Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness (Blog)

[ethereal]

I read through some more tidbits on the link I posted, and here is one that speaks volumes:

"The impact of lying
Someone who tells a lie at LoC 185 is in force and doesn't have much impact on the world. Someone who lies at LoC 500 has a great impact. [Note: He also stated that this brings about a serious karmic consequence.] That's why fallen teachers can do so much damage. Seminar in Sedona, 28 Februar 2004"

People might say, "Well a high-level darkworker won't be stupid enough to lie for his own benefit", and I would respond, "Isn't that a definition of lightworking then?"

Now that I'm fully convinced the polarity concept doesn't hold, I'm seeing all these holes that I've never been able to recognize before. Perhaps it takes a subjective reality lens switching to be able to see them.

edit: So much is coming through to me now. I think it is possible to say that for a darkworker to keep "polarizing" he would need to incur more and more negative karma. It may seem like a darkworker can handle what's coming to him, but in actuality he is only partially experiencing the ripples he is causing, all the rest of it will be saved for future lifetimes to fully repay. Of course, people won't be able to notice these karmic consequences until it's "too late", when in another lifetime they'll be suffering and wondering why

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by ethereal

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People might say, "Well a high-level darkworker won't be stupid enough to lie for his own benefit", and I would respond, "Isn't that a definition of lightworking then?"

I end up with that conclusion too. The whole polarity sort of collapses. I try to view it as looking at what the motivational difference might be. But don't see a difference too much.

This is the question: What's the difference between a high level dark/selfworker (avoiding the dark syndrome) and a high level lightworker's motivation style? After all this polarity idea is supposed to be a description of the reason of the motivation or by what feelings the individual is moved to action, right?

[ethereal]

I also want to discuss just why the two paths would come to the same place.

Steve seems to say that the dark/light duality is resolved since the more you polarize the more they look the same. You can symbolize this with a ^ symbol, where two paths eventually come to one point. However, that is not how dualities in real life work -- dualities in real life are spectrums, and they aren't transcended by going one way as far as you can, they are transcended by going orthogonally, at right angles from both paths, moving to a higher level of awareness, the "middle way" that the Buddha espoused. Then, Steve's comments that at higher levels of awareness, dark and light come to same place, would make sense. But it doesn't mean you polarize more to achieve that higher level of awareness, you achieve that higher level of awareness first, then you realize dark and light are the "same" and you transcend the duality.

I think that also explains why some people here say it's possible to balance dark and light and achieve equal success without polarizing. Success is a function of higher awareness, not of polarity.

The point where Steve claims both dark and light paths meet, in actuality, is just "lightworking." In the quest for higher awareness and true perception of Reality, you realize that we are all One so only "lightworking" is valid at higher levels of awareness. Thus the duality is transcended -- there are only levels of "lightworking", there is no darkworking vs. lightworking or darkworking = lightworking.

edit: noticed that this is a classic example of correlation vs causation.

[ethereal]

I also want to add:

Steve's analogy is that what's best for the self is what is best for the whole, at higher levels of awareness. That is only because the self recognizes it IS the whole, and so it acts for the highest good of the whole at all times. It does NOT mean that what's best for the self is best for the whole, it only means that what's best for the whole is best for the whole.

All these self/whole, light/dark dualities can be transcended this way. Steve's way, while sounding like it works, actually still leaves subtle dualities in them.

[ethereal]

I want to add that dark/light, self/whole, ego/spirit, fear/love, separation/unity, force/power are all equivalent and the same. They do NOT lead to the same place. Once you see all these dualities as variations of a single theme (lack of love / love), it is so much easier to understand. It is only when you take things out of context and see the parts instead of the whole, that you get concepts like Polarity.

Steve says the two paths are equivalent and only the experience matters.

What kind of experience do you want?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by ethereal

I want to add that dark/light, self/whole, ego/spirit, fear/love, separation/unity, force/power are all equivalent and the same. They do NOT lead to the same place. Once you see all these dualities as variations of a single theme (lack of love / love), it is so much easier to understand. It is only when you take things out of context and see the parts instead of the whole, that you get concepts like Polarity.

Steve says the two paths are equivalent and only the experience matters.

What kind of experience do you want?

I think like you wrote. But also where is the motivation aspect? Are we thinking that a dark/selfworker is really motivated by lack of love? Or are we missing something?

I've been trying to see lack of love/love as the ends of authentic joy or higher consciousness path, with love (duh) being higher consciousness. Steve is trying to tell us there's another aspect which is the motivations that drives us toward higher consciousness.

Now maybe Steve's polarity idea is like saying selflove/worldlove, but what is selflove? We know love is higher consciouesness, but do we know what self is? Self is world at higher levels of consciouesness - so it's said.

Just thinking while I write...

[ethereal]

Maybe we can say that motivation is the same basic selfish desire for the good/love of one's self, but the darkworker only recognizes the ego-self as the source of its life/existence (think solipsism), whereas the lightworker recognizes the Self/God as the source of its life/existence (think Reality).

Love is only experienced when given, not when taken. Thus it makes sense that for a darkworker they would experience less and less love as he isolates himself more and more, whereas a lightworker would experience more and more love.

(ego) selflove is selflove, worldlove is worldlove. selflove never equals worldlove. Self is world at higher levels of consciousness, but that is still worldlove, or Selflove with a capital S. Equating selflove with a small s to Selflove with a big S will get people in trouble. The self transforms into the Self through higher awareness, but they are not equivalent.

edit: This principle is the source of all the confusion with Subjective Reality, too -- mixing/equating the self with the Self.

[fretho]

Originally Posted by ethereal

edit: So much is coming through to me now. I think it is possible to say that for a darkworker to keep "polarizing" he would need to incur more and more negative karma. It may seem like a darkworker can handle what's coming to him, but in actuality he is only partially experiencing the ripples he is causing, all the rest of it will be saved for future lifetimes to fully repay. Of course, people won't be able to notice these karmic consequences until it's "too late", when in another lifetime they'll be suffering and wondering why

Do you honestly believe that a person can be punished for their crimes without remembering what they did?

Imagine Hitler reincarnated as a starving child with AIDS. Would you pity that child less, knowing it was Hitler?

[ethereal]

No, I wouldn't pity the child less. Nor would I be even able to tell if he was Hitler in a past life or not. Nor does it really matter.

However, the fact stands that Hitler would probably reincarnate into a life full of suffering, per the workings of karma. It's not the person who doesn't remember what they did, it's the spirit who remembers what they did and DECIDED to incarnate into a life of punishment and who won't remember what they did. As they say, "We're spiritual beings having a human experience." Karma is a universal law of infinite justice, nothing we can really do about it -- like getting pissed off at gravity won't change much. Nevertheless, we still feel compassion for both Hitler and the child.

edit: anyway, I hope this thread stays on topic -- resolving the question of Polarity and LOC.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by ethereal

Maybe we can say that motivation is the same basic selfish desire for the good/love of one's self, but the darkworker only recognizes the ego-self as the source of its life/existence (think solipsism), whereas the lightworker recognizes the Self/God as the source of its life/existence (think Reality).

The ego versus Self sounds more like levels of consciousness, not whatever polarity is. Although, I've certainlty mix up LOC with polarity in my thinking too. Polarity, I surmise, is the motivation behind achieving higher LOC.

Love is only experienced when given, not when taken. Thus it makes sense that for a darkworker they would experience less and less love as he isolates himself more and more, whereas a lightworker would experience more and more love.

(ego) selflove is selflove, worldlove is worldlove. selflove never equals worldlove. Self is world at higher levels of consciousness, but that is still worldlove, or Selflove with a capital S. Equating selflove with a small s to Selflove with a big S will get people in trouble. The self transforms into the Self through higher awareness, but they are not equivalent.

edit: This principle is the source of all the confusion with Subjective Reality, too -- mixing/equating the self with the Self.

Also a source of confusion maybe mixing/equating ego/oneness to lightworker/darkworker. Or mixing/mapping LOC with polarity.

But good call! "self" is not "Self". A dark/selfworker is also confused in these threads and maybe Steve's blog, in that is it fear or love of self that is the characteristic? Or is self love also a form of fear? Then they say, but wait a healthy selfworker has gone beyond fear.

The selflove of a dark/selfworker, I think, is not equated with Selflove/lightworker. That's not going to fit. It seems that a selflove dark/selfworker, as consciouness expands, eventually has Selflove running. And it's not one or the other, i.e. self or Self love - it's a spectrum of growing from loving self to Self. And the way is to allow identification of self to grow into Self. But, now, where is the polarity idea? The motivation to higher consciouness? Love of self that grows to Self? Or something else that only Steve and some others seem to get?

Are these terms that belong together?:
selflove/selfworker/darkworker/lack of love/fear

And these?:
worldlove/worldworker/lightworker/love/Selflove

Trying to understand this makes me say this now: The terms of polarity should be independant of the level of consciousness - or it's just another way of describing LOC. The terms of polarity are an attempt to find something that exists no matter what the level of consciousness is (except for the completly enlightened state) - that there's some motivational style of two kinds that don't blend well (but I still don't know what that is).

[Theo77]

I think the path to enlightenment for the darkworker is akin to practicing magick. Changing reality to fit your will.

I think people into magick, sense this and I think religious people do to and that is why they are suspicious of magick.

Faith and magick are polar opposites.

[Theo77]

BTW, I'm new. what is LOC?

Thanks.

[fretho]

Originally Posted by ethereal

No, I wouldn't pity the child less. Nor would I be even able to tell if he was Hitler in a past life or not. Nor does it really matter.

However, the fact stands that Hitler would probably reincarnate into a life full of suffering, per the workings of karma. It's not the person who doesn't remember what they did, it's the spirit who remembers what they did and DECIDED to incarnate into a life of punishment and who won't remember what they did. As they say, "We're spiritual beings having a human experience." Karma is a universal law of infinite justice, nothing we can really do about it -- like getting pissed off at gravity won't change much. Nevertheless, we still feel compassion for both Hitler and the child.

edit: anyway, I hope this thread stays on topic -- resolving the question of Polarity and LOC.

Logically what you're saying is that Hitler was originally a spirit who at first decided to incarnate into a life in which he would cause untold human suffering, then would decide to repay his debts through suffering -- but without remembering what he did until he dies again. In short, we mortals are but pawns in the hands of unseen spirits who have no conscience or obligation concerning their handiwork in this life.

Another belief system that makes at least as much sense, is that humans are subject to certain physical (and psychological) parameters, which when violated, result in suffering. This Hitler was originally no different than you or I, but was subjected to certain stresses in his life resulting in insanity. However, we have the power to avoid many of these stresses through diet, exercise, meditation, good relationships, etc. We also have the power to recognize symptoms of mental illness and thusly avoid putting insane people in positions of power.

This is basically why I don't believe in Karma. You have to account for intelligence, free will, accidents, precautions, social values, and other variables if you want to explain suffering or the lack thereof.

[ethereal]

Theo: LOC stands for Level of Consciousness, as defined here:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...consciousness/

I don't think there is such a polarity or motivational style independent of LOC. I think force vs. power describes polarity best, but that is the same as LOC -- under 200 and over 200.

I think that most people here are around 200 to 500, which can be said to be the "unpolarized" -- somewhat equal level of force and power, though more towards power. If you polarize as lightworker you enter 500+ and you gain a new level of power. If you polarize as darkworker you drop down to 190 or lower and gain a new level of force. Both may appear to be equally successful or "powerful", but force is only a weak imitation of power and needs to continually take from others to sustain itself.

The reason why darkworkers and lightworkers can seem to be equally conscious is that all levels/abilities/functions exist within the person, but LOC depends on how "truthful" / "loving" he is, in context. Conscious darkworkers abound, and they may have the same "content" as conscious lightworkers, but they will still calibrate below 200 because the "context" is wrong -- their intelligence is dedicated towards "false" or relative truths, their love is dedicated to the ego-self, their motivation is dedicated to personal desires, etc.

So I guess you can say polarity is actually a pointer to context -- that which is integrous and that which is non-integrous. Content can remain the same, but context is different. Likewise, following those paths can lead you to the same content (success, power, fame, intelligence, conscious free will), but the context will be completely different (fear vs. love, isolation vs. unity, etc.).

Wanting to raise (true) consciousness for yourself is actually a lightworker motivation. As Dr. Hawkins says, "raising your own consciousness level raises the sea of mankind's consciousness, and all the ships will rise with it," and so he even suggests that you focus on your own consciousness and leave the rest to God. But consciousness must be raised in the right context, or else it will still be "false" and actually lowering LOC as defined by Hawkins, however seemingly conscious the person may be.

I think we have to make a distinction between LOC consciousness, and "living consciously" and "raising consciousness" as Steve defines it. I think Steve's definition of consciousness is having expanded faculties of consciousness like "free will" to consciously choose how to live, or more recently LOA/IM/Subjective Reality, and LOC consciousness is following Divine Will for the highest good. For lightworkers, a person's free will will be used to follow Divine Will more and more often, but for darkworkers a person's free will will be used for his ego's own selfish ends. So indeed, both darkworking and lightworking motivations will lead you to having increased "free will" and "living consciously", but the context is completely different, and so LOC is completely different as well.

LOC and faculties of consciousness (free will, productive habits, awareness, intelligence, LOA power) ought to be separated. The context for using these faculties determine your LOC, not just the faculties themselves.

And LOC determines your subjective experience of reality -- so I'd be careful when choosing a polarity, it has consequences.

I think this whole thing is beginning to unravel Thanks for participating in this discussion!

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Theo77

I think the path to enlightenment for the darkworker is akin to practicing magick. Changing reality to fit your will.

I think people into magick, sense this and I think religious people do to and that is why they are suspicious of magick.

Faith and magick are polar opposites.

I think magick is just a religionized version of the basics of LoA. Ie. they "focus their intention" by using spells etc. I think the thing to look at is whether they are using magick to help themselves, or help the world. If they are helping themselves , they would be SELFWorkers (DarkWorkers), and if they are using spells to help the world they would be WORLDWorkers (LightWorker).

I dont' think the use of Magick, LoA, Focused Intention, Spells, etc. has anything to do with polarizing. They are just tools one can use to achieve a result. The intention behind achieving the result determines the polarity, not the tool itself.

Hope that clears it up.

BTW, LOC = Levels of Consciousness.

[Theo77]

Here is a question:

If you do good in order to avoid accumulating bad Karma, are you really a darkworker?

(BTW, I recently read that Satanists don't believe in Karma)

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Theo77

BTW, I'm new. what is LOC?

Thanks.

Level Of Consciousness

[Theo77]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Hope that clears it up.

Well, I don't personally, feel I am confused about polarity. I just disagree with you. But thanks for telling me what LOC is.

I think like Steve said most people aren't polarized. I think there is a tendency for people to think they are a lightworker because its more acceptable, while doing a lot of dark worker type things.

[Theo77]

Before I read these articles by Steve Pavlina, I was doing my own personal study on Left hand vs. Right hand paths. Maybe I will look for some links and post some things on it.

[ethereal]

Ok, sorry for all the long posts, I'm typing it all as I think out loud.

The gist of it seems to be that Polarization is a concept focused on raising the faculties of consciousness (motivation, clear-headed decision making, LOA/IM, awareness, conscious free will). However, LOC is (mostly) independent of faculties of consciousness and depends on how those faculties of consciousness are used, whether for Love/Truth/Reality/Self or fear/falsehood/ego/self.

True Darkworking/Lightworking are not equivalent and will not lead to the same place. DWing/LWing as Steve defines it, with the two paths leading to the same place, is actually just all lightworking. The motivation for true raising of consciousness is all lightworker-based, with the cell doing what's good for the body and all his other analogies. It may seem to be selfish for "focusing" on your own consciousness, but that is only a difference in content and not in context, which is what LOC is about. Raising your faculties of consciousness in order to pursue ego desires will NOT raise LOC, but lower it instead.

That is the whole basis of animal evolution -- the animal ego evolved a prefrontal cortex, and now they compete each other with H-Bombs, hostile corporate takeovers, and seduction instead of with sticks and stones and turf/mate wars. The content may be different (expanded faculties and conscious free will) but the context (use of faculties and free will) and LOC is the same.

edit: LOC seems to be an evolution of the nonphysical spiritual soul, and not any physical manifestation like the faculties of the mind/consciousness (though they are somewhat interdependent). Everything needs to be taken into account. Polarization only focuses on physical manifestation and not the ultimate spiritual context.