Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness (Blog)

[Michael Chui]

If you've heard of a highly conscious lightworker, you've heard of a highly conscious darkworker, using Steve's terms.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by peacefulmind

I think you can be highly conscious and a darkworker. It works the same way for a darkworker as it does for a lightworker just the voyage is different. The only thing that stumps me is that I have never heard of an enlightened darkworker, and what would an enlightened darkworker be like or even a darkworker at the level of peace. I have heard of darkworkers at the level of love, and joy though ex: One of my friends who is at the level of joy, as a darkworker, is extremely happy and I mean extreeeeeeemely. He loves himself and everything he is and does. He never stops smiling. He can talk people into doing what ever he wants; all I can do is stand and watch as he gets someone to bend to his will with ease. It’s incredible, once there was this guy who was extremely stubborn in his belief that terrorists were terrible people. Most people believe that even me and my at the level of joy friend. However, my friend talked to this stubborn guy and at the end of their conversation most of the people in the room were convinced that terrorists weren’t so bad . Then the last line that my joy buddy said was that he still thought terrorists were pretty bad. Talk about power. People meet him and they can sense right away the charisma, power and total joy that exuberates out of him in everything that he does.

He's a highly evolved Light-SelfWorker without a lot of Worldworker love. So probably just above (2) in my model which is SELFWorker Syndrome. THe next step for him would be to realize that true happiness and fullfillment comes for him when helping the world, so as he finishes up his totally SELFLOVE centred path, he'll probably very soon start moving away from WORLD FEAR towards WORLD LOVE and become a totally love polarized lightworker (both Self and World).

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by shant121

joy buddy! LOL. yes I know someone like that too! although he is not overflowing with joy, he is always smiling and happy.


It stumps me too

what do you mean by dwork at level of love and level of peace? they are not different things, one follows the other. joy=love=peace=one with God=consciousness. No? Its just love of self (dwork) versus love for others and giving (lwork)

Gwad!! this polarization thing has me consumed!! I am going to read all of Steve's posts again, like Kingston suggested.

I've known quite a few poeple like that. Don't take people's extraverted "face" as an indicator of what's going on inside though. My guess is the person is a SELFWorker Syndrome candidate. Just a guess though.

[starlet]

Originally Posted by shant121

One major difference is that you cannot be highly conscious and a darkworker at the same time.

So...are you implying I'm NOT highly conscious? What other reasons do you have to think I fall under the Steve-Darkworker model?

This is what confuses me, because my Steve's def I am a darkworker (self-love) but I also strongly care about the rest of the world and its happiness as well, but not until I take care of me first. Plus, with LOA, everyone has the capacity to help themselves without outside assistance.

[Theo77]

I think an enlightened darkworker would be a philsopher like Nietzche, or a magickal practitioner like Aleister Crowley. Other examples would be really powerful people involved in secret societies, that conspiracy theorists refer to as "The Illuminati"

I think its hard to find examples because self help Guru's are more light worker oriented, or at least present themselves that way.

Dark workers that have reached really high levels of esoteric mastery are not primarily interested in showing everyone how they did it.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by starlet

So...are you implying I'm NOT highly conscious? What other reasons do you have to think I fall under the Steve-Darkworker model?

This is what confuses me, because my Steve's def I am a darkworker (self-love) but I also strongly care about the rest of the world and its happiness as well, but not until I take care of me first. Plus, with LOA, everyone has the capacity to help themselves without outside assistance.

As you know, under my model you're a "Lightworker".

Even under Steve's model, I would argue that you're a Lightworker, but it's harder to prove since his Model isn't clearly understood by any of us.

You keep thinking that because you care about yourself, it makes you a darkworker. I say that it is when you FEAR yourself that you are a darkworker. Ie. Do you regular thoughts inside your head sound something like: "I hate myself, why did I screw this up again? I need to be tougher! ", " What is the MATTER with me?", "I don't know if I can do this!?", "Why did my parents want me?", "Maybe I should just do the world a favor and off myself." etc.????

If not, I really doubt your a darkworker even under Steve's model. You're still thinking that your SELF Love makes you a darkworker. There's nothing wrong with SELF Love. You're a lightworker in training. You've learned to love yourself to a certain degree and sometimes you love the world too, but your true lightworker power will come when you FULLY love yourself and you FULLY love the world. Until then, you might suffer from slight "Selfworker Syndrome", but that doesn't make you a darkworker.

[ethereal]

Theo, all the examples you named calibrate pretty low, nowhere near enlightened. Nietzche might be in Reason, but that's about as close as you can get (LOC 499 seems to be the limit). The rest seem non-integrous (below LOC 200).

They may have a lot of "power" (force, actually), but that has no bearing on LOC. In fact, it seems to be the case that force corrupts, and absolute force corrupts absolutely

Thanks for keeping up with the thread and answering the questions, Paul

I really want to see Steve either address these points or make another post clarifying what he means. I actually believe he needs to recant certain statements, but maybe I'm just not fully understanding his model. Every day that goes by, more lightworkers are "polarizing" as darkworkers and reaping the consequences -- and the mankind's overall LOC drops with them. Recently it's been calibrated at 203, down from 205, due to the media's disinformation and passing falsehoods for Truth. Any further drops will be absolutely devastating. Any way to contact him about this?

edit: a good idea may be for Steve to find a qualified AK tester to calibrate all his articles/ideas, and/or learn AK-testing himself. He and Erin can easily learn to calibrate, as they both calibrate very high -- over 485 or so, the AK results stabilize and become almost 100% accurate if the question is phrased correctly without any personal bias. I highly recommend him to do so, as the effects on consciousness are non-physical and cannot be seen, and what seems to be accurate on the physical plane can be grossly inaccurate in the Absolute Context of Consciousness.

This should easily show how everything affects LOC, where mistakes are made, where additional areas of growth can be pursued, what is in the highest good for his blog readers/forum members and what isn't, etc. I actually find it amazing that they have not learned to do this yet, with such a handy/useful tool.

[Theo77]

Ethereal,

Are you speaking from the perspective of being enlightened, looking down on Crowley, Nietzche etc?

Its interesting that you don't think anyone polarized to the darkside can become enlightened when once people are enlightened there is no polarization.

[Theo77]

As far as the LOC, it sounds like a lot of people forget its a model that an author mate up.

So really debating about what other people can achive in terms of a model someone else designed, might be pointless.

Pointless for me anyway.

[shant121]

Originally Posted by starlet

So...are you implying I'm NOT highly conscious? What other reasons do you have to think I fall under the Steve-Darkworker model?

you could be: see Steve's model you can be a darkworker AND highly conscious.
In Paul's model the two don't go together.

This is what confuses me, because my Steve's def I am a darkworker (self-love) but I also strongly care about the rest of the world and its happiness as well, but not until I take care of me first.

Maybe this is what Steve means by mixing polarities? Or like Paul said, you could be a lightworker in the making.

Plus, with LOA, everyone has the capacity to help themselves without outside assistance.

With LOA, you will attract the outside assistance that is needed to fulfill your desire. Or you will be directed or hinted to go to the right source for outside assistance. Thats what I understand from Abraham Hicks. They say that when you need to take action, you will be "told" what action to take.

[shant121]

Originally Posted by Theo77

As far as the LOC, it sounds like a lot of people forget its a model that an author mate up.

So really debating about what other people can achive in terms of a model someone else designed, might be pointless.

Pointless for me anyway.

I think the author reached those conclusions from his vast experience with different philosophies, meditation and reading. And obviously after careful thought. If we do not understand it, either
1) we are not reading carefully and not contemplating
2) we are misinterpreting or mixing our old beliefs and getting all confused
3) we have not reached the level of consciousness required to understand and accept the model
4) we are not well read and have limited knowledge (Einstein's "problems cannot be solved at the same level of thinking they were created at")

I strongly believe that Steve has made a BIGG point to help us get into the 1% (u know what 1% i'm talkin about right?), we just need to understand it. Accept it. and incorporate it into our lives.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by ethereal

Theo, all the examples you named calibrate pretty low, nowhere near enlightened. Nietzche might be in Reason, but that's about as close as you can get (LOC 499 seems to be the limit). The rest seem non-integrous (below LOC 200).

They may have a lot of "power" (force, actually), but that has no bearing on LOC. In fact, it seems to be the case that force corrupts, and absolute force corrupts absolutely

Thanks for keeping up with the thread and answering the questions, Paul

I really want to see Steve either address these points or make another post clarifying what he means. I actually believe he needs to recant certain statements, but maybe I'm just not fully understanding his model. Every day that goes by, more lightworkers are "polarizing" as darkworkers and reaping the consequences -- and the mankind's overall LOC drops with them. Recently it's been calibrated at 203, down from 205, due to the media's disinformation and passing falsehoods for Truth. Any further drops will be absolutely devastating. Any way to contact him about this?

edit: a good idea may be for Steve to find a qualified AK tester to calibrate all his articles/ideas, and/or learn AK-testing himself. He and Erin can easily learn to calibrate, as they both calibrate very high -- over 485 or so, the AK results stabilize and become almost 100% accurate if the question is phrased correctly without any personal bias. I highly recommend him to do so, as the effects on consciousness are non-physical and cannot be seen, and what seems to be accurate on the physical plane can be grossly inaccurate in the Absolute Context of Consciousness.

This should easily show how everything affects LOC, where mistakes are made, where additional areas of growth can be pursued, what is in the highest good for his blog readers/forum members and what isn't, etc. I actually find it amazing that they have not learned to do this yet, with such a handy/useful tool.

There are a few people on these forums who are still using the term "Darkworker" to actually mean the path of SELF Love in my model, which is NOT a Darkworker in my books but rather a Lightworker 'in the making'. I am no longer going to try to correct them or try to help them understand the difference between that and what I consider a true "Darkworker" who is actually SELF Fear and WORLD Fear polarized in my model. I've spent almost a month on this topic and my conclusions are in my article on my blog. If anyone wants answer they aren't getting from Steve's articles, maybe mine can shed some light on the subject.

However, I'm sorry but I no longer have time to debate or defend Steve's model, especially since he's given up debating/defending it too, so if people feel that they are "Darkworkers" in Steve's model and it makes sense for them, that's great.

The only advice I'll give to those who are still seeking answers is that NO PATH that has it's roots firmly rooted in FEAR and develops further and deeper FEAR will reach a state of enlightenment. I'm not enlightened, and I don't know all the answers, but that to me is just pure no-brainer common sense. Why anyone would want to DEVELOP fear or SPREAD fear energy is beyond me. It's hard enough trying to overcome the fears we already have, why would anyone want to develop new ones? If you're not afraid of heights, why would you put energy into developing a fear of heights? That's kind of insane in my mind.

I'll conclude with this:
(1) To the lightworkers in training like Starlet and a few others in here: Don't mistake the SELF Love path with the path of the Darkworker. Don't let someone talk you into polarizing in the direction of fear, it doesn't make sense. You can LOVE yourself and create ANYTHING and EVERYTHING your heart desires without having to resort to fear.

(2) To anyone on here that is a true darkworker under my model, meaning SELF FEAR and WORLD FEAR motivated: I love you anyways.

(3) If anyone wants to ask my questions relating polarization after reading my model, you can contact me via my blog. I'll be glad to help out.

(4) To Ethereal: I like your ideas and energy. Lets chat privately some time. I'll be busy for the next short while moving to my new place, but I"ll be back after that. Wouldn't it be cool if all the lightworkers on here united towards one cause that truly changed the world? That'd be awesome.

Thanks everyone helping me get clear on who I am and which way I want to polarize. Much appreciated.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Theo77

As far as the LOC, it sounds like a lot of people forget its a model that an author mate up.

So really debating about what other people can achive in terms of a model someone else designed, might be pointless.

Pointless for me anyway.

Level of consciousness are not someone's model. Maybe that Steve wrote his take on it and many in this forum are absorbing that description.

I wonder if going to sleep is a change in level of consciousness.

I do now it's possible to feel consciousness or one's awareness from a expanded perspective - and feelings are different, they are more temporary- ther really is less suffering and ease/peace.

Also, many authors say that there is oneness - guess it's the monism vien.

Hopefully all my goals also include reaising my consciousness, so undertsanding LOC, or even trying to understand someone else's model, is fruitful for me. Especially when one can find commonality, and see a model fit how one might have already thought or belived.

[shant121]

Originally Posted by impaul99

There are a few people on these forums who are still using the term "Darkworker" to actually mean the path of SELF Love in my model, which is NOT a Darkworker in my books but rather a Lightworker 'in the making'.

Assuming that we are discussing Steve's post in the thread: " Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness (Blog)"........

Steve said in this post: A darkworker experiences unconditional love by recognizing that s/he is God, adopting a life of service to self.

Glad you know which way to polarize, that is most important

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by shant121

Assuming that we are discussing Steve's post in the thread: " Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness (Blog)"........

Steve said in this post: A darkworker experiences unconditional love by recognizing that s/he is God, adopting a life of service to self.

Are all these points what makes up Steve's idea of polarity?: (It's sort of like, guess what I'm talking about with these clues)

1) dark and light both can become enlightened
2) there's a sydrome to both
3) others don't suffer from positive (healthy) dark or light workers
4) polarization is more effective at motivating than not polarizing
5) darkworkers are not becoming lightworkers (not a subset of lightworkers)
6) dark/light polarization is not the same axis as LOC.
7) polarity is a characterization of motivation, not the goal but why you want the end result of the goal
8) big goals respond better to polarization, or even need polarization to come about
9) mixing polarities limits efforts to achive goals

[Sam988]

thats right

[Akashic_Librarian]

God I hope people don't start thinking because I say I am a Darkworker suddenly I am to be patronized and told about the light of God and what not. Glad we nipped that in the bud to be honest.

[starlet]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

God I hope people don't start thinking because I say I am a Darkworker suddenly I am to be patronized and told about the light of God and what not. Glad we nipped that in the bud to be honest.

I have already had that happen when I started telling the religious recruitment groups that hang around the mall that I was Wiccan and wore a pentacle around my neck. You learn to ignore it after a while.

[ahimel]

Originally Posted by impaul99

One question for you. Your description of darkworkers "not trusting", like the contract thing with having "outs" and such all makes sense. Assuming that's the energy of darkworker, do you agree with Steve that darkworkers can attain enlightenment if they pursue that path completely?

I wouldn't presume to speak for a darkworker. I have always been slightly more polarized to helping others than to helping myself. This has caused lightworker syndrome more than once, and since I didn't know what to do about it I ended up slinking back into the non-polarized area. So I wouldn't call myself polarized yet, but that's definitely the direction in which my tendencies lie. Generating and using that power is a skill I have, albeit at a low level.

I'm not a darkworker, and I don't understand them. I mean, I can discuss intellectually, but I don't feel the darkworker power inside me, and can't relate to polarizing in that direction. Therefore, given that I have almost no idea what goes on in their souls, I'm not going to claim to have knowledge about what they can and cannot achieve. It would be like me discussing the pros and cons of social customs in Zimbabwe - since I have absolutely no knowledge of field, it cannot be anything but arrogance for me to pass judgment or reach conclusions about it, and a citizen of Zimbabwe would be fully justified in being angry with me if I tried it.

That being said, I can conceive of a situation where a darkworker could be enlightened. A while back I suggested Richard Rahl from the Sword of Truth series as a more effective example of a fictional darkworker. If this comparison is valid, then I would have to argue that Richard could be enlightened (although I'm not sure that he is now.)

Give me an actual, honest-to-God darkworker -- someone who's actually polarized in that direction and achieved things with that power -- let me talk to this person for a few weeks, get to know them, how they view the world, how they think and feel -- and I'll tell you whether I think they can be enlightened or not. Until that time, I'm not going to impose my opinions on the world and call them facts.

[Michael Chui]

You guys keep forgetting that "Enlightened Darkworker" == "Enlightened Lightworker". There's no distinction, because "Self" == "Others".

[starlet]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

You guys keep forgetting that "Enlightened Darkworker" == "Enlightened Lightworker". There's no distinction, because "Self" == "Others".

I didn't even THINK about that! We are all one, we all come from the same Source.

[shant121]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

You guys keep forgetting that "Enlightened Darkworker" == "Enlightened Lightworker". There's no distinction, because "Self" == "Others".

Wolfgang and Michael sum it up. case rests, guess.

[thestral]

Wow, I just read through this entire thread (taking a break for dinner, then to register for this site ). I just have a question - does one consciously pick a path, or does one's desires pick the path to polarization for them? My life's goal can be achieved using either path.

[ethereal]

We have free will to align with either the ego (darkworker) or the spirit (lightworker). Desiring for your self can be either polarity, depending on the intention. That is why darkworking/lightworking, as Steve defines it, is confusing. I highly recommend reading Paul's article here:

» SelfWorkers, WorldWorkers and Polarizing with Love or Fear > SelfHelpWisdom.com - A Blog Dedicated to Self Improvement and Personal Growth Topics by Paul Piotrowski

You guys keep forgetting that "Enlightened Darkworker" == "Enlightened Lightworker". There's no distinction, because "Self" == "Others".

This argument suffers from lack of correct context, i.e. mixing levels of truth. The statement is true from an enlightened perspective, but not true from an unenlightened perspective. Thus, it cannot be used as justification for anything, and especially not as a justification for darkworking. Self/Others are not One, until you become enlightened. Then you can be a "darkworker" all you want, since darkworking IS lightworking at that level. But until then, darkworking will only drop you further into the ego's domain and lower your LOC, no matter how you justify it.

You CAN get to enlightenment by self-working, which I distinguish from darkworking. Read Paul's article for a thorough explanation of it all

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by thestral

Wow, I just read through this entire thread (taking a break for dinner, then to register for this site ). I just have a question - does one consciously pick a path, or does one's desires pick the path to polarization for them? My life's goal can be achieved using either path.

I think just follow the path that feels best for you. And i will go further to say that its not a free will choice, we are either born with a tendency to fit best as darkworkers or to fit best as lightworkers. Of course, this is based on my experience, so its very subjective, but for me its a truth.

[thestral]

Originally Posted by Sam988

I think just follow the path that feels best for you. And i will go further to say that its not a free will choice, we are either born with a tendency to fit best as darkworkers or to fit best as lightworkers. Of course, this is based on my experience, so its very subjective, but for me its a truth.

That's cool, I wanted to know if I needed to consciously decide. I'll just open myself up and allow myself to fit where I fit best. I think I'm a lightworker, well, I've been told ever since I was young that I am a lightworker, but we'll see

[Bitsy]

I'm so late asking this question...I hope I get a response anyway.

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Goals themselves aren't categorized as "lightworker goals" or "darkworker goals."

The intent behind a goal is what's classified. The energy to carry out a given goal comes from a "lightworker" or "darkworker" based motivation. You are either doing something because it's:

a. Good you you.
b. For the greatest good of all.

Goals themselves are neutral.

This is logical. Can you/someone explain then, why Steve attributed a certain polarity to certain intentions? (From the "Polarity" blog):

"Here are some examples of intentions that align well with outflow (from your consciousness out to the universe):

write a book
build a business
compose a song
draw a picture
throw a party
give a speech
start a blog
And here are some examples of intentions that align well with inflow (from the universe into your consciousness):

get a new car
attract a new relationship
receive a certain sum of money
get a new job
achieve a certain reputation
win a contest"

For example, I have been working on an intention regarding a relationship and I can't discern what my fundamental motive is, let alone its polarity - I can identify the polarity of some of my motives for this intention and my motives are mixed, and I don't know which one of the motives is the core one, if there is even one.

If you are intending a new relationship, if you are fortunate enough to just have one motive, and your motive is that you want to freely express your love to someone/freely love someone else...this motive has inflowing energy or outflowing? It has inflowing according to the above. But if your intention is to love someone with the idea to help them or bring happiness to them...I mean, I would even have to analyze the reason I want to freely love someone...

Moreover, I have read in many places on the threads that all motives are selfish. Even if you derive joy out of helping others, they say your motive for helping others is then selfish, which would indicate that there is no such thing as a lightworker at all.

Besides, if I want to write a book or do any of the other things under the "outflow" list, "lightworker" list, why are they aligned with lightworkers? Maybe I want to become famous and glorified or rich by writing a book or building a business.

What was the purpose of this list if intentions/goals themselves don't have polarity?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

why Steve attributed a certain polarity to certain intentions? (From the "Polarity" blog):

"Here are some examples of intentions that align well with outflow (from your consciousness out to the universe):

write a book
build a business
compose a song
draw a picture
throw a party
give a speech
start a blog
And here are some examples of intentions that align well with inflow (from the universe into your consciousness):

get a new car
attract a new relationship
receive a certain sum of money
get a new job
achieve a certain reputation
win a contest"

For example, I have been working on an intention regarding a relationship and I can't discern what my fundamental motive is, let alone its polarity - I can identify the polarity of some of my motives for this intention and my motives are mixed, and I don't know which one of the motives is the core one, if there is even one.
...
What was the purpose of this list if intentions/goals themselves don't have polarity?

I took the part that says "that align well", to mean typically something like getting a new car is inflow - but some, I suppose could be motivated to get a new car with lightworker polarity too, but just isn't typical. The getting a car for what reasons?

Do you feel that polarizing would help your relationship goal?

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Do you feel that polarizing would help your relationship goal?

Yes, I suppose you could put it that way. At least for this intention (my first one ever), I can feel I have different motives for it and I think they are a mixture of both polarities. Likewise, at different times during a week, regarding the situation of my intention, I shift between one attitude and another and I can feel one attitude belongs to one polarity and the other attitude belongs to the other. I can feel the two are not compatible and I want to figure my motives out enough to be sure of their polarity. Once I do that, I think I will have to, first, be ever-aware of my feelings and thoughts, second, be able to identify their polarity and, third, then force my mind somehow to shut out the motives and feelings of the opposing polarity and only allow those of the one polarity I want to apply. I think it will be hard to be able to distinguish them apart as the feelings and thoughts about the situation come up in me, but if I stay aware of what I am feeling from moment to moment, I can feel the one polarity gives me a bad feeling of gripping onto something and not wanting to let go and the polarity I like gives me a feeling of letting go and freedom, love - that one feels good. Most of the time I have the latter feeling, but sometimes the other one comes in.

With both of the attitudes coming up in me, it feels like a "push-me-pull-you" (some kind of animal I vaguely remember from my childhood that looked like a llama I think, but it had two heads/two fronts and they can't go anywhere because each head is trying to go in the opposite direction.) It is something I feel, I don't have proof or an explanation. I just feel/observe it happening in me.

[Sam988]

Thats why its a proccess.. it takes time to be mastered, a very long time