How can a Darkworker go from Reason to Love?

[impaul99]

Re-reading Steve's polarization articles for the billionth time I'm now even more confused.

Steve says he decided to polarize Lightworker at the REASON level of consciousness. That makes sense to me because at that level the way to go up to the next level of consciousness is by expressing unconditional LOVE to the world.

As such all I see Steve figuring out is that if he wants to move up the next level of consciousness he needs to express Love on a more and more consistent basis. That makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is the whole Lightworker/Darkworker polarization concept with inflows and outflows and such. I mean, how is a darkworker supposed to go up the levels of consciousness by expressing fear? Wouldn't that send them BACKWARDS down the consciousness ladder?

Like how does a darkworker get from the level of REASON to the level of LOVE or higher by expressing fear?

I don't know. Unless there is a consciousness scale that goes in the opposite direction and reaches the level of enlightenment that I'm missing here I just don't see how anyone following the path of "Darkworker" could ever get past the level of Reason. Can someone point out a darkworker who's gone past the level of Reason on the consciousness scale?

Steve mentions that he used to follow a "Darkworker" path during his earlier years, but I don't see what he did at a high level of consciousness at all. Of course I don't know him personally but I would rate his "earlier years" at the levels of Desire, Anger or perhaps Pride. Today, after years of personal development he's reached the level of Reason and the next step is Love.

[JJH]

In my own studies of consciousness, I've come to believe that ascending the consciousness scale takes one further and further away from the duality of polarization.

I'm totally fine with accepting that I do not agree with Steve on this one concept. I have found that I don't need to subscribe to ALL of someone's views, just because I've found previous ones resourseful in the past.

Evaluate each concept on its own merit.

Jim

[impaul99]

So you, like me, find the whole concept of polarization irrelevant?

[JJH]

I do indeed. I'm certainly open to the possibility that I'm missing something, but that something would have to be pretty major. I'm a pretty thorough reader and grasp concepts quite easily, so I think the trouble for me comes in on a purely philosophical level.

During the last year or so, I've devoted a lot of time to meditation and study of spirituality (not to mention IM and LoA) - to the great benefit of the inner and outer results of my life. And the concept of polarization doesn't gel with the experiences I've had during this time of intense growth.

I'm quite happy with the fact that I feel no need to jump on this "bandwagon."

[impaul99]

That has been my experience as well. I've been having phenomenal success in my life and everything is "flowing". This concept of polarization didn't jive with me and I tried over and over again to grasp it.

In the end, if I don't need it, I don't need it. I was just wondering if I was the only one who felt that way. I've seen others on here who I respect feel the same way, PMing me that they don't prescribe to it either, which is cool.

I have no doubt the concept of polarization is helping Steve though, so that's cool for him. Maybe he felt a bit "stuck" before and now he doesn't after what he calls "polarizing".

[javamannen2]

Steve is now basically saying: "It really doesn't matter if you choose lightwork or darkwork. When you get 'aware' enough, the end result will be the same".
To which I say: WTF?!?

There's something very fundamental missing in the darkworker/lightworker theory as presented by Steve.
This theory just talks about energy flow, without any regard for the type of energy flowing. But lightworkers and darkworkers don't work with the same type of energy. Just to have some kind of terminology, let's call it lightflow/darkflow. Lightflow is then Love in both directions, while darkflow is Domination->Fear in one direction and Submission->Power in the other.

They both form complete "circuits" of energy flow, but to say that they are basically the same, or even lead to basically the same end result, is IMHO bulls**t.

Love --------> Gratitude
Gratitude <-------- Love

Domination --------> Fear
Power <-------- Submission

The lightworker gives from his heart. The recipient of the gift of love feels gratitude and is compelled to give back. This starts a cycle of love,giving,recieving,gratitude,love,giving,reciev ing,gratitude,love and so on...

The darkworker seeks to dominate others and projects his power. This generates fear in those he seeks to dominate, and they submit to his will. The darkworker thrives on this fear. It increases his power and ability to dominate. This generates even more fear in his victims and so on. Power->domination->fear->submission->power and so on.

The light circuit is always symmetric, you get love for love. It empowers everybody.
But the dark circuit will always end up asymmetric, since the stronger will always impose his will on the weaker. It empowers the strong and disempowers the weak. Taken to its extreme this will lead to a pyramid of power with 1 ruler at the top of the pyramid and slaves at the bottom.

The cancer cell/body analogy Steve used to show that a highly aware darkworker must act benignly is essentially flawed. A better analogy for highly skilled and conscious darkworking would be that of parasite/host. The parasite doesn't get punished for not sharing with the host. It weakens and controls the host but doesn't kill it (unless it finds a better host). The host suffers, but the parasite thrives. It's a stable system.

Darkworlds and lightworlds are definitely not the same!
The darkworld we will get if the highly "polarized", highly aware darkworkers at the top of the pyramid of (and out of) this world get their will, is a fascist, totalitarian New World Order where the few have total power and control over the many, and get away with it. Actually, we're almost there now. The highly aware darkworkers of an "unpolarized" world will of course display a semblance of moral behavior until they have gained enough power to dominate the rest of the population.

About darkworking being self-love: it's not.
Self-love is love as any other love. Of course you should love yourself, your body, everything about yourself 100% as a lightworker. But a fully "polarized" and aware darkworker doesn't love, period. Not himself nor anyone else. He's not into love, his only game is Power. Power gained from the fear he instills in others.

Power and love are mutually exclusive.
Fear and love are mutually exclusive.

What kind of world do you want to live in? A world of domination / submission or one of love & cooperation?
The choice you make, the path you take, really matters in the larger scheme of things!!! No matter how many times Steve or anyone else tells you that it doesn't!
PLEASE THINK AND FEEL FOR YOURSELVES!

Steve, I agree with most of the stuff you've written, but in this case I think you're either performing misguided lightwork or misleading darkwork. I sincerely hope it's the former. "With great power comes great responsibility".

Peace.

/Adam

[Seth]

I think I found the missing link between levels of consciousness and polarization. I rearranged some of Steve’s writing to illustrate the point:

The level of reason is also a trap. The more you think, the more you realize that the mind alone, no matter how intelligent and knowledgeable you become, cannot provide the context for your life. It can’t provide purpose or meaning. You can think and think and analyze and analyze, but no amount of data or information can tell you why you’re here and what to live for. You start to feel empty and ask questions like, “Is this all there is?” You’ve reached the point where you say, “Wow. I can do all this stuff, and I know I must put it to good use. So what’s the best use of my talents?” To ascend to the level of Love, you must choose your polarization.

You can experience unconditional love by seeing God in others, and adopt a life of service to the greater good. Or you can experience unconditional love by recognizing that you are God, and adopt a life of service to self. You cannot choose both, and you cannot advance to the level of Love without choosing one or the other. If you disagree with this, you are at a lower level of consciousness and don’t understand Love. Or I could be wrong.

I agree Steve has been less than clear on this issue, but it is obviously an integral part of his belief system and he is doing his best to explain it. Please don’t be so quick to throw out the concept because it is difficult to grasp. We’re talking about the level of Love, so there’s a significant communication gap for many of us. What do you guys think of the theory that you must polarize at Reason to get to Love?

[JJH]

Even though Steve has taken the tone of the authority over the past few blog entries (nothing wrong with that, it's just a different style to how he used to write), he is still exploring and developing the ideas of polarization as he goes along. You can see this development reading from the first time he wrote on this topic.

I assume he's honed the concept as he responded to feedback from email and this forum, clarifying for his audience. But it can't be denied that some of his ideas have changed. For example, he initially gave examples that suggested that individual goals align well with a particular polarity. Now, it is only a person that is polarized, not a goal.

I think it's really cool to be witness to a personal-development-guru-in-the-making hone his ideas. But at this stage, I feel that this particular model is far from polished, and until it is out of the prototype stage I'm posting it in the interesting but irrelevant pile. Understand that I have no interest in convincing anyone else of my opinion, or discrediting Steve's concept. It's just not for me at this point.

The path I am walking makes it difficult to put into words my experience of reality, because words are mere signposts to the thing. But what I have experienced is a glimpse of transcendence of duality - away from the polarization of the world of form.

But I would like to say, that most of Steve's other stuff has been totally useful to me and I'll be watching with great interest the development of this idea.

[Steve Pavlina]

For more thoughts on the topic of darkworkers and love, see the latest blog post:
For Love of Evil

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Seth

You can experience unconditional love by seeing God in others, and adopt a life of service to the greater good. Or you can experience unconditional love by recognizing that you are God, and adopt a life of service to self. You cannot choose both, and you cannot advance to the level of Love without choosing one or the other.

Uhm, this is where I disagree. I think to TRULY embrace the path of LOVE we must integrate SELF LOVE and WORLD LOVE into a single love. To say that we have to pick one or the other ONLY otherwise we're not going to go anywhere is completely wrong in my opinion.

I am intuitively sure that the path of integrating complete love of self and the world simultaneously is the only path towards true love. THe path of only self love or only world love is unbalanced and it even further emphasizes the fact that the person is still living under the illusing that HE and the WORLD are not the same thing. Once we realize that WE are the WORLD and the WORLD is US, then there is only one love.

[Seth]

Okay impaul99, I like that better. Back to the drawing board for me.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Uhm, this is where I disagree. I think to TRULY embrace the path of LOVE we must integrate SELF LOVE and WORLD LOVE into a single love. To say that we have to pick one or the other ONLY otherwise we're not going to go anywhere is completely wrong in my opinion.

I am intuitively sure that the path of integrating complete love of self and the world simultaneously is the only path towards true love. THe path of only self love or only world love is unbalanced and it even further emphasizes the fact that the person is still living under the illusing that HE and the WORLD are not the same thing. Once we realize that WE are the WORLD and the WORLD is US, then there is only one love.

Mega dittos!! It also seems like trying to understand polarity makes it harder to realize that self love AND world love is really one love.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by JJH

Understand that I have no interest in convincing anyone else of my opinion, or discrediting Steve's concept. It's just not for me at this point.

The path I am walking makes it difficult to put into words my experience of reality, because words are mere signposts to the thing. But what I have experienced is a glimpse of transcendence of duality - away from the polarization of the world of form.

I admire you style and conviction. I keep getting dragged into thinking polarization is a magic bullet for being more conscious.

I understand you have no interest in convincing anyone else of your opinion, or putting down Steve's ideas - but what exactly about polarization doesn't fit? I am in the boat of not seeing how polarization provides a path to being more conscious. I just don't see it and keep getting wound up that I need to chase this idea. I would rather see a model that shows self interest as a begining and world interest as the target.

Anyway, no need to respond, JJH - just curious of where you are coming from because I'm probably coming from a similar point of view. Although my personal approach is finally getting some expanded awareness while doing Tai Chi - which has ying/yang at the core and allows one to feel the mutual arising nature of duality in the body. Not too sure that it's so much Tai Chi because it's easy to just learn Tai Chi as like dance moves - it could just as well have been other deep mediation practice I suppose.

[JJH]

Hi wolfgang,

I've been reading all the new posts about polarity and light/darkworking, and have been particularly interested in the ones that are trying to clarify it ~ understand it, make sense of it ~ such as yours and impaul99's.

The thing that doesn't fit for me is this: it is not a tool for ascending the scale of consciousness. It is nothing more than a bone for the ego to chew on. Polarization is to be transcended on the path to enlightenment.

Now, what do I know about enlightenment? Nothing. I am far from being enlightened. But I am enjoying more and more (clock) time simply Being.

The more I learn about spirituality (and manifesting, for that matter), the more I see "darkworking" as prolonging attachment to the world of form (perpetuating the mind/ego attempts at control). This was my first thought when reading the first article on polarizing, so I kept my mind open to other possibilites ~ that I was missing something crucial. But I keep returning to the same conclusions. That it goes against what I'm learning (from Tolle, Joseph Campbell, Chopra et al) and experiencing (in meditation).

Since the first blog post, we've learned that both polarities lead to the same place of enlightenment, that at the highest level the two are essentially one. That's where it gets interesting. And for me, where it simply dissolves into semantics, with little practical application.

We're dealing with a moving target with this whole concept. Steve is still honing it, and probably getting a big hand from you guys and the rest of this board. So, the model is changing from blog post to blog post.

I think the most important aspect of this entire "argument" is to truthfully consider what Steve asks, along the lines of: "if you haven't considered both polarities, you haven't - and won't polarize." This forced me to examine what I thought was my opposite tendancy, "darkworking." And I found much of what I do can be put in that category... Then ask, "how does this really effect my ascention up the consciousness scale?" (if that is your aim). And, "how does this really help my mastery of manifesting?" (if that is your aim). This is really the ony beneficial thing to come from this model so far... but the jury is still out on how this improves ones life and the life of the planet.

[Asmoday]

Not all darkworkers crave direct power and fear in others.

Being a darkworker is about wanting what you want, and loving yourself enough to go get it.

Going all the way to "always about power games" is taking the Star Wars thing too far.

Fear is a tool, not a paradigm. Fear indicates paradigm, like the finger pointing at the moon.

For example, for the light or non-polarized: There are lots of darkworkers you have met, never been afraid of, nor do they have power over you.

I know a darkworker who is interested in one thing: Knowledge.

Not...everyone...is afriad of the same things.

Those who persue premptive power are generally afriad of loss of control, so they go for that, if polarized.

My friend (above) is afriad of death.

With me and reincarnation, not an issue so much.

Don't squeeze us into such little boundaries :-) It chaffes.