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Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Steve Pavlina's blog: Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness |
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Thanks for clearing it up Steve. I can't help but make a comment here: Quote:
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I have to express my disagreement and point out that anyone who thinks these two paths lead to the same place and thus are equivalent is making a huge mistake. Quote:
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Low-awareness darkworkers will inflict harm on others just as low-awareness lightworkers will inflict harm on themselves. The higher the level of awareness, the more this harm is reduced, and the greater the benefit provided to the entire body. | |
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Yes indeed so please darkworkers, realize QUICKLY that money, big cars, big houses and ownership of big industries won't make you really happy. it will save the atmosphere from getting more CO2 if you realize it quiclky. Power will not make you happy either, try to realize that, it will save some people's freedom. Low level darkworking is bad for the planet and others, especially if you have lots of power (through money for instance) to spread it. However, low level lightworking can also be really bad. Some example of low level lightworking might come under what is called "idealism" in theory of international relations. Idealists act not for their personnal well being but in the name of a certain ideal. Some example of idealism in international relations : -Kamikaze bombing and terrorism. Yes, terrorists don't act in the name of their well being but in order to serve what they perceive to be God and its creation. -The holy war or the war against "the axis of evil" These are just examples of LOW LEVEL idealism though. So if you choose the lightworking path, think well before forcing your light into people's life. Rather SHOW the light, and let the people decide for themselves, even if when you show the light, people laugh at you first. (I guess sometime anyway it is necessary to "force" the light but just be careful when you do it ok). Whatever path you choose, be sure to raise your consciousness. Anyway, I think that if we realize that there is only One Universal Counsciouness, and we identify with it, we strive to serve this counsciousness (which includes your "avatar") and that is lightworking to me. I really can't think of being anything else than a "lightworker". Last edited by theknightwhosaysni-NI; 03-23-2007 at 11:53 PM. |
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Steve, You stated that at the highest level of consciousness the highly polarized light and darkworkers would actually do the exact same thing, although for opposite reasons. I think this raises the question, is polarization really necessary? It seems like the driving force it actually consciousness, so that if a person raises their consciousness, they will tend towards the same action whether they are light, dark, or somewhere in between. |
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"My job isn’t to teach everyone on earth how to tie their shoes, what to eat for breakfast, or how to write a resume." How to Cook Brown Rice *Cough*. |
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This is the best article I have read here, and I have read them all. Combined with subjective reality, it becomes clear that it does not matter which way one polarizes because in the end everything done affects the whole. My one question: does love exist for a darkworker? Is it then love of self which in turn is love of the whole which in turn is the same love a lightworker may feel? Amazing stuff. Congratulations on these incredible insights. Last edited by Michelle; 04-20-2007 at 06:57 AM. |
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| I believe I am on the verge of polarization. I feel the tug of both sides of the "force" and one side is pulling a bit harder, but I am not sure if I am ready to polarize yet. If I know when you made the decision it would give me some direction. Thanks, this really is a difficult decision I never realized how hard it would be until now.
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I think the best way to answer the polarity question is to ask, "Which experience do I want to have?" Quote:
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Alright, That polarized me... I see more value in creating rather than controlling. I hadn't realized it until now, but I feel love when I'm creating, and only neutrality when I'm controlling. I'm more than happy to let any darkworker control what I create, so long as I have a chance to send it off in the right direction. I've felt the draw of both, as they each lead to the same destination... I just didn't know which path I'd enjoy more. It is good to know that peace is attainable by both, though, for my own purpose. | |
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| I think these options are equally valid for anyone. For me personally the lightworker path is my conscious choice. It's not a matter of which one is better than the other. From a subjective perspective, it's simply a choice of which experience I want to have. I don't consider one path good and the other bad.
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Isn't it better to just give to the whole and include yourself in that? Whenever you can give to others you do so and whenever you can give to yourself you do so. There's no difference. At the lower levels I would see selflessness as being a much better way to propel yourself up the levels of consciousness. Sellfishness is prone to narcissistic delusions and attack against other people when sellfish needs are not met. |
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Great article. That answered a lot of the questions that have been going around in my head since you first started the polarity posts. I have definitely not polarized yet. In my imagination I can see myself going either way. Deep down I sense an attraction to light work. I feel that I will be most fulfilled in my life by devoting myself to serving others. But in a more immediate sense dark work seems more attractive to accomplish my goals. Is this confusion something that will resolve as I experiment more with polarization? |
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That article definitely helped to clear things up... And it's funny to see how many people where running around with the whole good vs evil concept, and the "Darkworkers are satan's children"... In any case, thanks for the information you provided. |
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The more articles about polarity I read from Steve, the more I realize the polarity concept does not resonate with me at all. It's going back into duality, in dividing 'us' and 'them'. I tend to think being successful is about following up, not stopping halfway through the deed, whatever it is. Polarity just seems to me as a way to get yourself motivated to follow up, no matter what obstacle you might encounter. I find this especially interesting compared to other comments here saying they found these articles the best Steve ever wrote - we are all very different Anyway, I love to read Steve's blog, it does not matter if not every article reasonates well with me. Thanks for all the stuff! Love You! |
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| Yeah, I'm glad for the post for that reason too. I want to go and be a darkworker without having to deal with people wrongly accusing me of doing so much wrong to the Earth and all of its people in it and thus becoming Satan himself in a few years.
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The Path of Power is not the Path of Love. One path leads to unity and transcendence of illusions. The other leads to separation, to a pyramid of masters and slaves, power and fear, lust and pain. They are not the same. Choose wisely. | |
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| I enjoyed reading this entry and I'm still deciding how to polarize. At times I think I'd best fit as a lightworker but sometimes I think being a darkworker would actually serve the world better because I'm helping myself. Usually when I try helping others too much and neglect my own needs I end up not getting the job efficiently..I'm guessing that is what "lightworker syndrome" is being referred as. So I think I'm going to work with the dark side (cue Imperial March!) of things I'm going consciouss! |
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This was a good thought provoking article for me. It helps me to separate a little bit the political parties (both want the nation to do well, but their polarities are different), but of course most politicians are darkworkers at heart. Something that occurred to me is that I can see having distinct role-based polarities in my life. For example, in my immediate family, I am more of a lightworker, however at work, I am probably more on the dark side. I'm wondering if at higher levels of consciousness, where the poles converge, and one is seeing holistically, the polarity becomes less important. What do you think? |
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Why is there a boundary in these ideas of levels of consciousness? It makes more sense, to me, to see the darkworker as drawing a boundary closer to s/he and a lightworker drawing a boundary to include more and utlimately to be one with all. If you insist on telling us about the focus being inward/outword you are reinforcing the boundary and not presenting anything that allows for expanding our consciousness or loving intentions. | |
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