Go Hunting (Blog)

[Savage]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Steve Pavlina's blog:

Go Hunting

[Weena]

What about farmers who care for their animals before eating them? I have a cousin, a little boy, who lives on a farm. He loves caring for the cows, loves feeding them, named them all, love hanging around when they get vet care or are calving. But he also has no trouble with eating the cows after caring for them. Same goes for all the animals they rear. So he is living up to his values, isn't he? My grandma also is self sufficient, she has her own fruit and vegs garden, her own chickens, her own goats... and milk her own goat, kills her own chickens...

I'm not saying I agree with omnivorous diets (dead stuff doesn't do it for me). But they are examples of people who go through the whole process.

[richardxthripp]

You should visit Foxconn's factories in China to see how your iPad was made, Steve. Apparently they had a lot of suicides recently.

[supertom]

Noticed when i stopped eating meat, animals would not flee when I approached them something they came to me and just sat and looked at me. Its a bit annoying at times when your walking and birds refuse to fly out of the way

[Bradshaw]

Originally Posted by supertom

Noticed when i stopped eating meat, animals would not flee when I approached them something they came to me and just sat and looked at me. Its a bit annoying at times when your walking and birds refuse to fly out of the way

LOL

This happened to me too. Now birds just stay put and don't get out of the way at all.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by richardxthripp

You should visit Foxconn's factories in China to see how your iPad was made, Steve. Apparently they had a lot of suicides recently.

Yup, I tweeted about that months ago.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Bradshaw

LOL

This happened to me too. Now birds just stay put and don't get out of the way at all.

Just ask/tell them to get out of the way.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by richardxthripp

You should visit Foxconn's factories in China to see how your iPad was made, Steve. Apparently they had a lot of suicides recently.

or the 7 Chinese miners that die every day. I wonder what the world would be like if everyone knew where everything came from.

[russianrocket]

I posted in the other thread, but it would be more appropriate here.


I like it. I don't normally agree with some of your ethics/food/environment articles, but I feel this one should resonate with every single person, no matter what their beliefs are.

Tho, preparing an animal for food, is not something just anyone can do. Cut the wrong thing and you contaminate the meat, and you just not only ruined the meat, but wasted the life of the animal. Well, not wasted, as it's life will go back into the ground, but you get the point. Maybe go and see and participate with a professional butcher. Just like you, I know for a fact that animal consumption would drop. And while I hope it doesn't get eliminated, we really don't need to eat as many burgers as we do!

[ssandra]

It sucks to know these things and yet not do anything about them yet.

I know for a fact that I couldn't kill an animal. I get tears in my eyes now whenever I buy meat and see a complete chicken (without features) and the chicken guy cuts of it's head (with scissors yes...).

And yet I still eat meat.

I don't even particular like it. I could do without, except for the fact (or lazy excuse?) that I don't know how to cook healthy vegetarian... I'd also miss out on a lot of meat that I do like, such as Taco's al Pastor.

Something to think about, that's for sure.

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

or the 7 Chinese miners that die every day. I wonder what the world would be like if everyone knew where everything came from.

Guys, people KNOW this stuff already. We KNOW.

No one really actually CARES about people outside their "bubble".

Most "caring" is just lip-service.

Just as humans are bio-wired to be short-sighted on consequences, they're also wired for self-interested sense of "social responsibility".

So, just like visiting the Ipad factory and going Hunting -- people won't do it. And, even if they did do it, they would forget and continue in no time flat, or desensitize.

The sooner ya realise that the majority of people are damn dirty diseased weak pleasure-seeking ape-monkies, the sooner you can start leveraging their ACTUAL nature to your will.

Because when it comes to fair trade practices, global warming, or even ethical food consumption choices -- you're all loosing, and that's why.

[st33med]

Another post about raw/vegan vs omnivore diet? Steve, honestly, I love your exploring nature, but I believe that you've already explored this avenue with a lot of people in multiple blog posts. Not saying this was wrong or right; it's your own blog.

Myself, the health benefits of vegan or vegetarian diet appeals to me. However, I don't feel inspired to do it yet. Forcing people to become 'inspired' via guilt by exploring food factories or hunting is more of a guilt trip for people and it won't stick for a long time because of negative motivation. Positive motivation is more inspiring.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

Guys, people KNOW this stuff already. We KNOW.

No one really actually CARES about people outside their "bubble".

Most "caring" is just lip-service.

Just as humans are bio-wired to be short-sighted on consequences, they're also wired for self-interested sense of "social responsibility".

So, just like visiting the Ipad factory and going Hunting -- people won't do it. And, even if they did do it, they would forget and continue in no time flat, or desensitize.

The sooner ya realise that the majority of people are damn dirty diseased weak pleasure-seeking ape-monkies, the sooner you can start leveraging their ACTUAL nature to your will.

Because when it comes to fair trade practices, global warming, or even ethical food consumption choices -- you're all loosing, and that's why.

Admitting and accepting that as your truth is one path of growth.

Another path is to explore and embrace the caring side.

People have the potential to behave as animals or as highly conscious beings. Both aspects are part of us. Through our interactions, we can choose to draw out one aspect more than another.

We can attempt to control others through the animal side or connect with them through the conscious side.

Which is better depends on how much you enjoy bestiality.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by st33med

Another post about raw/vegan vs omnivore diet? Steve, honestly, I love your exploring nature, but I believe that you've already explored this avenue with a lot of people in multiple blog posts. Not saying this was wrong or right; it's your own blog.

Myself, the health benefits of vegan or vegetarian diet appeals to me. However, I don't feel inspired to do it yet. Forcing people to become 'inspired' via guilt by exploring food factories or hunting is more of a guilt trip for people and it won't stick for a long time because of negative motivation. Positive motivation is more inspiring.

When you've aligned your actions with your values, then perhaps you'll stop feeling the need to keep reading articles on the subject over and over again. I mean really -- it's getting kind of repetitive that you feel drawn to keep reading and re-reading the same ideas. Slow learner perhaps?

On top of that, are you trying to blame me for your guilt or something? Isn't it odd that you would intentionally read an article like this and then complain about its affect on you? It's not like I did a bait-and-switch with the topic or anything. I mean really -- what does your feedback even mean?

Only other explanation I can see is that you're trying to ask for help in making a change, but you aren't ready to ask openly just yet, so your beating around the bush like Ed Norton in Fight Club before asking Brad Pitt if he could crash at his place. If you want help making the change, go ahead and start a thread to that effect. Don't be indirect.

[st33med]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

When you've aligned your actions with your values, then perhaps you'll stop feeling the need to keep reading articles on the subject over and over again. I mean really -- it's getting kind of repetitive that you feel drawn to keep reading and re-reading the same ideas.

Slow learner perhaps?

Nope! Didn't expect Go Hunting link on Facebook to be something about vegan.

I also didn't read the whole thing. I skimmed through it and got the idea of what you were preaching.

[st33med]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Only other explanation I can see is that you're trying to ask for help in making a change, but you aren't ready to ask openly just yet. If you want help making the change, go ahead and start a thread to that effect.

That maybe true. I would honestly love to experiment with being vegan or vegetarian, but I do not have the motivation to do it right now and negative motivation doesn't work on me very well.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by st33med

Nope! Didn't expect Go Hunting link on Facebook to be something about vegan.

I also didn't read the whole thing. I skimmed through it and got the idea of what you were preaching.

Sounds like you missed the point of the article then. Your assumption is erroneous.

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by st33med

Another post about raw/vegan vs omnivore diet? Steve, honestly, I love your exploring nature, but I believe that you've already explored this avenue with a lot of people in multiple blog posts. Not saying this was wrong or right; it's your own blog.

Myself, the health benefits of vegan or vegetarian diet appeals to me. However, I don't feel inspired to do it yet. Forcing people to become 'inspired' via guilt by exploring food factories or hunting is more of a guilt trip for people and it won't stick for a long time because of negative motivation. Positive motivation is more inspiring.

I disagree with everyone who disagrees with me...

[Savage]

Originally Posted by st33med

negative motivation doesn't work on me very well.

Nonsense. I'll bet tweezers and a blowtorch would be quite motivating for you. I'm sure you could scarf down a fruit plate in record time.

And Sandra keeps goading me to explore my inner sadist...

So I think we have a solution here if your only issue is weak motivation.

[emeadow]

Hrmm, a subject I rarely bring up in this forum, I cannot resist.....

I am on the hunting side of the fence. While my husband takes most of the meat we consume, I do on occasion harvest as well. It does not bother me at all to hunt, but I also expect myself to do it as ethically as possible. I would recommend others to hunt for their own food as well, but I do not want them out flinging arrows and bullets unless they 'truly' know what they are doing.

I totally agree that people need to be more conscious of what they are eating, on all fronts, meat or not.

I visit the farm I get my eggs from, I sit with the chickens as they roam about eating bugs and seeds and making chicken noises knowing that my eggs are being produced by happy birds. I get my veggies from a local farm that I have also visited, I like seeing bug bites all over my spinach knowing that my farm is holding to their standards of being organic and 'real'. I think if someone spent days on end preparing and then hunting, hours in the field recovering, and then days in the kitchen processing their own meat for the year it would change the way you look at what is on your plate, it changed me.

We spend time in the woods and on mountains with animals all year long but we hunt them only a few times a year. Animals do not flee, they hang out just the same. I photograph, I watch, I relax and enjoy the experience. I respect all the animals we hunt and apparently they have no problems with us either.

Not ever 'hunter' is truly connected with what they are doing, I would like to think we try and be as conscious as possible in our choices.

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Nonsense. I'll bet tweezers and a blowtorch would be quite motivating for you. I'm sure you could scarf down a fruit plate in record time.

Now, I'm not sure about the blowtorch, but if you're willing to negotiate that down to a candle and tweezers I might be a Vegan after all, after CGW

[Savage]

Originally Posted by ssandra

Now, I'm not sure about the blowtorch, but if you're willing to negotiate that down to a candle and tweezers I might be a Vegan after all, after CGW

What about a bath bomb and some cayenne pepper?

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

What about a bath bomb and some cayenne pepper?

Now I'm curious... what would you do with a bath bomb and cayenne pepper?

[st33med]

On top of that, are you trying to blame me for your guilt or something? Isn't it odd that you would intentionally read an article like this and then complain about its affect on you? It's not like I did a bait-and-switch with the topic or anything. I mean really -- what does your feedback even mean?

My feedback was saying that it did not see the blog post as valuable insight for me. Thank you for sharing, but it doesn't do it for me.

And complaining? I wasn't complaining about the affect on me.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by ssandra

Now I'm curious... what would you do with a bath bomb and cayenne pepper?

Is that your masocuriosity asking?

[st33med]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Nonsense. I'll bet tweezers and a blowtorch would be quite motivating for you. I'm sure you could scarf down a fruit plate in record time.

And Sandra keeps goading me to explore my inner sadist...

So I think we have a solution here if your only issue is weak motivation.

Yes, of course I would eat that plate of fruit!

My main reason for negative motivation as not my primary thing is that once the fear is gone, I'd probably fall back to the same thing or be relying on negative motivation and blaming myself for even desiring meat.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by st33med

And complaining? I wasn't complaining about the affect on me.

Maybe instead of doing that, try eating an apple.

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by st33med

Yes, of course I would eat that plate of fruit!

My main reason for negative motivation as not my primary thing is that once the fear is gone, I'd probably fall back to the same thing or be relying on negative motivation and blaming myself for even desiring meat.

What I'm wondering about is why you see this as negative motivation?

Getting in touch with your integrity and living your life according to your own values (not Steve's) seems positive motivation to me...?

I mean... I'm not blaming you for not being Vegan or not hunting. I'm just wondering where the negativity comes in, in your perception?

[Savage]

Originally Posted by st33med

Yes, of course I would eat that plate of fruit!

My main reason for negative motivation as not my primary thing is that once the fear is gone, I'd probably fall back to the same thing or be relying on negative motivation and blaming myself for even desiring meat.

Then you're in for a very long session.

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Is that your masocuriosity asking?

I'm pretty sure that anything I can come up with is worse then you could ever do... So I guess it is my non-maso side that is curious about this