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Old 03-23-2007, 04:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thanks for clearing it up Steve.

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Yup, instead your job is to teach us to make brown rice

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I have to express my disagreement and point out that anyone who thinks these two paths lead to the same place and thus are equivalent is making a huge mistake.

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They’re really two different sides of the same coin. A darkworker experiences unconditional love by recognizing that s/he is God, adopting a life of service to self. A lightworker learns to see God in others, adopting a life of service to what s/he perceives to be the greater good. Ultimately these two paths lead to the same place.
No they don't! There are always consequences! You might get to the same outwardly position via each path, but they are not equivalent at all. I agree that people are attracted to one side or the other, but not knowing the consequences is not going to help in the end.


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Think of it like this. We human beings are all individual cells in a larger body. The darkworker path is to devote your life to doing what’s best for your own individual cell. The lightworker path is to do what’s best for the whole body.
Each cell is unique and each does its own thing, but there is a global interdependence for sure! The cells which do not serve the whole and serve themselves alone are called cancer cells. They eventually kill the body. Serving self ignoring the interdependence of everything is suicide.

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If a single cell in the body were super intelligent, it wouldn’t matter if it was a lightworker or a darkworker. It would recognize that its own good and the good of the whole body are the same good. It would have the wisdom to make decisions that would improve its own long-term well-being and that of the whole body simultaneously. This cell would serve as a role model for others, such that if every other cell followed its lead, the whole body would thrive.

We individual humans, however, aren’t super intelligent.
Most of nature's systems are indeed "super intelligent" as you called it. There was sustenance of many varieties of species before we started taking over with our civilizations. I really wonder why humans do not share the same intelligence as the rest of nature's other creations. We have seemingly evolved in a way that is very short-term gratification oriented which is very destructive for all. Perhaps Agent Smith was right. Perhaps we are the cancer of this planet.

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The cells which do not serve the whole and serve themselves alone are called cancer cells. They eventually kill the body. Serving self ignoring the interdependence of everything is suicide.
That would be darkworker syndrome.
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Each cell is unique and each does its own thing, but there is a global interdependence for sure! The cells which do not serve the whole and serve themselves alone are called cancer cells. They eventually kill the body. Serving self ignoring the interdependence of everything is suicide.
This is why level of consciousness matters. A low-awareness darkworker will harm others as a matter of course to get ahead (i.e. a cancer cell). A high-awareness darkworker will recognize the long-term futility of harming others and will find more intelligent ways to achieve his/her goals (seeing that being a cancer cell will ultimately result in one's own demise one way or another).

Low-awareness darkworkers will inflict harm on others just as low-awareness lightworkers will inflict harm on themselves. The higher the level of awareness, the more this harm is reduced, and the greater the benefit provided to the entire body.
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Yes indeed so please darkworkers, realize QUICKLY that money, big cars, big houses and ownership of big industries won't make you really happy. it will save the atmosphere from getting more CO2 if you realize it quiclky.
Power will not make you happy either, try to realize that, it will save some people's freedom.
Low level darkworking is bad for the planet and others, especially if you have lots of power (through money for instance) to spread it.

However, low level lightworking can also be really bad. Some example of low level lightworking might come under what is called "idealism" in theory of international relations. Idealists act not for their personnal well being but in the name of a certain ideal. Some example of idealism in international relations :
-Kamikaze bombing and terrorism. Yes, terrorists don't act in the name of their well being but in order to serve what they perceive to be God and its creation.
-The holy war or the war against "the axis of evil"
These are just examples of LOW LEVEL idealism though.

So if you choose the lightworking path, think well before forcing your light into people's life. Rather SHOW the light, and let the people decide for themselves, even if when you show the light, people laugh at you first. (I guess sometime anyway it is necessary to "force" the light but just be careful when you do it ok).

Whatever path you choose, be sure to raise your consciousness.

Anyway, I think that if we realize that there is only One Universal Counsciouness, and we identify with it, we strive to serve this counsciousness (which includes your "avatar") and that is lightworking to me.

I really can't think of being anything else than a "lightworker".

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Steve,

You stated that at the highest level of consciousness the highly polarized light and darkworkers would actually do the exact same thing, although for opposite reasons.

I think this raises the question, is polarization really necessary? It seems like the driving force it actually consciousness, so that if a person raises their consciousness, they will tend towards the same action whether they are light, dark, or somewhere in between.
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"My job isn’t to teach everyone on earth how to tie their shoes, what to eat for breakfast, or how to write a resume."

How to Cook Brown Rice

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"My job isn’t to teach everyone on earth how to tie their shoes, what to eat for breakfast, or how to write a resume."

How to Cook Brown Rice

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Gotta toss out some bait every once in a while.
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Thanks a lot steve this was exactly what I was looking for. I just have one question for you. At what level of consciousness did you decide to polarize?
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I think this raises the question, is polarization really necessary? It seems like the driving force it actually consciousness, so that if a person raises their consciousness, they will tend towards the same action whether they are light, dark, or somewhere in between.
I wouldn't say it's essential to polarize, but the concept can be extremely valuable for anyone who feels they're operating nowhere near their potential. Polarity is a conceptual tool that can dramatically accelerate your progress through the various levels of consciousness.Your choice of polarity provides the very reason to become more conscious and aware. You either do it to improve your personal gain or to improve your service to others.
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Thanks a lot steve this was exactly what I was looking for. I just have one question for you. At what level of consciousness did you decide to polarize?
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This is the best article I have read here, and I have read them all.

Combined with subjective reality, it becomes clear that it does not matter which way one polarizes because in the end everything done affects the whole.

My one question: does love exist for a darkworker? Is it then love of self which in turn is love of the whole which in turn is the same love a lightworker may feel?

Amazing stuff. Congratulations on these incredible insights.

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I believe I am on the verge of polarization. I feel the tug of both sides of the "force" and one side is pulling a bit harder, but I am not sure if I am ready to polarize yet. If I know when you made the decision it would give me some direction. Thanks, this really is a difficult decision I never realized how hard it would be until now.

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I believe I am on the verge of polarization. I feel the tug of both sides of the "force" and one side is pulling a bit harder, but I am not sure if I am ready to polarize yet. If I know when you made the decision it would give me some direction. Thanks, this really is a difficult decision I never realized how hard it would be until now.
Don't you think polarizing is about standing up for who you really are? Now that I realize there is such a thing as Darkworker (earlier I only knew of Lightworkers) things make perfect sense and feel oh so good and comfy. It is all about say YES to who I am. So, who are you?
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It is shocking to realize that if I am truly honest - I am a darkworker on the verge of polarizing. I never knew. All this time I thought I was a lightworker who had not yet found the way, when what I was looking for was polarization that lightworking offered.
If I hadn't met Erin 13 years ago, I'd probably have polarized as a darkworker myself. I was definitely headed in that direction. When I was going through my darkworker syndrome phase in my late teens, I had no qualms about lying, cheating, and stealing to get what I wanted. Of course, that behavior pattern led to an inevitable crash.

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Yes, in the long run that's true. In the short-term, however, the paths will create very different experiences of life. It's like traveling from New York City to Tokyo. You can get there by going either east or west (or even north or south). The end result is the same, but the experiences you'll have along the way will be unique.

I think the best way to answer the polarity question is to ask, "Which experience do I want to have?"

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For a darkworker or a lightworker, love is a feeling of oneness with God/Source. A darkworker connects with the inner power of being God. A lightworker resonates with the outward creativity of being God. So a darkworker feels love by experiencing God's inner power, while a lightworker feels love by experiencing God's outer creation. Both are everpresent aspects of God/Source, and both paths are equally valid.
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Don't you think polarizing is about standing up for who you really are? Now that I realize there is such a thing as Darkworker (earlier I only knew of Lightworkers) things make perfect sense and feel oh so good and comfy. It is all about say YES to who I am. So, who are you?
I know who I am at this moment but for me it is about who I want to be in the future. Both sides have a lot to offer in potential but the thing is trying to figure out what type of potential I want to acquire. If I were to become a darkworker then I would experience power, money, prestige and respect. As a lightworker I will experience unity with all life, strong compassion filed friendships ext. This is a decision I have to stick with for the rest of my life so I can't afford to mess this up.

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For Steve,

This means, as much as you want to believe that darkworking and lightworking are equally good and valid - you do not.
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For a darkworker or a lightworker, love is a feeling of oneness with God/Source. A darkworker connects with the inner power of being God. A lightworker resonates with the outward creativity of being God. So a darkworker feels love by experiencing God's inner power, while a lightworker feels love by experiencing God's outer creation. Both are everpresent aspects of God/Source, and both paths are equally valid.

Alright, That polarized me... I see more value in creating rather than controlling. I hadn't realized it until now, but I feel love when I'm creating, and only neutrality when I'm controlling. I'm more than happy to let any darkworker control what I create, so long as I have a chance to send it off in the right direction.

I've felt the draw of both, as they each lead to the same destination... I just didn't know which path I'd enjoy more.

It is good to know that peace is attainable by both, though, for my own purpose.
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This means, as much as you want to believe that darkworking and lightworking are equally good and valid - you do not.
I think these options are equally valid for anyone. For me personally the lightworker path is my conscious choice. It's not a matter of which one is better than the other. From a subjective perspective, it's simply a choice of which experience I want to have. I don't consider one path good and the other bad.
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Isn't it better to just give to the whole and include yourself in that? Whenever you can give to others you do so and whenever you can give to yourself you do so. There's no difference.

At the lower levels I would see selflessness as being a much better way to propel yourself up the levels of consciousness. Sellfishness is prone to narcissistic delusions and attack against other people when sellfish needs are not met.
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Great article. That answered a lot of the questions that have been going around in my head since you first started the polarity posts.

I have definitely not polarized yet. In my imagination I can see myself going either way. Deep down I sense an attraction to light work. I feel that I will be most fulfilled in my life by devoting myself to serving others. But in a more immediate sense dark work seems more attractive to accomplish my goals. Is this confusion something that will resolve as I experiment more with polarization?
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That article definitely helped to clear things up... And it's funny to see how many people where running around with the whole good vs evil concept, and the "Darkworkers are satan's children"...

In any case, thanks for the information you provided.
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The more articles about polarity I read from Steve, the more I realize the polarity concept does not resonate with me at all. It's going back into duality, in dividing 'us' and 'them'.

I tend to think being successful is about following up, not stopping halfway through the deed, whatever it is. Polarity just seems to me as a way to get yourself motivated to follow up, no matter what obstacle you might encounter.

I find this especially interesting compared to other comments here saying they found these articles the best Steve ever wrote - we are all very different

Anyway, I love to read Steve's blog, it does not matter if not every article reasonates well with me.

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Alright, That polarized me... I see more value in creating rather than controlling. I hadn't realized it until now, but I feel love when I'm creating, and only neutrality when I'm controlling. I'm more than happy to let any darkworker control what I create, so long as I have a chance to send it off in the right direction.
I'm not sure it's a creation vs controlling issue. I'm sure Steve isn't allowing anyone else to control his website.

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That article definitely helped to clear things up... And it's funny to see how many people where running around with the whole good vs evil concept, and the "Darkworkers are satan's children"...
Yeah, I'm glad for the post for that reason too. I want to go and be a darkworker without having to deal with people wrongly accusing me of doing so much wrong to the Earth and all of its people in it and thus becoming Satan himself in a few years.
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This is why level of consciousness matters. A low-awareness darkworker will harm others as a matter of course to get ahead (i.e. a cancer cell). A high-awareness darkworker will recognize the long-term futility of harming others and will find more intelligent ways to achieve his/her goals (seeing that being a cancer cell will ultimately result in one's own demise one way or another).

Low-awareness darkworkers will inflict harm on others just as low-awareness lightworkers will inflict harm on themselves. The higher the level of awareness, the more this harm is reduced, and the greater the benefit provided to the entire body.

The Path of Power is not the Path of Love.

One path leads to unity and transcendence of illusions.

The other leads to separation, to a pyramid of masters and slaves, power and fear, lust and pain.

They are not the same.

Choose wisely.
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I enjoyed reading this entry and I'm still deciding how to polarize. At times I think I'd best fit as a lightworker but sometimes I think being a darkworker would actually serve the world better because I'm helping myself. Usually when I try helping others too much and neglect my own needs I end up not getting the job efficiently..I'm guessing that is what "lightworker syndrome" is being referred as.

So I think I'm going to work with the dark side (cue Imperial March!) of things

I'm going consciouss!
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This was a good thought provoking article for me. It helps me to separate a little bit the political parties (both want the nation to do well, but their polarities are different), but of course most politicians are darkworkers at heart.

Something that occurred to me is that I can see having distinct role-based polarities in my life. For example, in my immediate family, I am more of a lightworker, however at work, I am probably more on the dark side.

I'm wondering if at higher levels of consciousness, where the poles converge, and one is seeing holistically, the polarity becomes less important.

What do you think?
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Old 03-23-2007, 08:58 PM   #30 (permalink)
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For a darkworker or a lightworker, love is a feeling of oneness with God/Source. A darkworker connects with the inner power of being God. A lightworker resonates with the outward creativity of being God. So a darkworker feels love by experiencing God's inner power, while a lightworker feels love by experiencing God's outer creation. Both are everpresent aspects of God/Source, and both paths are equally valid.
To say that a darkworker connects to inner power and the lightworker experiences outer creating implies there is a boundary of some kind.

Why is there a boundary in these ideas of levels of consciousness?

It makes more sense, to me, to see the darkworker as drawing a boundary closer to s/he and a lightworker drawing a boundary to include more and utlimately to be one with all.

If you insist on telling us about the focus being inward/outword you are reinforcing the boundary and not presenting anything that allows for expanding our consciousness or loving intentions.
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