Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness (Blog)

[impaul99]

Ok, so then the conclusion to everything, after the billions of posts we've had on Polarization and such is this:

Commit a larger portion of your life intentions and goals towards LOVE oriented intentions and you will go up the consciousness ladder towards enlightenment. Conversely, set FEAR driven ones and go down the ladder.

No?

If so, then I don't really get why we even started talking about this?

At least the SELFWorker / WORLDWorker distinctions were making me aware of two energies I have behind my intentions. If nothing else, just being aware of them is cool insight.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Theo77

seems like every discussion on this topic has been derailed by people who basically disagree with the whole concept Steve originally wrote about.

So what's the point Paul? If it doesn't make sense to you it must not be true for anyone?

Huh? Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying with the 248 polarization related posts I have on this forum trying to understand this thing.

Could it be that you simply don't get it?

Uhm, yeah! That's what I said from day one. I don't get this thing. That's why we've all been discussing it for weeks now, because we don't really get it - myself included.

If you "get it" please help me (and the rest of us) and explain it please.

If I thought it was "crap" I'd ignore it, not discuss it. The reason I'm discussing Polarization is because I think there's something to it, but we don't fully understand it yet. I think I speak for more then just myself when I say that.

[Theo77]

Ok,

Well I am starting a 30 day trial of being a darkworker. Maybe I will post a new topic about it. Here are a string of kind of random things, that I see as all being connected that might give you a picture.

Dark polarization:

Think Power Chakra instead of heart chakra.

Think independance and self reliance instead of interdependance and co-operation.

Think Pride vs. Humility.

Think about what its like to never be in a situation where you would resort to prayer.

Think of what it would be like to be a dragon. Picture yourself as Smaug, the dragon in the Hobbitt. He was not a lightworker!

Think about Old Blue Eyes singing "I did it my way!"

Think about seperation as opposed to unity.

Think machiavelli.

Think Leo Strauss.

Does any of this help?

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by LoveWisdom

love is of the heart not the head.

Putting oneself first feels good. Maybe not to you, but to others.

[Theo77]

Now here is a weird analogy, But if you like Dogs, think of this:

Akita=Darkworker

Golden Retriever=Lightworker

Akita holds his head high, has proud and regal bearing, aloof, non-demonstrative, knows how to kill for itself. Proud very dominant. intelligent but hard to train because it resents it.

Golden retriever:

Eager to please, happy go lucky, submissive, loves to serve, tail always wagging.

[ethereal]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Ok, so then the conclusion to everything, after the billions of posts we've had on Polarization and such is this:

Commit a larger portion of your life intentions and goals towards LOVE oriented intentions and you will go up the consciousness ladder towards enlightenment. Conversely, set FEAR driven ones and go down the ladder.

Yes, that's basically it. Fear vs. Love, ego vs. Spirit, self vs. Self, etc.

The point was that Steve claims darkworking and lightworking are independent of LOC, and he mixed up the definitions of darkworking without clarifying exactly what he meant by darkworking. I'm not sure if he knew, either -- both RD and SD got lumped together, making it sound like you could raise LOC and consciousness by polarizing as a darkworker, which is NOT TRUE. This is a serious spiritual error and can cause tremendous damage, not only to the individual but to the world at large. To recapitulate:

"The impact of lying
Someone who tells a lie at LoC 185 is in force and doesn't have much impact on the world. Someone who lies at LoC 500 has a great impact. [Note: He also stated that this brings about a serious karmic consequence.] That's why fallen teachers can do so much damage. Seminar in Sedona, 28 Februar 2004"

This is basically the same as moral relativism, i.e. justifying the ego's desires as right and Truthful. Even if it is a spiritual ego thinking that "darkworking will take me to enlightenment", it is still ego-driven and using spiritual reasons to justify ego desires, and does NOT lead to enlightenment or a raising of LOC.

Some of my previous posts talked about where SD (what Steve was probably trying to get at) is placed, at LOC 100-499. RD is probably the LOC of 0-200, though mostly centralized at 125 (Desire). By putting these terms in the proper context on the LOC scale, people will be able to clearly see what the consequences are.

I've noticed many people justifying their polarization choices as a darkworker, based on Steve's posts, without fully knowing the consequences of that choice. And I've also noticed a lot of unpolarized people deciding which way to polarize. I think it's good to consciously try experimenting with being a darkworker and lightworker at low intensities, in order to see the differences in the experience. Suffice it to say, what most people really want deep inside is to experience the subjective reality of a lightworker -- love, happiness, comfort, joy, peace. Some people may not, and that is fine -- but it is spiritual seduction of up-and-coming lightworkers (or "unpolarized" in Steve's terms, though I've shown in previous posts that there is only degrees of lightworking, not darkworking vs. lightworking) to claim that being a darkworker will lead to the same lightworker's subjective experience, if you "polarize enough." That is entirely FALSE, and by that time it will probably be too late to even fix this enormous error.

The subjective experience of a SD darkworker, which is what I believe Steve tried to point to, is that of LOC 200-499, which is the experience of enormous self-empowerment and the ability to fulfill the ego's desires. The difference is that SD darkworking is empowering the self and fulfilling the ego's desires in order to later become a lightworker and serve God, i.e. fulfilling Maslow's hierarchy of needs in order to self-actualize, i.e. raising your LOC. In this case, the ego's desires begin to lessen their hold due to their fulfillment, and the SD darkworker eventually transitions into a lightworker, which is what Steve means by the two paths eventually coming together as a lightworker. However, if one isn't careful and slips into RD darkworking, which through polarization basically gives the ego free rein to do whatever it wants, the ego begins to predominate over everything else and begins to assert its desires over everything else, and one will slip below LOC 200, which will usually result in the subjective experience of endless fear, greed, lust, hatred, pride (especially), etc.

This is compounded by the fact that Steve has enormous credibility and our first gut instinct is to trust him above our own intuition/thoughts. That's what happened to me, anyway, though I always had that nagging doubt at the back of my mind. Thankfully, with grazia's courage and PATHS' intuition and insight module (shameless plug by me ) I've been able to clear this up to my own satisfaction, and I hope other people can join me in understanding and correcting this error.

[escapee]

Let see if i get the message right as Steve has consciously chosen the LW path.

When the world is filled with more than 50 % of so called darkworkers .. we are heading towards self destruction via hatred, jealousy, greed, selfishness, doubt and disrecpect towards mother nature .

When the world is filled with 50% of DW and 50% of LW . The world is in the constant balance as the opposite forces neutralize each other

When the world is filled with more than 50% of LW . The world is heading towards great leap on consciousness (uncondiotional love ) , social, ecological and economical system. A Utopian society we can only dream of .

Where are we now ?

[impaul99]

After much thought, my personal perspective on Selfworker / Worldworker energy can be see in this post I wrote:

» Balancing the Selfworker and Worldworker Inside You > Self Help Wisdom to Inspire, Empower and Enlighten You

Keep in mind that it's different from what we're talking about here about polarizing between FEAR / LOVE. My article is about helping SELF and WORLD using the energy of LOVE.

Anyway... this is where my current beliefs lie. I used the exercise I describe in there and it helped me to gain even more excitement and energy towards growing my blog, so it works for me

[escapee]

Insteresting, it's possible to have a less destructive world with SELF(love) > World(love) though there is historical constradiction ( eg : Hitler must have loved and admired his "Aryan heritage" so much that he commited one of the worst crimes in the human history and brought his own demise and downfall)

However, in order to push the human consciousness to next level for "eternal peaceful survival and co existence with the all lives of nature" and social advancement, I still think an excess of World(love) is neccesary.

I really hope that all the PD gurus focus more on World(love) rather than self(love)

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Keep in mind that it's different from what we're talking about here about polarizing between FEAR / LOVE. My article is about helping SELF and WORLD using the energy of LOVE.

I like that way of thinking. It's been rather disturbing to read Steve's notion of love energy and fear energy because I don't agree with the terms, and reconciling them in my head all the time shifts my mind around so that it's harder to think.

I like this way better.

[grazia]

Originally Posted by escapee

When the world is filled with more than 50 % of so called darkworkers .. we are heading towards self destruction via hatred, jealousy, greed, selfishness, doubt and disrecpect towards mother nature .

escapee. the world IS filled with nearly 80% of energy thieves. they cannot but. the arnd 20% of constructive people, serve the higher good of all with their intention mostly fired by spirit, not by greed etc.

When the world is filled with 50% of DW and 50% of LW . The world is in the constant balance as the opposite forces neutralize each other

this kind of reasoning won't get you far. the world is NOT FAIR (50%:50%) in the sense of literally counting and reasoning people.
see this table with data derived from David Hawkins:
SpiritualWiki - Tables

in the kabbalah it says that the world would need 36 upright persons to keep it's existence. in the old testament sodom and gomorrah were meant to go under due to their moral diludedness. the deal with God was to bring him 10 just persons to balance a whole city. it could not be done. in the end: 1 just individual would have been ok. not even this one could be brought.

Hawkins shares an incident after his enlightenment, when he walked the streets of NYC as one of the inhabitants. on the sidewalk he met a tramp or so. they looked into each others eyes, recognizing the SELF in the other and without exchanging words BOTH of them knew. the 2 of us are the 2 beings to counterbalance the negativity of a this metropole we live in.

according to Hawkins - given spiritual intention - every inhabitant of an industrial country has a chance to reach the loc of Willingness 310: people of GOOD WILL -- it is not the same with dogooders (arnd 180-190) nor with phariseans.

people of the LIE however (book title of Scott Peck) do not choose the Good Will (spiritual intention of serving the overall), they pretend to do so.

grace
grazia

[grazia]

Originally Posted by ethereal

The point was that Steve claims darkworking and lightworking are independent of LOC

nothing is independent of it's (own-ed) attractor field.
quantum physics teaches: everything is connected with everything in an implicate and an explicate order (God unmanifest or manifest).

both RD and SD got lumped together, making it sound like you could raise LOC and consciousness by polarizing as a darkworker, which is NOT TRUE. This is a serious spiritual error and can cause tremendous damage, not only to the individual but to the world at large.

wonder, if Steve will clarify this matter here?

moral relativism, i.e. justifying the ego's desires as right and Truthful.

there are many spiritual traps on the way, and the ego is enormously sly in its ingrown survival mechanisms. temptation and ego is all along the map - from 1-1000. that's how the physical world is - with its animal part included.

Some of my previous posts talked about where SD (what Steve was probably trying to get at) is placed, at LOC 100-499.

ethereal, this is an artificial concept. ego (downside) is every Level of Consciousness - ranging from 1-1000.
there are 3 different kinds of ego deaths: at 600 (personal ego), at 850 (spiritual ego - confrontation with the Void and Lucifer) and at 975, where life itself (the ego core of Reality) is surrendered.
so darksurrendering is the other thread of the two sown together materials.

once your will and God's will (loc 850) are ONE will, it takes effort/letting go.

I've noticed many people justifying their polarization choices as a darkworker, based on Steve's posts, without fully knowing the consequences of that choice.

upps, the herd effect of the followers? the lukewarm inbetweeners?
"proove ye everything and keep the best." that is what Jesus said.

it is spiritual seduction of up-and-coming lightworkers ... to claim that being a darkworker will lead to the same lightworker's subjective experience, if you "polarize enough."

Presume no actual reliable knowledge of anything at all. Ask God to reveal its meaning. D. Hawkins, Transcending Levels of Consciousness, p. 333

All ways will lead to Rome. is another proverb.
One may choose - given one is in a position to do so - to take the straight and narrow path or the scenic route.

That is entirely FALSE, and by that time it will probably be too late to even fix this enormous error.

fallen leaders can grow up again. error is correctable. error can be forgiven. it is grace, to be able to differentiate spirits.
in one of his seminars (i guess in 2003 or 2004) titled "Consciousness: how to tell the truth about anything" D. Hawkins found out that Hitler is not a sure statement for a no-truth weak arm muscle response anymore. so the being Hitler has moved up the ladder in his non-physical state of being.
he concluded the very high ranking souls must have prayed A LOT for the growth of A. Hitler, having been an object of collective hate and projection.
it's not that easy, to blame world havoc on Hitler or another tyrant solely. there needs to be a social construct of misleading and wanning to believe fallacies and narcissism on a whole to create much damage costing millions of lives. the masses are unable to differentiate truth from falsehood. still to this very day. even though the measuring instrument of choice is available.

has anybody cared to calibrate Steve Palinka's essay on LW and DW?

ethereal, it was amazing to read in your posts (after my 1st one here) that you did not make the differentiation betwenn SELF and self right away. later you've caught this error yourself.
one who serves SELF, serves God first, then the highest Good of all (WORLD), then your neighbor's SELF and then oneSELF.
these are the levels of
1000 = GOD
100 = WORLD (stewardship)
10 = familiy, friends, colleage, relations
1 = individuated SELF

it refers to the 3 blessings given to Adam&Eve, the archetypal couple:
Grow (as self/SELF)
multiply (as self/SELF)
and tend the Earth (as self/SELF)
and know thy God (as SELF), weeding out the false God (self/ego) in time.

to see these levels twisted in a demonic, ego-driven sense it is like this:
1000 = EGO / false God
100 = world (as ego's possession, "me", "mine")
10 = others (as pawns and assets for ego's goals/plans)
1 = self missunderstood as SELF.

polarization is actually the price the physical world pays to duality.
to reach devotional nonduality is achieved by GRACE and by transcending
aversion and attraction alike, once one can own both of them and take responsibility for what is.

The constant awareness of one's existence as "I" is the ever present expression of the innate divinity of the Self. […] The truth of this identity is obscured by the duality created by perception and disappears when all positionalities are relinquished. D. Hawkins, ''I'', p. 129

This is compounded by the fact that Steve has enormous credibility and our first gut instinct is to trust him above our own intuition/thoughts. That's what happened to me

Steve is the leader of the pack. remember in my 1st post. the lukewarm of "halfassed" will tend to follow the strongest attraction in town - depending on their respective loc.
and each one paddles his own canoe anyway.
each one is 100% responsible for What-is. this is huge.

I always had that nagging doubt at the back of my mind. Thankfully, with grazia's courage and PATHS' intuition and insight module

doubts (two - either-or) are two-edged. the inner voice is what i prefer to say. pls let me know what is PATHS. and what means LoA?

kind regards,
grazia

[Theo77]

the map is not the territory. That is a Robert Anton Wilson quote that springs to mind.

Plus I don't think being a darkworker is all about emulating hitler or being a serial killer.

This polarity is part of the Universe. I think the goal is transcending this polarity eventually, not converting everyone to lightworker so we can all hold hands an skip around in a feild with butterflies or somthing.

But really though if you have a real problem with dark polarity you have a problem with the basic design of creation.

[grazia]

Originally Posted by Theo77

the map is not the territory. That is a Robert Anton Wilson quote that springs to mind.

a piece of paper is not the land. yes
the piece of paper to draw the map of concsiousness, Jacob's ladder, on is not the meat of things. the meat is context, Spirit and consciousness.
Dr. Amit Goswami Amit Goswami - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , a nuclear physicist, did research on the mind-body schism and came to flwg conclusions:

On science

• "Old paradigmers […] will take a long time to change."
• "We have to introduce consciousness into science, but to do this consciousness must have some structure to manifest itself. That structure requires mind, vital energies, supra-mentality, soul in other words."[6]

On mystics and scientists

• "Mystics, contrary to religionists, are always saying that reality is not two things -God and the world- but one thing, consciousness. […] The problem with science has always been that most scientists believe that science must be done within a different monistic framework, one based on the primacy of matter. […] quantum physics showed us that we must change that myopic prejudice of scientists, otherwise we cannot comprehend quantum physics. So now we have science within consciousness, a new paradigm of science based on the primacy of consciousness that is gradually replacing the old materialist science. […] the new paradigm resolves many […] paradoxes of the old paradigm and explains much anomalous data."[7]

i spare myself of paraphrasing all of Goswami's statements into the topic at hand.
the excluding dark/self/workers (aka old paradigm scienctists) insist on duality and the supremacy of matter. the inclusive light/SELF/WORLD/workers (aka mystics, new paradigm scientist within consciousness) see no duality however the supremacy of consciousness, spirit, God, the absolute.


NO God or kNOw God?

God is nowhere. vs. God is now here.

No matter if one chooses the path of a light or a darkworker, one is 100% co-responsible for what is. it is all a matter of recontextualization.

the goal is ... not converting everyone to lightworker so we can all hold hands an skip around in a feild with butterflies or somthing.

The readiness to initiate the journey cannot be forced nor can people be faulted if it has not occurred in them as yet. The level of consciousness has to have advanced to the stage where such an intention would be meaningful and attractive. Dr. David Hawkins, The Eye of The I

the darkworker path is at hand and attractive without extra effort - as it seems.

if you have a real problem with dark polarity you have a problem with the basic design of creation.

take a 100% responsibility for What-is.

smile, theo. i used to be the laywer of poor ego's right to exist. and i was most impressed when a former friend of mine revealed to me that he tends to be a darkworker, meaning digging deep in the mud pie, whereas my lot was still pinkflower and lightheaded.
a true ladder-climber (with the map of the MoC for orient-ation) would have to go deep (own it ALL) in order to climb.
and Jesus went down to hell, before he ascended. the mystics went through hell before they saw the light and after that some more hell ....

grace
grazia

[Theo77]

Ok, I admit I am new. I haven't been reading Steve's blog for months and months. I just read his LOC blog entry. I figured I should go and read it before I keep shooting my mouth off.

I recently read "Prometheus Rising" by Robert Anton Wilson. He talks about circuits as opposed to levels. He's more morally neutral and scientific.

He doesn't just talk about Jesus and Buddha, but also mentions Tesla, Einstein, Betoven, Buckminster Fuller, Ailester Crowly, etc.

I think Hawkins has a more lovey Dovey spiritualized way of communicating.

I don't think Steve's ideas on polarity and Hawkin's totally jibe together 100%

Especially if you are tending toward the dark side.

But these are maps, models. Its not good to get too dogmatic.

There are a lot of non dualistic esoteric traditions and also left hand esoteric paths, where people achieve really high levels of consciousness.

To me I think "God" is direct experience, not a model. There is a dark side to that experience as well. Anyone having real experience, being alive, taking action is closer to God. The dark path doesn't prevent you from being enlightened. You transcend duality. I think you are more stuck thinking you can cancel out all darkness with love.

Another thing I find interesting, in Wilson's model though "Reason" is not a super high level. Its funny that Hawkins model its really high.

Has anyone tried to talk about metaphysical things to an atheist that is a total rationalist and wants to debunk everything?

That's what I think of that level.

[Adrienne]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Huh? Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying with the 248 polarization related posts I have on this forum trying to understand this thing.



Uhm, yeah! That's what I said from day one. I don't get this thing. That's why we've all been discussing it for weeks now, because we don't really get it - myself included.

If you "get it" please help me (and the rest of us) and explain it please.

If I thought it was "crap" I'd ignore it, not discuss it. The reason I'm discussing Polarization is because I think there's something to it, but we don't fully understand it yet. I think I speak for more then just myself when I say that.

Well Paul.. I agree with you that I don think it is crap. I get it, but I might get it because I am a light worker and have been for quite some time. I will be honest in the fact I did not think of it the same way Steve did tho I agree with him. When I was younger (sometimes between 13 and 16), I made the choice that I can either put myself first or I can help people. Tho I understood and still do understand the pulls and charms of wanting to do things for myself, I like helping people. I rather experience the reality of helping people then doing everything for myself.

When I first read Steve’s first article on the subject, my first thought it what???? I did not know what to make of it. I finally understood what he was trying to say a couple articles later. It’s hard to explain (Steve is doing a great job tho) its more something to experience. I finally saw what he was saying in my own life. I made that choice and it was hard. It was at a time in my life where I was used to thinking of myself first or I would not eat kind of time. And I realized that is not the way I want to live my life.

I did not make any star wars analogies with myself or really even say it was a complete life change (tho it was). I didn’t look back. I would do everything I could, do anything I could to be the kinda person who helps thousands and millions of people. Period.

Simply put. It’s a choice. Help people or help yourself. Both paths can lead to the same place but the journey and the experience are different. Either way you are scaling a mountain. Either way there are storms and hurdles. Either way has a top with the same view. But your experiences and the experience on the people on the journey with you vary by the path you choose.
Let me explain…
Lets take 2 hypothetical people. J and E. Both men, both in their 30s, both polarized 10 years ago. J is a light worker, out flow, or whatever label we wish to use. E is the dark worker, in flow, or whatever label we choice to use. Also we will include B in here because B never polarized.

Now lets look at their lives.
J:
Worked hard to get a good education that would serve people. He volunteered, spend went out of his way to help people, give advice etc. He started his own business with the idea of creating value for millions of people. He took on clients and went above and beyond to help them. He set expectations and always exceeded them. The more work he did the more work he had because people knew what a great job he did. He never good jobs he did not see a value for people in so he did not take on projects that he felt were not serving the greater good.
He used his money to support himself and his family. He invested in projects such as solar energy and other technology to help society. He made smart decisions and made even more money giving him money to put back into the world with positive effect. He kept spiraling upwards.

Now lets take E:
E likes power, money, fame.
E goes to school and works his butt off to get great grades and to learn the industry he wants to enter. He takes a job after school hours in an industry he knows he will enjoy. He takes the job for the measly money it may bring in but more to understand the competition. He learns a great deal about what makes good employees, what he can get away with as an employer, pay scales and the industry.
He starts off on his own, and he did such a good job, he has a couple people come with him, and the clients flock to him.
Why does he do a good job? It makes him look good. It makes him money. The better job he does, the more clients he gets; the more money he makes. He turns around and invest money in new business ideas that can take the world by storm. Why? Power. Fame. He loves seeing his name on the front page when he his company is the one the create a car that gets 2,000 miles to the gallon of olive oil. He keeps spiraling up as well.

Now lets look at B.
B never polarized. He went to school. Did not care much for it nor had a clear picture of what he is working for. He took an after school job. Hated it, but necessary evil right? He finds and industry with a boss that is nice enough. He has some ambition and a decent education and is in low level management by his middle 30s. He works 8 to 9 hours a day. And he likes it. He likes not having to bring home work all the time, or have anything that consumes him. He likes working but would like to work less hours. He likes going home to his family, but wishes he had another few grand every year. He plays the lottery just to get lucky even if it is silly.
He has nothing really invested, he refused to add money to the pot. He is happy. He has a family, decent income, a job he can tolerate that does not expect too much over time. He gets to play Golf on the weekends, travel a bit, he has some dept, but you know debt seems to be the American way.

Cant win big if you don’t take a risk. B did not want anything enough to take a leap and be consumed by anything. Look at Steve and Erin or any other light or dark worker.. They are consumed by life. They take leaps and risks, and have goals that are grander then make this month’s house payment.

Both E and J made the world a better place. If you are a follower of subjective reality, then you can make the connection that by helping yourself you are helping the world, and by helping the world you are helping yourself. Two sides.. same coin.

Since I was 16 and I became more polarized, the people around me would say thing like, “wow, cant believe you can do that.”
“I cant wait to see the things you do when you grow up.”

Now, I hear. “What you have done is amazing. I cant wait to see what else you have up your sleeve.” Heck, I started a blog because I had so many people always asking me what I was up to, and wanting to ask about all the stuff I have done in the past.

Paul I hope that helps clarify a bit… I tried to give an actual example because as we have seen talking in theoretics is too abstract for most people and just leads to frustration and headaches..

Adrienne