Darkworker Questions

[peacefulmind]

I have some questions about darkworkers

1. How do darkworkers raise their level of consciousness?

2. Can darkworkers tell the truth all the time. ex: if a darkworker gets in trouble by lets just say stealing and the police officer asks the darkworker if he/she stole what ever it was that was stolen then wouldn't it be in the best interest of the darkworker to lie?

3. My brother is a person who is not that motivated by money or power but everything he does is for personal gain. How would this work? How should he focus on personal growth? Im hopeing that by understanding this myself I can understand where I stand in terms of darkworkers and their quest for power and money

4. Can a darkworker feel connected to all other beings. Since in subjective reality all living beings are apart of me.

I hope someone can help me clear some of this confusion up because I have a good grasp on lightworkers but not so much on darkworkers. I don't want to polarize with all this confusion still in my mind.

-I think I put this in another thread but I realzed that it didn't really go their so I put it in a thread all on it's own

[persephonevii]

1. How do darkworkers raise their level of consciousness?

I assume the same way as Lightworkers, by gaining self-awareness and personal growth. Of course, I have also heard that hanging around the presence of a highly conscious person can bring up the consciousness of the other person.

2. Can darkworkers tell the truth all the time. ex: if a darkworker gets in trouble by lets just say stealing and the police officer asks the darkworker if he/she stole what ever it was that was stolen then wouldn't it be in the best interest of the darkworker to lie?

Well, I guess they would lie because if they told the truth, they'd most definitely end up not where they want to be- in jail and that would not do them personally any good. That's why the darkworker path can be vilified because it can go against the virtues of society. Of course, it has been stated that good and evil do not exist, thus what a person perceives as evil is what personally disgusts/angers/generally elicits a negative response from them. So the darkworker might steal a diamond for their own personal use, and the person owning the diamond views the robbery and subsequent lying as bad because, that is HIS diamond and that evil little darkworker better take his grotty hands off his precious rock. Now anyone beyond the diamond owner in our society would view this as bad too because that's:

A) how they've been raised- a society that values the Lightwork path (generosity, love, kindness, all that love stuff)
B) they imagine that happening to them and it naturally elicits anger/fear/etc. from them- this can go back to item A. When you were young and did something 'bad', your parental figure would ask 'how would you feel if I did that to you?'

3. My brother is a person who is not that motivated by money or power but everything he does is for personal gain. How would this work? How should he focus on personal growth? Im hopeing that by understanding this myself I can understand where I stand in terms of darkworkers and their quest for power and money

Your brother does what he does to gain what he personally values. It does not have to be money or power. Can be sex, popularity, etc. anything he feels would serve himself best. On his growth, check the answer for your question 1. About darkworkers in general, I once read that if you stay out of their way then they will stay out of your way, but get in their way and they will mow you over. Sounds selfish and cruel, but only because you are the one getting stomped on.

4. Can a darkworker feel connected to all other beings. Since in subjective reality all living beings are apart of me.

Well, ultimately a darkworker becomes a god unto him/herself. In subjective reality, you are everything, everything is you. Therefore whether you are a Lightworker who merges with God or a Darkworker who becomes God, you are still connected or just everything. I think a Darkworker does feel a connection to other beings, but perhaps not in the way a Lightworker would. Now that question was difficult for me to answer, because I could feel the answer just not able verbalize it well. Hope you got that.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on your questions. Remember my thoughts, so check out other people's opinions too. Plus I myself am dealing with the idea of the darkworker, their path, how society reacts to them and examples of Darkworkers; usually fictional villains who always end up dead/defeated. It sometimes seems to be a surprisingly tough path, though still alluring.

[peacefulmind]

Originally Posted by persephonevii

I assume the same way as Lightworkers, by gaining self-awareness and personal growth. Of course, I have also heard that hanging around the presence of a highly conscious person can bring up the consciousness of the other person.



Well, I guess they would lie because if they told the truth, they'd most definitely end up not where they want to be- in jail and that would not do them personally any good. That's why the darkworker path can be vilified because it can go against the virtues of society. Of course, it has been stated that good and evil do not exist, thus what a person perceives as evil is what personally disgusts/angers/generally elicits a negative response from them. So the darkworker might steal a diamond for their own personal use, and the person owning the diamond views the robbery and subsequent lying as bad because, that is HIS diamond and that evil little darkworker better take his grotty hands off his precious rock. Now anyone beyond the diamond owner in our society would view this as bad too because that's:

A) how they've been raised- a society that values the Lightwork path (generosity, love, kindness, all that love stuff)
B) they imagine that happening to them and it naturally elicits anger/fear/etc. from them- this can go back to item A. When you were young and did something 'bad', your parental figure would ask 'how would you feel if I did that to you?'



Your brother does what he does to gain what he personally values. It does not have to be money or power. Can be sex, popularity, etc. anything he feels would serve himself best. On his growth, check the answer for your question 1. About darkworkers in general, I once read that if you stay out of their way then they will stay out of your way, but get in their way and they will mow you over. Sounds selfish and cruel, but only because you are the one getting stomped on.



Well, ultimately a darkworker becomes a god unto him/herself. In subjective reality, you are everything, everything is you. Therefore whether you are a Lightworker who merges with God or a Darkworker who becomes God, you are still connected or just everything. I think a Darkworker does feel a connection to other beings, but perhaps not in the way a Lightworker would. Now that question was difficult for me to answer, because I could feel the answer just not able verbalize it well. Hope you got that.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on your questions. Remember my thoughts, so check out other people's opinions too. Plus I myself am dealing with the idea of the darkworker, their path, how society reacts to them and examples of Darkworkers; usually fictional villains who always end up dead/defeated. It sometimes seems to be a surprisingly tough path, though still alluring.

Thanks a lot for that it cleared up a lot of things for me concerning the dark path. I agree that the darkworker path is tough but very alluring and same goes for the lightworker path but I think it would be harder for a darkworker to come to terms with himself or herself because of societies pressure to gravitate to the lightworker side. I am not entirely sure yet which side I am going to go but I'm guessing I will have chosen a side in the next month.

I WOULD STILL LIKE SOME OTHER PEOPLE’S OPINIONS ON THESE QUESTIONS SO KEEP IT COMING.

[peacefulmind]

You know it’s interesting that the more I talk about darkworkers, lightworkers, polarization and subjective reality the better and better my understanding of it becomes has anyone else felt this to?

[persephonevii]

Yes, I have. Actually discussing those questions of yours in my mind, things started to make sense. I guess I had all the information, it was just jumbled in my mind. Placing it in coherent writing helps a lot.

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by peacefulmind

I have some questions about darkworkers

1. How do darkworkers raise their level of consciousness?

Temet Noste.

Originally Posted by peacefulmind

2. Can darkworkers tell the truth all the time. ex: if a darkworker gets in trouble by lets just say stealing and the police officer asks the darkworker if he/she stole what ever it was that was stolen then wouldn't it be in the best interest of the darkworker to lie?

Darkworkers can percieve a strategic advantage by lying, or by not. The Enron failures lied....not well enough....you tell me? ;-)

Originally Posted by peacefulmind

3. My brother is a person who is not that motivated by money or power but everything he does is for personal gain. How would this work? How should he focus on personal growth? Im hopeing that by understanding this myself I can understand where I stand in terms of darkworkers and their quest for power and money

His fear will direct him to areas of growth, like everyone else. He grows by learning about, knowing, and loving himself -- changing to get what he wants.

Originally Posted by peacefulmind

4. Can a darkworker feel connected to all other beings. Since in subjective reality all living beings are apart of me.

Sure, but unlike lightworkers, we can't be fully non-dual. This is why lightworkers tend to (not Steve here) say we can only go so far towards Enlightenment. Are they right? I don't know. But, I can take on some non-self identification. After all, if I didn't see parts of myself in others, I couldn't manipulate anyone. If I didn't see how my and others interests are the same, I couldn't have friendship's or alliances.

The dividing line is seeing everything as me. If I love myself perfectly, why would I hurt myself? Why would I interfere with my own desires? Etc, etc. Unless it was for growth, but then, if I am everyone and everything, why grow at all? Some part of me, somewhere, has already achieved everything. Unless I'm interfering with myself doing something that's never been done before, but then by interfering with myself I'm just being stupid, and clearing out the obstruction is just clipping my fingernails....

Originally Posted by peacefulmind

I hope someone can help me clear some of this confusion up because I have a good grasp on lightworkers but not so much on darkworkers. I don't want to polarize with all this confusion still in my mind.

-I think I put this in another thread but I realzed that it didn't really go their so I put it in a thread all on it's own

You have an excellent grasp on darkworkers. All you have to do is think of a time, one time, when you wanted something and just went for it, weren't going to let anything or anyone stop you, and you didn't care about the ethical dilemmas (ramifications, yes, ethics, no).