Posted by impaul99
Essentially one day you realize that trying to "prove people wrong" or having "people prove me wrong" is just your ego talking and you eventually move past that. You still have an opinion, but the best way to describe it is that you no longer argue/debate just for the sake of argueing/debating to make yourself feel better. You become humble because, as a SELFWorker, you realize that proving people wrong is not in your best interest.

Darkworkers or SELFworkers are only concerned about themselves its all about getting themselves to grow. lightworkers or WORLDworker are all about serving others and getting others to grow. Ego is all about yourself and the meaning has a lot of pride and arrogance attached to it. I believe a high level darkworker are able to detach themselves from there pride and ego to see the truth. It’s all about finding a more constructive belief system, not about having “people prove me wrong” or trying to “prove people wrong” that’s just a action towards growth, and all actions are subjective according to the individual.
A true darkworker knows he does not get stronger by making competitors weaker, true darkerworkers know they get strong making their competitors strong. Therefore creating more resistance for them to grow. And the more resistance you push the more growth you get. And the irony is even if you do fail, you learn more from your failures than you do from your successes.
It’s a win win situation
“To a better quality competitor!” “HipHip Hooray”

[seeker5]

I agree to switching from light/dark workers to something better. I like the term selfworker for darkworker much better, although I don't care either way for the lightworker term.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by starlet

Thus my continued confusion to all this. *smacks head on keyboard* I want my dream job --> requires inflow of energy = darkworker.

But what about another one of my goals, which is helping foster kids who just turned 18 and are kicked out of the system find jobs? Helping these kids --> requires outflow of energy = lightworker.

I'm so confused! Its like learning Calculus all over again!!!

OK, that's it! In my subjective reality there is no such thing as polarization! I decide here and now it does not exist!

LOL. Do what I do. DO BOTH. I love how people come to me with a dillemma because they don't know which path they want to take, A or B. And 95% of the time the reason they can't decide is because they haven't considered option C which is to do BOTH.

Why can't you have your dream job and help kids? Do both. EVEN if under whatever interpretation of Polarization they are opposites. I think no matter how you slice it, if I was in your shoes and Steve told me "No, u have to pick one or the other otherwise you're not going to be enlightened." I'd smack him. I don't think he's saying that at all, but I think through the confusion of our misunderstanding of his thoughts we're thinking that's what he's saying.

If that's what he's saying, I disagree 100% and I no longer have to participate in any of these debates.

I think he's trying to articulate something totally different, but I think he's too busy cooking brown rice right now to help us understand.

Actually, I think he's sitting in his room right now, reading all the confusion in the forums laughing his a-s-s off at all of us... you'll see...once he gets bored of watching us debate endlessly in circles, he'll write an article that now tells us Polarization is totally something different.