For Love of Evil (Blog)

[Savage]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Steve Pavlina's blog:

For Love of Evil

[takkaria]

Do I sense some influence from "Stranger In A Strange Land" by Heinlein, here?

[demk]

Why not just surrender and serve whatever is best in the moment to moment situation?

[Savage]

Originally Posted by takkaria

Do I sense some influence from "Stranger In A Strange Land" by Heinlein, here?

10 points for you.

10 more points for whovever can identify the other still-incarnated and well-known fiction writer that co-inspired this article.

[takkaria]

For what it's worth, I'm at least one of the people who emailed you saying you should read that book, so I'm glad you did.

No idea who the other writer is, though.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by demk

Why not just surrender and serve whatever is best in the moment to moment situation?

Polarization is the process by which you come to understand what "best" truly means.

How do we define best? Best for whom? For you personally? For me? For your immediate family? For your comany? For your country? For all human beings? For all life? For consciousness itself?

And best from what positional perspective? From your own perspective? From mine? From that of an impartial observer? From God's?

And best from what time perspective? Best for this moment? For today? For this year? For this lifetime? For a millenium? For all human existence? For eternity?

And best from what state? From a depressed state? From a calm and rational state? From a loving state? From an angry state? From a generous state?

And best from what level of consciousness? From fear? From courage? From neutrality? From reason? From peace? From enlightenment?

And surrender to what? To your present emotional state? To your current impulse? To your parents' expectations? To your boss' demands? To higher reason? To the collective will? To your current conditioning? To your beliefs? To your religion? To God?

Try to define what best really is -- I mean really make a serious effort of it -- and you'll run smack dab into the heart of the issues that polarization deals with.

How can we possibly do what is best until we've defined what best really means?

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by demk

Why not just surrender and serve whatever is best in the moment to moment situation?

I fullheartedly agree. I also contest that it's a "faster" path than pre-selecting one direction only.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Surrender to what? To your present emotional state? To your parents? To your boss? To higher reason? To the collective will? To your current conditioning? To God?

To your inner voice, your soul, your higher spirit which will guide you. It's not just about trusting your intellect, but rather getting comfortable with trusting your true self.

How can we possibly do what is best until we've defined what best really means?

Best, based not on some intellectual model, but best based on whatever fills you up with joy from spirit in that moment. If you trully connect to true self, it's not difficult to know what "best" is in that moment, without even having to engage your intellectual (ego) self.

[confused]

Spider Robinson?

[Savage]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Best, based not on some intellectual model, but best based on whatever fills you up with joy from spirit in that moment. If you trully connect to true self, it's not difficult to know what "best" is in that moment, without even having to engage your intellectual (ego) self.

So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that your definition of "best" is:

• that what serves you personally (whether it serves or doesn't serve anyone else isn't significant as long as it makes YOU feel good)
• from the perspective of your current mental/emotional state (not mine or anyone else's or your own past states)
• in the present moment (other time perspectives aren't as important as right now)
• for the purpose of making you feel more joyful (as compared to other possible states)

Is that correct?

[Savage]

Originally Posted by confused

Spider Robinson?

Nope, fraid not.

[Algernon]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

10 more points for whovever can identify the other still-incarnated and well-known fiction writer that co-inspired this article.

Piers Anthony!

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Algernon

Piers Anthony!

Ding ding!

For Love of Evil is book six of Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality series, which is a story of a man who basically inherits the job of Satan. A fun read for any aspiring darkworker.

[demk]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

How can we possibly do what is best until we've defined what best really means?

We can't define what is best and thats the point of surrender...

Luckily there's an infinite amount of intelligence out there to know what is best for us. We just won't "know" conceptually.

Polarization seems to massively oversimplify life into two categories - is this best for me or everybody else? In every situation we can never know which is best, or what balance of each is best. No matter how we "define" best we will never know what best is. Its like defining God. Minds can't comprehend it.

Polarization seems like an attempt for your intellect to create system of thought to govern your life. Maybe it's time to ask whether your mind has taken you as far as it can take you?

[Seth]

Demk, I really like that explanation. Maybe if Steve transcended the concept of polarization he would jump up to the level of Joy? I agree that polarization is an attempt for your intellect to create a system of thought to govern your life. But to reach Joy, your life must be "fully guided by synchronicity and intuition."

Just for writing that, I'm obviously stuck in Reason or lower.

[Froste]

Steve wrote: Darkworkers, on the other hand, would read the last two paragraphs and say, “Blech! Who cares about that lovey-dovey crap?” For a darkworker the outward expression of love feels phony and insincere. Such a person would say, “We only help other people because it helps us in some way.” A darkworker experiences love very differently than a lightworker.

I disagree, Steve.

Suppose I am embracing the path of enlightened self-interets. Is it necessary that I cannot also love sincerely, savoring the joy and fullfillment it brings to my life? If an outward expression of love feels phony and insincere, then it should be avoided, I'll agree. But if the love is heartfelt and sincere, is that not beneficial, and to be embraced?

I don't think darkworker is synonymous with callousness. Who says enlightened self-interest isn't also open-hearted and loving? I think, for me, it is. At least it feels right, and is at its core: ultimately selfish... but not in a bad way.

Froste

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that your definition of "best" is:[LIST][*]that what serves you personally (whether it serves or doesn't serve anyone else isn't significant as long as it makes YOU feel good)

Nope, I'm not saying whatever serves me personally, I'm saying whatever serves me AND the greater good of all. You are saying to pick ONE or the other, I am saying both.

[*]from the perspective of your current mental/emotional state (not mine or anyone else's or your own past states)

Uhh, I don't quite understand this one. What do you mean from my perspective? EVERYTHING is from my perspective because I create my own subjective reality. Even when I'm thinking of others, I am only thinking of others from MY perspective.

[*]in the present moment (other time perspectives aren't as important as right now)

There IS nothing else but now. Yes there is my PRESENT moment memory of the past and my PRESENT moment guess of the future, but they are both the the NOW. Your subjective reality article states this as well. So, in the sense that there is a memory of the past in my NOW, and there are future hopes of the future in my NOW, yes I do take them into account.

[*]for the purpose of making you feel more joyful (as compared to other possible states)Is that correct?

Sorry, JOY is not the right word. INSPIRED is probably a better word. Whatever my inner spirit, my intuition makes me FEEL is the best thing, as opposed to listening to some intellectually (ego) created plan of what's best for the world.

A simple example for this would be driving down the street in the left lane and then having a deep intuitive feeling to get into the right lane and then 3 seconds later avoiding a major accident that would have left me in a wheelchair or worst. That's listening to your intuition which knows what's best, even if my intellect has absolutely NO REASON to get into the right lane.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by demk

We can't define what is best and thats the point of surrender...

Luckily there's an infinite amount of intelligence out there to know what is best for us. We just won't "know" conceptually.

Polarization seems to massively oversimplify life into two categories - is this best for me or everybody else? In every situation we can never know which is best, or what balance of each is best. No matter how we "define" best we will never know what best is. Its like defining God. Minds can't comprehend it.

Polarization seems like an attempt for your intellect to create system of thought to govern your life. Maybe it's time to ask whether your mind has taken you as far as it can take you?

You're absolutely right. The reason I know this is because I've been working with a spiritual coach on exactly this point. Intellect only takes you so far (Level of Reason). Now comes the time to start trusting your feelings and your spirit Steve, not just your intellect.

I've been making really good progress with my coach over the last 2 months and that's basically what we've been working on - teaching me to really trust my true self, my spirit and my feelings.

On the path towards enlightenment, there comes a time where the intellect has to be left at the door. It doesn't happen overnight, but it is the process of starting to really trust "source" to guide you, even if you don't intellectually understand what's happening yet.

[mattsonn]

Steve, you've become so engrossed with this theory........but remember to tie it in with concrete reality. Always remember to do that.

[shant121]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Intellect only takes you so far (Level of Reason). Now comes the time to start trusting your feelings and your spirit Steve, not just your intellect.

Ok, when we talk of polarization, we are talking of emotions aka feelings and spirit, aren't we?

[Shindra]

Thank you Shant121, that is right on.

Originally Posted by demk

Why not just surrender and serve whatever is best in the moment to moment situation?

Originally Posted by impaul99

To your inner voice, your soul, your higher spirit which will guide you. It's not just about trusting your intellect, but rather getting comfortable with trusting your true self.



Best, based not on some intellectual model, but best based on whatever fills you up with joy from spirit in that moment. If you trully connect to true self, it's not difficult to know what "best" is in that moment, without even having to engage your intellectual (ego) self.

"surrender and serve" sounds like love-polarized. "Joy from spirit" also sounds like a description of a feeling of love.

I've discovered that the feelings of the two polarities tell me more than my intellect. For example, when I first tried imagining myself as darkworker, intellectually, I had darkworker syndrome. So I didn't understand why I felt motivated as darkworker to share my ideas, to tell others how to become good darkworkers, and why I liked seeing power in others. The intellectual understanding came later - they more power they have, the greater I make them, the more they can give to me. Think business partners.

Love-polarized works with inner feelings of gratitude, love, and a kind of humbleness. When someone leaning towards love fills themselves up with those feelings, and act and think in accordance with them and in what makes them stronger, they are being more and more givingly loving, giving to themselves too. Filling themselves up with Spirit and service.

It's true, when you are connected, you don't need to use your intellect - the mind *is* smaller. You naturally feel motivated *and* guided, beyond what your intellect now comprehends, as I gave an example of with my darkworker motivation. Both polarities have this, it just feels different.

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Nope, I'm not saying whatever serves me personally, I'm saying whatever serves me AND the greater good of all. You are saying to pick ONE or the other, I am saying both.

A lightworker does serve both. A darkworker does serve both. A lightworker gives love to self too, and realises their own ego's wellbeing's importance in serving the greatest good of all. A darkworker realises others' importance in achieving what is best for them. It's the primary intentions, the main motivations, behind these acts that are different.

Originally Posted by impaul99

Uhh, I don't quite understand this one. What do you mean from my perspective? EVERYTHING is from my perspective because I create my own subjective reality. Even when I'm thinking of others, I am only thinking of others from MY perspective.

"[*]from the perspective of your current mental/emotional state (not mine or anyone else's or your own past states)"

I think I know what Steve means. Try taking the word perspective out - "from your current emotional state. From your current mental state." perhaps the words 'your current mental/emotional outlook on life' would fit. Your 'perspective' can be intellectually and emotionally different form your perspective during another 'time' - your states change.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Shindra

A lightworker does serve both. A darkworker does serve both. A lightworker gives love to self too, and realises their own ego's wellbeing's importance in serving the greatest good of all. A darkworker realises others' importance in achieving what is best for them. It's the primary intentions, the main motivations, behind these acts that are different.

If it's only a difference in the main motivations then how does a darkworker actually end up realizing other's importance in achieving what's best for the others? I've always thought nothing happens or gets acted on unless the individual is sufficiently motivated to do some sort of action.

If a darkworker does nothing to try to pay attention to others (I understand people are saying darkworkers don't go out of their way to hurt people - but did you know ignoring is acutally worse than some negative attention?) how does a darkworker actually "end up" realizing and doing anything about others?

Yes, Steve is going against some spiritual writings that I've read, Buddhist stuff actually. I read something last night about how being devoted to the self is really the cause of all the suffering on earth right now. There are so many people and countries looking out for their own interests they aren't looking around at what's happening to the world - just trying to get more. OK, tell me they are sick darkworkers and need to realize that others need to be taken care of too - what does that mean? To realize other's is expanding to the lightworker's realm!

To be dedicated to one's self as a path of eventually realizing that it doesn't work that way, sounds more like one starts with being motivated to serve self but eventually finds it's more joyful and less painfull to be able to expand your motivation to include others - that's not shifting some polarity type thing - it's growth from being self centered and non-carring.

[ahimel]

Originally Posted by shant121

Ok, when we talk of polarization, we are talking of emotions aka feelings and spirit, aren't we?

I certainly think so. The entire polarization premise is based on emotions: love and fear. Polarization is about which one will rule your life. Intellect will help you live out your chosen polarization, but the polarization itself is the spiritual path that you choose to take.

[impaul99]

If darkworker = loving self first, and lightworker = loving world first, then where does love/fear come in place?

Why do darkworkers get labeled with being associated with FEAR energy? They simply love themselves FIRST and by learning to love themselves first they learn to love the world. Lightworkers love the world first and by learning to love the world they love themselves.

Why do darkworkers get labeled as acting out of fear? Acting out of self love is not the same as acting out of fear.

I think also if we're going to continue with these discussions we should probably change the labels of Lightworker and Darkworker to Worldworker and Selfworker, because too many people are stuck with the label of "Darkworker" as being evil. Steve's comparison of Darkworker = Evil Emperor from starwars didn't help.

I think what we really need to find is an example of an enlightened selfworker. Someone who worked on improving himself throughout life without worrying about the world, but through his selfworking really helped the world. I think selfworkers need a better "hero" to look at then the Emperor from Star Wars who clearly wasn't enlightened since he got his ass whooped by a rookie lightworker and his disfigured dad.

Not to say they are enlightened, but where do you guys think people like Tony Robbins, Einstein, Da Vinci, Bruce Lee, etc. would fit in?

I think I'm discovering that I am a self love (still love though) oriented person. Even looking at the martial art I take (Bujinkan), our primary teaching above all is "Survive". First survive, then everything else is secondary. This is different from the Samurai we used to fight in the old days who's primary teaching was to uphold the honor of the emperor, so if you dishonoured yourself in battle by getting wounded or something, you would actually commit suicide to protect the honor of the empire. Our teaching is that suicide is dumb, always survive first. Even if you got your leg cut off, your arm cut off and you can find some way to tough it out and survive, then do it.

Worldworking would be more like the Romulan system where if someone is born disabled they just kill them because it's "Better for the world" as the person would just be a "drain on society". Selfworking understands the value of the individual person as infinitely valuable.

Capitalism = selfworking.
Communism = worldworking.

That's my opinion.

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

If it's only a difference in the main motivations then how does a darkworker actually end up realizing other's importance in achieving what's best for the others? I've always thought nothing happens or gets acted on unless the individual is sufficiently motivated to do some sort of action.

If a darkworker does nothing to try to pay attention to others (I understand people are saying darkworkers don't go out of their way to hurt people - but did you know ignoring is acutally worse than some negative attention?) how does a darkworker actually "end up" realizing and doing anything about others?

[...] To realize other's is expanding to the lightworker's realm!

To be dedicated to one's self as a path of eventually realizing that it doesn't work that way, sounds more like one starts with being motivated to serve self but eventually finds it's more joyful and less painfull to be able to expand your motivation to include others - that's not shifting some polarity type thing - it's growth from being self centered and non-carring.

The darkworker realizes others' importance in achieving what's best for the darkworker. You get further up on the shoulders of giants and backs of eagles, than you do stepping on ants, even anthills.

Motivation is needed, correct.

A darkworker does pay attention to others. After all, power is something they have over(when at lower levels) and among and with (on higher levels) others. They need capable people to serve them.
It's not about ignoring others, or not realizing there are others, at all. Instead of serving others in the idea of compassionate oneness, they make others grand because of the importance of them in relation to making themselves enjoy better lives.

They are always ultimately motivated to serve themselves. Where do their stuff come from? From others. Darkworkers can only do so much by themselves.

Just as lightworkers, when they get past their syndrome, realize they have to help themselves in order to be able to help others.

Originally Posted by impaul99

If darkworker = loving self first, and lightworker = loving world first, then where does love/fear come in place?

Why do darkworkers get labeled with being associated with FEAR energy? They simply love themselves FIRST and by learning to love themselves first they learn to love the world. Lightworkers love the world first and by learning to love the world they love themselves.

Why do darkworkers get labeled as acting out of fear? Acting out of self love is not the same as acting out of fear.

The self-love a darkworker experiences feel different. Think arrogance. Try to feel your own egoistical importance.
Then drop that, be calm.
Then try feeling loving compassion and caring for yourself.
The difference is clear.

Also, it is true that darkworkers don't feel afraid, anxious - they've conquered, moved beyond, their fears. They feel unstoppably powerful and undeniably important. They act to express and experience more of that power.
It's more that the darkworkers starting point is one of fear, survival, and power over others. Then they realize others' importance to themselves, and that feeling of being the most important being in the universe extends to others.

A lightworker starts at the feelings of humility and compassion, and move to greater love, also giving this love to themselves, seeing the perfection and beauty in all - again an idea that everybody are intensely valuable.

So it looks the same, the difference in words is subtle, but notice that it *feels very different*, and that what you want to do right now - "create!" / "aquire!" - is different.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Shindra

The darkworker realizes others' importance in achieving what's best for the darkworker. You get further up on the shoulders of giants and backs of eagles, than you do stepping on ants, even anthills.

Motivation is needed, correct.

A darkworker does pay attention to others. After all, power is something they have over(when at lower levels) and among and with (on higher levels) others. They need capable people to serve them.
It's not about ignoring others, or not realizing there are others, at all. Instead of serving others in the idea of compassionate oneness, they make others grand because of the importance of them in relation to making themselves enjoy better lives.

They are always ultimately motivated to serve themselves. Where do their stuff come from? From others. Darkworkers can only do so much by themselves.

Just as lightworkers, when they get past their syndrome, realize they have to help themselves in order to be able to help others.

Once a lightworker realizes that have to help themselves - how does that individual motivate helping themselves if they have (according to Steve) worked more effeciently by being polarized to serving others first? It seems the properly motivated polarized lightworker would have difficulty motivating him/herself to help themselves. I say the lightworker is already able to help themselves as a precondition to being able to help others. Was a darkworker and grew into a lightworker.

If a lightworker must help themselves in order to not be in the syndrome - how does that feel to a lightworker versus a darkworker? What is different about the motivation to give to self of a lightworker trying to avoid being in the syndrome versus just a darkworker's motivation to serve self?

I tend to think starting as a lightworker without knowing how to be motivated to help one's self IS NOT possible. But the converse IS possible - to operate as a darkworker first then grow into or add the lightworker motivations. To be motivated to help one's self is not just to avoid being in the lightworker's sydrome but as something that must be installed or be experienced first before expanding your influence to others.

The self-love a darkworker experiences feel different. Think arrogance. Try to feel your own egoistical importance.
Then drop that, be calm.
Then try feeling loving compassion and caring for yourself.
The difference is clear.

Self-love has this polarity is what you are saying and both polarities, when healthy, have self-love. It is different to be arrogant and egotistical versus loving and caring. But I don't really see being arrogant or egotistical as a form of love - it's a form of putting oneself on a pedistal - of being vane - of attachment to being great.

Also, it is true that darkworkers don't feel afraid, anxious - they've conquered, moved beyond, their fears. They feel unstoppably powerful and undeniably important. They act to express and experience more of that power.
It's more that the darkworkers starting point is one of fear, survival, and power over others. Then they realize others' importance to themselves, and that feeling of being the most important being in the universe extends to others.

When that feeling of being most important extends to others - what happens to the motivation polarity? Does polarity exist at all then?

A lightworker starts at the feelings of humility and compassion, and move to greater love, also giving this love to themselves, seeing the perfection and beauty in all - again an idea that everybody are intensely valuable.

So it looks the same, the difference in words is subtle, but notice that it *feels very different*, and that what you want to do right now - "create!" / "aquire!" - is different.

Again, I'm not sure that one can know how to give to others without first knowing how to give to him/herself. To operate without giving to self would imediatly be a syndrome lightworker.

It shouldn't be so subtle. Create or aquire - is that another way of seeing this polarity?

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Once a lightworker realizes that have to help themselves - how does that individual motivate helping themselves if they have (according to Steve) worked more effeciently by being polarized to serving others first? It seems the properly motivated polarized lightworker would have difficulty motivating him/herself to help themselves. I say the lightworker is already able to help themselves as a precondition to being able to help others. Was a darkworker and grew into a lightworker.

Let's say you're motivated to... give a speech. Then you're deeply motivated to get in a car or/and on a plane to give that speech. Let's say you want to blog for the good of all. Then you're motivated to buy a computer. Let's say you want to put out better content, then you're motivated to have more energy and clearer thinking, improving your health and removing distractions.

Originally Posted by wolfgang

If a lightworker must help themselves in order to not be in the syndrome - how does that feel to a lightworker versus a darkworker? What is different about the motivation to give to self of a lightworker trying to avoid being in the syndrome versus just a darkworker's motivation to serve self?

It's an enthusiastic feeling of working towards giving, creativity, contribution. Increasing capacity for giving. Words are not feelings, so this is next to impossible to say if the words don't resonate within yourself.
For a bit of caricature, let's say... "If I had superpowers, I could save the world!" (having superpowers is obviously a strengthened self)
Dark: "If I had superpowers, I could conquer the world!"

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I tend to think starting as a lightworker without knowing how to be motivated to help one's self IS NOT possible. But the converse IS possible - to operate as a darkworker first then grow into or add the lightworker motivations. To be motivated to help one's self is not just to avoid being in the lightworker's sydrome but as something that must be installed or be experienced first before expanding your influence to others.

Even the stupidest beginning lightworker would know to eat.
For a very low light-worker, think of someone who has next to no self-worth. No compassion for their own flaws, no acceptance of themselves. They let people step all over them. Maybe they get in a very abusive relationship. They gradually begin to realize that that isn't right, that's not a good example to set, and they can't help other people get higher up by being a doormat, flat and low.

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Self-love has this polarity is what you are saying and both polarities, when healthy, have self-love. It is different to be arrogant and egotistical versus loving and caring. But I don't really see being arrogant or egotistical as a form of love - it's a form of putting oneself on a pedistal - of being vane - of attachment to being great.

Fine, then don't call it love. That's cool. I also have a tendency to restrict the word 'love' to the lightworker side most of the time. It's just that Steve used it, so we had to clear that up.

Originally Posted by wolfgang

When that feeling of being most important extends to others - what happens to the motivation polarity? Does polarity exist at all then?

it's still the same feeling, and others' importance is seen *directly in relation to self-importance*. Though, I don't know, maybe somewhere high high up on the scale of levels of consciousness, maybe above enlightenment, the two begin to feel the same - some kind of pure passion/enthusiasm.

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Again, I'm not sure that one can know how to give to others without first knowing how to give to him/herself. To operate without giving to self would imediatly be a syndrome lightworker.

Someone on the dark side can have immediate/early/lowconsciousnesslevel syndrome by destroying the world around them. Think of someone full of hate, with inner conflicts of shame and guilt - the other side of polarization to the 'worthless doormat' person. A teenager who shoots everyone at their school, hates life, shoots themselves in an effort to defy life and everybody and get them down and make them feel guilt.
Of course, both worthless and hating are examples of someone who are *leaning to that side* not people who Are polarizED, because someone who is polarized has clarity and is filled with positive emotions. That teenager, while acting with fear, clearly does not recognize their own importance, or even knows to surround themselves with the features of a good, or even comfortable life. That worthless-feeling person clearly is not filled with feelings of compassion and love, and a great motivation to do the best they can to create a great world for all.

Originally Posted by wolfgang

It shouldn't be so subtle.

subtle in words, drastic in basic motivation. The problem is that words are applied to both - for example as we saw with self-love. And a lightworker can also be said to want to aquire, for example artist's tools out of a passion for creative work.

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Create or aquire - is that another way of seeing this polarity?

Well, yea..h. They are thin, simplified examples. Don't get too attached to them.
I mentioned aquire up there. Create, think of someone wanting to 'create a business empire'. That's a different feeling/energy there.

Aquire artist's tools = creativity, giving... unless they're thinking about the social status of being a famous artist, all the money from selling, and the stroking of their ego by the fame and reviews.
Create business empire = Increase power... unless they're lovingly thinking of building a business where people really like to work, a business that sets example for being successful while being enviromentally friendly, and intends to donate the profits to charity.

see what I mean by 'subtle' words... they can all mean different things.

And maybe the business owner only wants a healthy environment because they have to live in it, happy and highly conscious employees because that will make for a better and more powerful business (more power for themselves), and donate to charity to gain better status and/or improve *their* world.
And maybe the artist's fame was not for their ego, but so they could get a positive, loving message out, and the money for helping others.

[wolfgang]

I mentioned aquire up there. Create, think of someone wanting to 'create a business empire'. That's a different feeling/energy there.

Aquire artist's tools = creativity, giving... unless they're thinking about the social status of being a famous artist, all the money from selling, and the stroking of their ego by the fame and reviews.
Create business empire = Increase power... unless they're lovingly thinking of building a business where people really like to work, a business that sets example for being successful while being enviromentally friendly, and intends to donate the profits to charity.

see what I mean by 'subtle' words... they can all mean different things.

And maybe the business owner only wants a healthy environment because they have to live in it, happy and highly conscious employees because that will make for a better and more powerful business (more power for themselves), and donate to charity to gain better status and/or improve *their* world.
And maybe the artist's fame was not for their ego, but so they could get a positive, loving message out, and the money for helping others.

yup - one word out of context is not going to be able to encompass this polarity idea.

Is a darkworker more interested in preserving the ego than a lightworker? Or is the ego preservation for the level of consciousness? If so, how does a darkworker let progress beyond the ego and climb the levels of consciousness?

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Is a darkworker more interested in preserving the ego than a lightworker? Or is the ego preservation for the level of consciousness? If so, how does a darkworker let progress beyond the ego and climb the levels of consciousness?

Steve has said, darks can believe in subjective reality, where your true identity is consciousness. Uhm, think hive-mind
I still use the word 'egoistical' about darks because it's one of the few I know that is connected to only one polarity.
A dark can have more greatness, can be bigger, if they are more than one single ego. As darks become completely free of the syndrome, they realise they live in a kind of symbiosis. When you go further in that, there is unity. You are still 'the most important being in the universe' - you just happen to be the only one a darkworker already has a kind of unity in their body, realizing they are both this and that organ.


Seen Matrix Revolutions, where Agent Smith has duplicated himself?

Neo: "It ends tonight."
One of the Smiths: "I know it does, that's why the rest of me is just gonna enjoy the show, because we already know that I'm the one that beats you."

Smith's not fully polarized(I can see by the anger he sometimes shows, anger is internal resistance), and he still believes in something outside of himself/his selves, but he is very dark, and there is one body of his talking about "the rest of me." It's a pointer in the direction of being more than an ego. He's many egos. Then that can be taken further and be everything. His identity is less localized than a body, it's in several bodies. In between one ego and a completely non-localized identity/consciousness.