Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness (Blog)

[ethereal]

I read through some more tidbits on the link I posted, and here is one that speaks volumes:

"The impact of lying
Someone who tells a lie at LoC 185 is in force and doesn't have much impact on the world. Someone who lies at LoC 500 has a great impact. [Note: He also stated that this brings about a serious karmic consequence.] That's why fallen teachers can do so much damage. Seminar in Sedona, 28 Februar 2004"

People might say, "Well a high-level darkworker won't be stupid enough to lie for his own benefit", and I would respond, "Isn't that a definition of lightworking then?"

Now that I'm fully convinced the polarity concept doesn't hold, I'm seeing all these holes that I've never been able to recognize before. Perhaps it takes a subjective reality lens switching to be able to see them.

edit: So much is coming through to me now. I think it is possible to say that for a darkworker to keep "polarizing" he would need to incur more and more negative karma. It may seem like a darkworker can handle what's coming to him, but in actuality he is only partially experiencing the ripples he is causing, all the rest of it will be saved for future lifetimes to fully repay. Of course, people won't be able to notice these karmic consequences until it's "too late", when in another lifetime they'll be suffering and wondering why

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by ethereal

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People might say, "Well a high-level darkworker won't be stupid enough to lie for his own benefit", and I would respond, "Isn't that a definition of lightworking then?"

I end up with that conclusion too. The whole polarity sort of collapses. I try to view it as looking at what the motivational difference might be. But don't see a difference too much.

This is the question: What's the difference between a high level dark/selfworker (avoiding the dark syndrome) and a high level lightworker's motivation style? After all this polarity idea is supposed to be a description of the reason of the motivation or by what feelings the individual is moved to action, right?

[ethereal]

I also want to discuss just why the two paths would come to the same place.

Steve seems to say that the dark/light duality is resolved since the more you polarize the more they look the same. You can symbolize this with a ^ symbol, where two paths eventually come to one point. However, that is not how dualities in real life work -- dualities in real life are spectrums, and they aren't transcended by going one way as far as you can, they are transcended by going orthogonally, at right angles from both paths, moving to a higher level of awareness, the "middle way" that the Buddha espoused. Then, Steve's comments that at higher levels of awareness, dark and light come to same place, would make sense. But it doesn't mean you polarize more to achieve that higher level of awareness, you achieve that higher level of awareness first, then you realize dark and light are the "same" and you transcend the duality.

I think that also explains why some people here say it's possible to balance dark and light and achieve equal success without polarizing. Success is a function of higher awareness, not of polarity.

The point where Steve claims both dark and light paths meet, in actuality, is just "lightworking." In the quest for higher awareness and true perception of Reality, you realize that we are all One so only "lightworking" is valid at higher levels of awareness. Thus the duality is transcended -- there are only levels of "lightworking", there is no darkworking vs. lightworking or darkworking = lightworking.

edit: noticed that this is a classic example of correlation vs causation.

[ethereal]

I also want to add:

Steve's analogy is that what's best for the self is what is best for the whole, at higher levels of awareness. That is only because the self recognizes it IS the whole, and so it acts for the highest good of the whole at all times. It does NOT mean that what's best for the self is best for the whole, it only means that what's best for the whole is best for the whole.

All these self/whole, light/dark dualities can be transcended this way. Steve's way, while sounding like it works, actually still leaves subtle dualities in them.

[ethereal]

I want to add that dark/light, self/whole, ego/spirit, fear/love, separation/unity, force/power are all equivalent and the same. They do NOT lead to the same place. Once you see all these dualities as variations of a single theme (lack of love / love), it is so much easier to understand. It is only when you take things out of context and see the parts instead of the whole, that you get concepts like Polarity.

Steve says the two paths are equivalent and only the experience matters.

What kind of experience do you want?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by ethereal

I want to add that dark/light, self/whole, ego/spirit, fear/love, separation/unity, force/power are all equivalent and the same. They do NOT lead to the same place. Once you see all these dualities as variations of a single theme (lack of love / love), it is so much easier to understand. It is only when you take things out of context and see the parts instead of the whole, that you get concepts like Polarity.

Steve says the two paths are equivalent and only the experience matters.

What kind of experience do you want?

I think like you wrote. But also where is the motivation aspect? Are we thinking that a dark/selfworker is really motivated by lack of love? Or are we missing something?

I've been trying to see lack of love/love as the ends of authentic joy or higher consciousness path, with love (duh) being higher consciousness. Steve is trying to tell us there's another aspect which is the motivations that drives us toward higher consciousness.

Now maybe Steve's polarity idea is like saying selflove/worldlove, but what is selflove? We know love is higher consciouesness, but do we know what self is? Self is world at higher levels of consciouesness - so it's said.

Just thinking while I write...

[ethereal]

Maybe we can say that motivation is the same basic selfish desire for the good/love of one's self, but the darkworker only recognizes the ego-self as the source of its life/existence (think solipsism), whereas the lightworker recognizes the Self/God as the source of its life/existence (think Reality).

Love is only experienced when given, not when taken. Thus it makes sense that for a darkworker they would experience less and less love as he isolates himself more and more, whereas a lightworker would experience more and more love.

(ego) selflove is selflove, worldlove is worldlove. selflove never equals worldlove. Self is world at higher levels of consciousness, but that is still worldlove, or Selflove with a capital S. Equating selflove with a small s to Selflove with a big S will get people in trouble. The self transforms into the Self through higher awareness, but they are not equivalent.

edit: This principle is the source of all the confusion with Subjective Reality, too -- mixing/equating the self with the Self.

[fretho]

Originally Posted by ethereal

edit: So much is coming through to me now. I think it is possible to say that for a darkworker to keep "polarizing" he would need to incur more and more negative karma. It may seem like a darkworker can handle what's coming to him, but in actuality he is only partially experiencing the ripples he is causing, all the rest of it will be saved for future lifetimes to fully repay. Of course, people won't be able to notice these karmic consequences until it's "too late", when in another lifetime they'll be suffering and wondering why

Do you honestly believe that a person can be punished for their crimes without remembering what they did?

Imagine Hitler reincarnated as a starving child with AIDS. Would you pity that child less, knowing it was Hitler?

[ethereal]

No, I wouldn't pity the child less. Nor would I be even able to tell if he was Hitler in a past life or not. Nor does it really matter.

However, the fact stands that Hitler would probably reincarnate into a life full of suffering, per the workings of karma. It's not the person who doesn't remember what they did, it's the spirit who remembers what they did and DECIDED to incarnate into a life of punishment and who won't remember what they did. As they say, "We're spiritual beings having a human experience." Karma is a universal law of infinite justice, nothing we can really do about it -- like getting pissed off at gravity won't change much. Nevertheless, we still feel compassion for both Hitler and the child.

edit: anyway, I hope this thread stays on topic -- resolving the question of Polarity and LOC.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by ethereal

Maybe we can say that motivation is the same basic selfish desire for the good/love of one's self, but the darkworker only recognizes the ego-self as the source of its life/existence (think solipsism), whereas the lightworker recognizes the Self/God as the source of its life/existence (think Reality).

The ego versus Self sounds more like levels of consciousness, not whatever polarity is. Although, I've certainlty mix up LOC with polarity in my thinking too. Polarity, I surmise, is the motivation behind achieving higher LOC.

Love is only experienced when given, not when taken. Thus it makes sense that for a darkworker they would experience less and less love as he isolates himself more and more, whereas a lightworker would experience more and more love.

(ego) selflove is selflove, worldlove is worldlove. selflove never equals worldlove. Self is world at higher levels of consciousness, but that is still worldlove, or Selflove with a capital S. Equating selflove with a small s to Selflove with a big S will get people in trouble. The self transforms into the Self through higher awareness, but they are not equivalent.

edit: This principle is the source of all the confusion with Subjective Reality, too -- mixing/equating the self with the Self.

Also a source of confusion maybe mixing/equating ego/oneness to lightworker/darkworker. Or mixing/mapping LOC with polarity.

But good call! "self" is not "Self". A dark/selfworker is also confused in these threads and maybe Steve's blog, in that is it fear or love of self that is the characteristic? Or is self love also a form of fear? Then they say, but wait a healthy selfworker has gone beyond fear.

The selflove of a dark/selfworker, I think, is not equated with Selflove/lightworker. That's not going to fit. It seems that a selflove dark/selfworker, as consciouness expands, eventually has Selflove running. And it's not one or the other, i.e. self or Self love - it's a spectrum of growing from loving self to Self. And the way is to allow identification of self to grow into Self. But, now, where is the polarity idea? The motivation to higher consciouness? Love of self that grows to Self? Or something else that only Steve and some others seem to get?

Are these terms that belong together?:
selflove/selfworker/darkworker/lack of love/fear

And these?:
worldlove/worldworker/lightworker/love/Selflove

Trying to understand this makes me say this now: The terms of polarity should be independant of the level of consciousness - or it's just another way of describing LOC. The terms of polarity are an attempt to find something that exists no matter what the level of consciousness is (except for the completly enlightened state) - that there's some motivational style of two kinds that don't blend well (but I still don't know what that is).

[Theo77]

I think the path to enlightenment for the darkworker is akin to practicing magick. Changing reality to fit your will.

I think people into magick, sense this and I think religious people do to and that is why they are suspicious of magick.

Faith and magick are polar opposites.

[Theo77]

BTW, I'm new. what is LOC?

Thanks.

[fretho]

Originally Posted by ethereal

No, I wouldn't pity the child less. Nor would I be even able to tell if he was Hitler in a past life or not. Nor does it really matter.

However, the fact stands that Hitler would probably reincarnate into a life full of suffering, per the workings of karma. It's not the person who doesn't remember what they did, it's the spirit who remembers what they did and DECIDED to incarnate into a life of punishment and who won't remember what they did. As they say, "We're spiritual beings having a human experience." Karma is a universal law of infinite justice, nothing we can really do about it -- like getting pissed off at gravity won't change much. Nevertheless, we still feel compassion for both Hitler and the child.

edit: anyway, I hope this thread stays on topic -- resolving the question of Polarity and LOC.

Logically what you're saying is that Hitler was originally a spirit who at first decided to incarnate into a life in which he would cause untold human suffering, then would decide to repay his debts through suffering -- but without remembering what he did until he dies again. In short, we mortals are but pawns in the hands of unseen spirits who have no conscience or obligation concerning their handiwork in this life.

Another belief system that makes at least as much sense, is that humans are subject to certain physical (and psychological) parameters, which when violated, result in suffering. This Hitler was originally no different than you or I, but was subjected to certain stresses in his life resulting in insanity. However, we have the power to avoid many of these stresses through diet, exercise, meditation, good relationships, etc. We also have the power to recognize symptoms of mental illness and thusly avoid putting insane people in positions of power.

This is basically why I don't believe in Karma. You have to account for intelligence, free will, accidents, precautions, social values, and other variables if you want to explain suffering or the lack thereof.

[ethereal]

Theo: LOC stands for Level of Consciousness, as defined here:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...consciousness/

I don't think there is such a polarity or motivational style independent of LOC. I think force vs. power describes polarity best, but that is the same as LOC -- under 200 and over 200.

I think that most people here are around 200 to 500, which can be said to be the "unpolarized" -- somewhat equal level of force and power, though more towards power. If you polarize as lightworker you enter 500+ and you gain a new level of power. If you polarize as darkworker you drop down to 190 or lower and gain a new level of force. Both may appear to be equally successful or "powerful", but force is only a weak imitation of power and needs to continually take from others to sustain itself.

The reason why darkworkers and lightworkers can seem to be equally conscious is that all levels/abilities/functions exist within the person, but LOC depends on how "truthful" / "loving" he is, in context. Conscious darkworkers abound, and they may have the same "content" as conscious lightworkers, but they will still calibrate below 200 because the "context" is wrong -- their intelligence is dedicated towards "false" or relative truths, their love is dedicated to the ego-self, their motivation is dedicated to personal desires, etc.

So I guess you can say polarity is actually a pointer to context -- that which is integrous and that which is non-integrous. Content can remain the same, but context is different. Likewise, following those paths can lead you to the same content (success, power, fame, intelligence, conscious free will), but the context will be completely different (fear vs. love, isolation vs. unity, etc.).

Wanting to raise (true) consciousness for yourself is actually a lightworker motivation. As Dr. Hawkins says, "raising your own consciousness level raises the sea of mankind's consciousness, and all the ships will rise with it," and so he even suggests that you focus on your own consciousness and leave the rest to God. But consciousness must be raised in the right context, or else it will still be "false" and actually lowering LOC as defined by Hawkins, however seemingly conscious the person may be.

I think we have to make a distinction between LOC consciousness, and "living consciously" and "raising consciousness" as Steve defines it. I think Steve's definition of consciousness is having expanded faculties of consciousness like "free will" to consciously choose how to live, or more recently LOA/IM/Subjective Reality, and LOC consciousness is following Divine Will for the highest good. For lightworkers, a person's free will will be used to follow Divine Will more and more often, but for darkworkers a person's free will will be used for his ego's own selfish ends. So indeed, both darkworking and lightworking motivations will lead you to having increased "free will" and "living consciously", but the context is completely different, and so LOC is completely different as well.

LOC and faculties of consciousness (free will, productive habits, awareness, intelligence, LOA power) ought to be separated. The context for using these faculties determine your LOC, not just the faculties themselves.

And LOC determines your subjective experience of reality -- so I'd be careful when choosing a polarity, it has consequences.

I think this whole thing is beginning to unravel Thanks for participating in this discussion!

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Theo77

I think the path to enlightenment for the darkworker is akin to practicing magick. Changing reality to fit your will.

I think people into magick, sense this and I think religious people do to and that is why they are suspicious of magick.

Faith and magick are polar opposites.

I think magick is just a religionized version of the basics of LoA. Ie. they "focus their intention" by using spells etc. I think the thing to look at is whether they are using magick to help themselves, or help the world. If they are helping themselves , they would be SELFWorkers (DarkWorkers), and if they are using spells to help the world they would be WORLDWorkers (LightWorker).

I dont' think the use of Magick, LoA, Focused Intention, Spells, etc. has anything to do with polarizing. They are just tools one can use to achieve a result. The intention behind achieving the result determines the polarity, not the tool itself.

Hope that clears it up.

BTW, LOC = Levels of Consciousness.

[Theo77]

Here is a question:

If you do good in order to avoid accumulating bad Karma, are you really a darkworker?

(BTW, I recently read that Satanists don't believe in Karma)

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Theo77

BTW, I'm new. what is LOC?

Thanks.

Level Of Consciousness

[Theo77]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Hope that clears it up.

Well, I don't personally, feel I am confused about polarity. I just disagree with you. But thanks for telling me what LOC is.

I think like Steve said most people aren't polarized. I think there is a tendency for people to think they are a lightworker because its more acceptable, while doing a lot of dark worker type things.

[Theo77]

Before I read these articles by Steve Pavlina, I was doing my own personal study on Left hand vs. Right hand paths. Maybe I will look for some links and post some things on it.

[ethereal]

Ok, sorry for all the long posts, I'm typing it all as I think out loud.

The gist of it seems to be that Polarization is a concept focused on raising the faculties of consciousness (motivation, clear-headed decision making, LOA/IM, awareness, conscious free will). However, LOC is (mostly) independent of faculties of consciousness and depends on how those faculties of consciousness are used, whether for Love/Truth/Reality/Self or fear/falsehood/ego/self.

True Darkworking/Lightworking are not equivalent and will not lead to the same place. DWing/LWing as Steve defines it, with the two paths leading to the same place, is actually just all lightworking. The motivation for true raising of consciousness is all lightworker-based, with the cell doing what's good for the body and all his other analogies. It may seem to be selfish for "focusing" on your own consciousness, but that is only a difference in content and not in context, which is what LOC is about. Raising your faculties of consciousness in order to pursue ego desires will NOT raise LOC, but lower it instead.

That is the whole basis of animal evolution -- the animal ego evolved a prefrontal cortex, and now they compete each other with H-Bombs, hostile corporate takeovers, and seduction instead of with sticks and stones and turf/mate wars. The content may be different (expanded faculties and conscious free will) but the context (use of faculties and free will) and LOC is the same.

edit: LOC seems to be an evolution of the nonphysical spiritual soul, and not any physical manifestation like the faculties of the mind/consciousness (though they are somewhat interdependent). Everything needs to be taken into account. Polarization only focuses on physical manifestation and not the ultimate spiritual context.

[ethereal]

Ok, concrete example of this in Dr. Hawkins' Truth vs. Falsehood:

Time magazine's "100 Most Influential People in the World" (2004; 2005 approx. the same)

Categories Calibrations
"Leaders and Revolutionaries" 190
"Leaders and Revolutionaries"
minus Bush, Rice, Gates, and the Clintons 170
"Builders and Titans" 245
"Artists and Entertainers" 180
"Scientists and Thinkers" 240

"Heroes and Icons" 200
"Heroes and Icons"
minus M. Gibson, A. Schwarzenegger,
O. Winfrey, and T. Woods 175

You can say they're all highly Polarized to be able to get to where they are, yet LOC still remains dismal.

LW/DW as Steve defines it seem to be more like the "yin/yang" side of Love, whereas true DWing (which everyone has confused with Steve's version) is just Fear/Ego. As long as the correct context is there, LOC will rise; but without the right context, no matter what the content LOC will fall.

A garbageman devoted to Love and Truth will have a higher LOC and do more good for mankind in the unseen spiritual realm of conciousness than any of these people listed above, despite the contributions made in the physical realm.

Ok, I am going to sleep, seems like I can't rest until I got it all down

[starlet]

Originally Posted by LoveWisdom

Darkworker= Devil worker
Lightworker= God worker

Period!

Um yeah. Care to explain why you came to those conclusions, or is your word supposed to be taken as gospel?

[Adrienne]

Originally Posted by LoveWisdom

Not really as truth is self evident! ha! ha! ha!

I guess a person could follow the dark/devil and go to hell and be in so much pain and agony that their ego finally surrenders to The God of Light. But then agian one might get trapped there for eons and eons.

The demons have wings too but fly around in the dark so they're bound to bump into things!

Love

why is darkness associated with being evil? Its just a word Steve is using to describe putting yourself first(i know simplistic definition). Are you saying putting yourself first is evil?

Adrienne

[CamC]

OK, first thing I would like to point out is that people were talking about MMORPG's and then people automatically thought World of Warcraft. WoW is a lame MMO AT BEST and should not represent MMO's as a whole.

Also if you like MMO'ing shoot me a PM.

Now on to the less important stuff, self-improvement (jk).

I am beginning to think that EVERYONE is by definition a (big, evil ) Darkworker. Why? Everyone does everything they do for 2 reasons: to avoid pain and gain pleasure, (See ch. 3 of Awaken the Giant Within). So a "lightworker" avoids pain and gains pleasure by helping people, whereas a "darkworker" does it by helping self. MOST gain pleasure and avoid pain by doing something in between.

I totally agree that Darkworkers and Lightworkers exist, that point is obvious, and I would say most people lean towards one (it's witchcraft... erm Darkworking for me). BUT I am not sure either way IF/HOW this gets you to a goal faster...

This is either absolute crazy stupidity or a revolutionary idea. I would like to note though: All revolutionary ideas started out as crazy stupidity.

[ahimel]

Originally Posted by ethereal

No, I wouldn't pity the child less. Nor would I be even able to tell if he was Hitler in a past life or not. Nor does it really matter.

However, the fact stands that Hitler would probably reincarnate into a life full of suffering, per the workings of karma. It's not the person who doesn't remember what they did, it's the spirit who remembers what they did and DECIDED to incarnate into a life of punishment and who won't remember what they did. As they say, "We're spiritual beings having a human experience." Karma is a universal law of infinite justice, nothing we can really do about it -- like getting pissed off at gravity won't change much. Nevertheless, we still feel compassion for both Hitler and the child.

edit: anyway, I hope this thread stays on topic -- resolving the question of Polarity and LOC.

"I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, "Wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all of the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -Babylon 5

Anyway, that's off-topic, but too good to pass up.

I'm here at ethereal's request, posted in the Love of Evil thread. I haven't been following the full discussion, and I haven't had a lot of time for the ideas discussed in this thread to sink in, and so I'm hesitant to post my views. But I'm also disinclined to completely ignore ethereal's request. So I'm posting my thoughts, with the caveat that I may be completely off-base here.

But anyway, my first impression is that a bunch of lightworkers have gotten together and decided that darkworking is invalid. Not that I haven't fallen into the same trap -- being a lightworker (or at least a fledgling lightworker) I don't fully understand darkworking, and tend to make bad assumptions about it. But the lack of a darkworker in the discussion concerns me about its validity.

But my second impression is to wonder if we're just caught up in semantics. I agree that there's a way to enlightenment involving giving joyfully to all the world. There's a way to enlightenment involving focusing intensely on self-improvement. And there's people who claim to be doing these things but who are in fact making themselves and the world miserable with their low consciousness. Whether you call them lightworkers and darkworkers and non-polarized or world-lightworkers and self-lightworkers and darkworkers doesn't matter much.

As far as the relationship between polarity and LoC, I have to admit that I have puzzled over this very problem, and haven't gotten very far. The current image I have in my head is kind of like a cliffside with two paths leading up to the top. If you're standing in the middle, then there's essentially two ways to get to the top: you can go all the way in one direction and climb that path, or you can go all the way in the opposite direction and climb that path. Both lead to the same place, which is to say, the top of the cliff. Technically speaking, you could haul out the ropes and pitons and go straight up the middle, but it'd be a pain in the butt, and take a lot longer than just going around.

That model fits the data I have. But since I have essentially no data, that's not saying much.

Just my two cents, provided more to acknowledge ethereal's request than out of any belief that I have something useful to say.

[ethereal]

Thanks for posting, Ahimel I'm glad some discussion is finally taking place over this critical topic.

I think you are right, a lot of this is confusion with semantics.

The thing is, if you've got the wrong map then following the right path won't do you much good. As in, if you have the right content but the wrong context, things can get screwed up. That's how I feel with the whole polarity thing. After studying Dr. Hawkins' work intensely for a year, as well as Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism, I can say that his AK calibration and MOC model completely checks out with me and is in my opinion, the (only?) objectifiable valid model of Truth, untainted by the human mind's partial conceptualizations. No matter how far I go in my spiritual or worldly path, I always come back and check with Dr. Hawkins' calibrations to make sure I'm going the right way. His is the only map I trust 100%.

What I think is happening with polarity, is that what Steve thinks is the darkworker path is really just part of the lightworker path as it treads along the LOC of Fear/Desire up to Reason. This has been my personal experience as well, and also models Steve's experiences if you correlate his life story -- and probably many other people's experiences here. For LOC 100-499, it is mostly focused on raising consciousness and reclaiming power for the self, so it is very easy to mistake it for "darkworking." And for the darkworker (as defined by Steve) it's possible to go up to pretty high LOCs, so it may seem like the darkworker can keep raising consciousness on his path. I personally think the darkworker path typically ends at LOC 499, but as grazia said, every LOC has its upside and downside, and the archangel Lucifer dropped from 50,000+ to 190 -- makes you think, huh?

However, Steve has mixed his definition of darkworking (which is just a huge composite LOC stage of lightworking) with real darkworking, which is to serve the ego and gratify its' desires. Here is where it gets confusing -- Steve's version, which I will call SD (Steve's Darkworking), as compared to RD (Real Darkworking), may have the same content, that is to say, they can do everything exactly the same -- but their context will be different, and it is context that defines LOC, not content.

Steve focuses heavily on raising consciousness, but there is a distinction between raising faculties of consciousness and raising LOC. I've detailed a lot of it these distinctions in previous posts, but a simple analogy is Hitler -- he was highly conscious, highly aware and intelligent, he knew what he was doing, and he almost succeeded -- but his LOC is absolutely dismal, he wrecked havoc upon the world, because he is a RD. He used his expanded faculties of consciousness to serve his own ego desires. It is notable that he started off at a LOC of 430 and he had noble intentions of helping Germany, but once he gained power, it ended up corrupting him. Without spiritual discernment of Truth (which only begins fully at LOC 540, when the "third eye" of the Buddhic body opens) and with only the flawed human mind to tell truth from falsehood, power becomes a slippery slope towards ego domination. All his powers and faculties of consciousness (reason, free will, awareness, discernment) went into serving his ego/self, rather than serving God / Spirit / Divine Will / Mankind / Truth / Love / Self.

So to Steve, it may seem like raising the faculties of consciousness, which Polarization definitely helps with, will help raise LOC, the fact is that those two are mostly independent, or at best, mildly interdependent. Or you can say, they are the content, but LOC includes not just content but context as well. SD is just a very focused path of improvement for LOC 100-499. If you think about it, for most people at that stage, lightworking (as it is defined by Steve) is not yet a sufficient motivation. That is because, like Maslow's hierarchy of needs, the self hasn't reclaimed its power yet, so it trucks along the levels until it gets close to the limit, realizes that the evolution of the self is complete and that the evolution of the Self is beginning, and then the quality of the journey changes from dark to light near LOC 500.

However, I would hasten to add that only LOC reflects true spiritual evolution of consciousness -- polarization and evolution of the faculties of consciousness is only the content and not context, and while it can make your physical worldly life more entertaining , I'm not sure of the spiritual benefits -- perhaps it might improve karma if you help more people, but maybe that's about it. So beware of the trap thinking that polarization (especially SD darkworking) will help evolve LOC -- it may, or it may not. Balanced people can evolve just as fast, and I think lightworkers evolve the fastest since they are already on the "right track" so to speak.

What Steve calls "low-level" lightworkers are mostly just being selfishly unselfish, or desiring to feel good about helping. You've all seen the type of person who tries to "fix" everything -- fix others, fix the world, fix you, even when things don't need fixing, and their fixing usually makes things worse. Doesn't that sound kind of darkworker-ish now? That's why they don't get results and seem "low-level", just the same as their SD darkworking equivalent, and I would say they are still at the SD darkworking stages of LOC 100-499.

The main thrust of all my posts so far is to make the clear, clear distinction between SD and RD, which is primarily a difference in context and not content, which makes it hard to grasp. There is actually no such thing as "darkworking", only various stages of "lightworking." RD is dedicated to the ego and force and LOCs below 200. SD reflects the path lightworking may seem to take as the self begins to purify and evolve. In no way does RD lead to the same place as SD or lightworking. There is only lightworking, and that is the only spiritual evolution possible (unless you truly are dedicated to the ego and to evil, in which case you evolve downwards -- otherwise, your "darkworking" is just "lightworking" in disguise at the LOCs of 100-499, and will be converted to lightworking when you choose to evolve.)

I think Steve is correct in saying that polarity is similar to intention -- but I would further elaborate and say that RD's intention is serving the ego in order to serve ego, and SD's intention is serving the ego (first) in order to serve God, i.e. LOC 100-499. Low-level lightworking, similarly, is also serving the ego (first) because it is primarily focused on its own desires to help, but as the lightworker purifies himself and his desires he evolves towards real lightworking. But past LOC 500, there is only pure lightworking and that represents the ultimate stage of evolution. There is no such thing as high-level darkworking, which is why there are no enlightened darkworkers -- IMO their limit is LOC 499. And that also explains why there is no place for love (LOC 500+) in darkworking, hence all the confusion about where love is found on the darkworker's path.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by CamC

OK, first thing I would like to point out is that people were talking about MMORPG's and then people automatically thought World of Warcraft. WoW is a lame MMO AT BEST and should not represent MMO's as a whole.

Also if you like MMO'ing shoot me a PM.

Now on to the less important stuff, self-improvement (jk).

I am beginning to think that EVERYONE is by definition a (big, evil ) Darkworker. Why? Everyone does everything they do for 2 reasons: to avoid pain and gain pleasure, (See ch. 3 of Awaken the Giant Within). So a "lightworker" avoids pain and gains pleasure by helping people, whereas a "darkworker" does it by helping self. MOST gain pleasure and avoid pain by doing something in between.

I totally agree that Darkworkers and Lightworkers exist, that point is obvious, and I would say most people lean towards one (it's witchcraft... erm Darkworking for me). BUT I am not sure either way IF/HOW this gets you to a goal faster...

This is either absolute crazy stupidity or a revolutionary idea. I would like to note though: All revolutionary ideas started out as crazy stupidity.

Did Jesus do what he did to avoid pain and gain pleasure?

You know what's funny is that I have Awaken the Giant Within sitting beside me, ehehe.. I pulled it out the other day after seeing Shallow Hal on TV and just wanted to have a quick glance through it again. I read it back in 1997 and forgot just how THICK that book is. Holy crap he's got a lot of stuff crammed in there. Good ol' Toney.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by ethereal

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I think Steve is correct in saying that polarity is similar to intention -- but I would further elaborate and say that RD's intention is serving the ego in order to serve ego, and SD's intention is serving the ego (first) in order to serve God, i.e. LOC 100-499. Low-level lightworking, similarly, is also serving the ego (first) because it is primarily focused on its own desires to help, but as the lightworker purifies himself and his desires he evolves towards real lightworking. But past LOC 500, there is only pure lightworking and that represents the ultimate stage of evolution. There is no such thing as high-level darkworking, which is why there are no enlightened darkworkers -- IMO their limit is LOC 499. And that also explains why there is no place for love (LOC 500+) in darkworking, hence all the confusion about where love is found on the darkworker's path.

Very well thought out theory. What about this illustration:

LOC: 0-200 - 100% Darkworker
LOC: 200-499 - 50% Darkworker / 50% Lightworker
LOC: 500-600 - 25% Darkworker / 75% Lightworker
LOC: 600-700 - 15% Darkworker / 85% Lightworker
LOC: 800-900 - 5% Darkworker / 95% Lightworker
LOC: 900-1000 - 0% Darkworker / 100% Lightworker

More or less, I mean the %'s don't have to be exact, I'm just picking arbitrary numbers to illustrate a point.

Is that the poing you're trying to make? THen, in your example Darkworker to Lightworker progression is evolutionary, not instant and it is also the process of getting rid of EGO self.

Then you'd agree that:
(1) Inflow / Outflow of intentions into your life/out of your life is quite irrelevant and just confuses the situation. In other words, you can help the world by helping your Self (not ego self, but your spirit Self). ie. A buddhist monk in a cave somewhere, through self-meditation could transcend his ego and become enlightened without "helping the world" in the physical world, but rather though pure meditation.

(2) When Steve says "POLARIZE" it sounds binary like SNAP , I'm a lightworker. But in reality, it's actually a much longer progressive approach which can take years or decades or even lifetimes. Lets look at Bill Gates as an example. Soon he will retire from Microsoft and focus purely on his charity organization, but it doesn't happen overnight.

[ethereal]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Very well thought out theory. What about this illustration:

LOC: 0-200 - 100% Darkworker
LOC: 200-499 - 50% Darkworker / 50% Lightworker
LOC: 500-600 - 25% Darkworker / 75% Lightworker
LOC: 600-700 - 15% Darkworker / 85% Lightworker
LOC: 800-900 - 5% Darkworker / 95% Lightworker
LOC: 900-1000 - 0% Darkworker / 100% Lightworker

More or less, I mean the %'s don't have to be exact, I'm just picking arbitrary numbers to illustrate a point.

Yes, I think your illustration is correct. It roughly correlates with some other numbers I've found regarding STS vs. STO and ego will vs. Divine Will.

Originally Posted by impaul99

Is that the poing you're trying to make? THen, in your example Darkworker to Lightworker progression is evolutionary, not instant and it is also the process of getting rid of EGO self.

Yes, thank you for that concise explanation!

Originally Posted by impaul99

Then you'd agree that:
(1) Inflow / Outflow of intentions into your life/out of your life is quite irrelevant and just confuses the situation. In other words, you can help the world by helping your Self (not ego self, but your spirit Self). ie. A buddhist monk in a cave somewhere, through self-meditation could transcend his ego and become enlightened without "helping the world" in the physical world, but rather though pure meditation.

I don't really know, I think Inflow/Outflow may have some validity with respect to LOA/IM, but I don't think it has any validity with respect to LOC / spiritual evolution. Or if it does, I'm guessing that outflow will tend to raise LOC and inflow tend to lower LOC, given Steve's explanation of how inflow/outflow relates to karma.

Yes, I think the physical world is just the world of effects and there is a huge spiritual realm behind it all, where LOC plays the supreme role. Like your example, the sages and monks such as Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj basically did nothing their entire lives, besides sit and meditate and talk to spiritual seekers who asked them questions. But undoubtedly the light they radiated into the world had a huge uplifting effect, unseen to the physical eye.

You can kind of get the gist of it by realizing that consciousness affects everything that is observed (the whole basis of LOA, IM, SR, quantum mechanics, everything!). Enlightened Sages see Infinite Love everywhere in the world. Does that help? You bet

Originally Posted by impaul99

(2) When Steve says "POLARIZE" it sounds binary like SNAP , I'm a lightworker. But in reality, it's actually a much longer progressive approach which can take years or decades or even lifetimes. Lets look at Bill Gates as an example. Soon he will retire from Microsoft and focus purely on his charity organization, but it doesn't happen overnight.

I'm not really sure just how Steve is defining polarization, darkworker, lightworker, etc. (like in the other thread). I think all these terms, as a concept, is applicable to physical realm of manifestation -- I believe a polarized darkworker/lightworker will be better able to make physical changes in the world, via force for a RD darkworker and power for a lightworker. But one is destructive and one is constructive, and they do not lead to the same place. Even if in the physical realm the RD darkworker is making "good" changes, nevertheless his consciousness will affect things negatively. If we're talking about SD darkworkers, then they are actually just lightworkers in disguise.

All these terms lose meaning when taken in a spiritual context, which is where all the confusion lies. Then it is just ego vs. God, self vs. Self, fear vs. Love, falsehood vs. Truth -- and you have free will to choose what side to follow. And that process has been going on for eons of time and many many reincarnations

[Theo77]

seems like every discussion on this topic has been derailed by people who basically disagree with the whole concept Steve originally wrote about.

So what's the point Paul? If it doesn't make sense to you it must not be true for anyone?

Could it be that you simply don't get it?