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Old 03-23-2007, 09:07 PM   #31 (permalink)
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The more articles about polarity I read from Steve, the more I realize the polarity concept does not resonate with me at all. It's going back into duality, in dividing 'us' and 'them'.
I feel that way too. Polarity seems like a concept that further asserts that there's a duality - how can that raise awareness?

There must be another path that is not a polarity but more like an expansion. Where darworkers are focusing on a small circle (themselves) and the lightworkers are focusing on a bigger circle (friends to family to community to the whole world?)
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Old 03-23-2007, 09:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Now the interesting thing is that these paths lead to the same place. For example, when we act as darkworkers from total self-interest, we eventually see that we must account for the health of the whole body. If the body dies, we go down with it, which does not serve our own needs. When we act as lightworkers from a passion for service, we eventually recognize that our own well-being plays a big part in our ability to serve. If we don’t thrive as individuals, we aren’t much good to anyone else.
What's also interesting is if they both end up in the same place, why is polarizing important or effective in some way? If being polarized eventually makes one realize one can't operate that way - isn't that saying don't be polarized?

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The path I see is to expand myself from being focused on myself interests (darkworker) to be able to focus and give to a larger sphere of others. When I expand attention I can't do it without first feeling solid in myself (darkworker work) or stop focusing on what I want too. That darkworker work stays with me while I expand and add the lightworking parts. Service to others includes service to self or you are a heading toward lightworker syndrome.

It's not a path or a polarity in my thoughts, it's an expansion. I don't have thoughts like you say I would while recognizing that I must feel good about myself (darkworker) before I can touch someone else (lightworker). And it's not something that if I don't polarize one way I'll be unable to be happy or achieve.

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Old 03-23-2007, 09:35 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I believe I am on the verge of polarization. I feel the tug of both sides of the "force" and one side is pulling a bit harder, but I am not sure if I am ready to polarize yet. If I know when you made the decision it would give me some direction. Thanks, this really is a difficult decision I never realized how hard it would be until now.
So can you please tell me at what level of consciousness did you decided to polarize (NEVER MIND)

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I think Steve answered you already, here.
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I recognize that outwardly they may have the same manifestations of doing the highest good, and even of emotions and thoughts, but from a spiritual standpoint I still can't see how they can be at the place. The intention behind it all is totally different.

I hope someone has the answers, cause Steve just opened up a huge can of worms with this polarity thing
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Old 03-23-2007, 09:46 PM   #36 (permalink)
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What's also interesting is if they both end up in the same place, why is polarizing important or effective in some way?
If you keep endlessly trying to decide whether each action you take is "good" or "evil" then you won't make any forward progress.

Understanding that each path in it's purest form leads to the same place is crucial in overcoming self doubt and maintaining the motivation needed to carry out your purpose.
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Old 03-23-2007, 09:47 PM   #37 (permalink)
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To say that a darkworker connects to inner power and the lightworker experiences outer creating implies there is a boundary of some kind.

Why is there a boundary in these ideas of levels of consciousness?
Or, it implies that there isn't a distinction. Think Mobius strip.
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I think Steve answered you already, here.
hahaha that is funny when he said reason I was thinking what is my reason for asking the question. how funny
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I have been thinking alot recently and, for the longest time I believed that the best thing to do in life is to be nice to everyone...to be happy all the time...but that just made me sick and tired and angry...I see now that my soul is not inclined that way...I am a creature of balance...Good and bad are just words...they have no resonance with me...I do what is right..based on logic and reason. Not wishes and disillusionment. I am very much changing now...my life is shaping in to what it is...I see now that kindness and happiness all the time is just as destructive as anger and resentment all the time...a balance must be found in the Microcosm before one can be sought in the macrocosm...The darkness and the light must be brought to bear...they must be dragged into the open and sorted out. There is no dishonour in doing a "Bad" thing to help the world, nor is their honour in doing a "Good" thing.

Yoru choice of Polarization is irrelevant. The ends result, if followed through properly, is always the same. Like Steve says, it's all about the experience you want.
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I've just read polarity articles - this model perfectly fits recent events of my life. Trying to enhance lives of others and getting a stream of lucky events in return is a wonderful way of living, and I'm going to continue like that

As for the fear polarity, I still don't understand why is this an equal choice. After all, there are such prominent examples of lightworkers like Buddha and Jesus, but I don't know of any darkworkers that reached the same level.
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After reading this article I have one question Steve. What proof or evidence do you have that polarization, in either direction, actually accelarates the process of going through your levels of consciousness.

For example, lets quantify this. Lets say that I have 10 big goals I want to work on. 5 of them would be polarized "darkworker" and 5 would be polarized "lightworker". Let's say that YOU have 10 big goals as well and all of them are polarized "lightworker".

What evidence/proof/real life experience do you have that a person pursueing 10 lightworker goals would go through the levels faster than a person doing 5 and 5? I mean, I know you're saying that +5 and -5 equal zero which is less than +10, but that's just the measure of POLARITY. How does the measure of POLARITY affect the speed at which you move through the levels of consciousness.

Maybe it has nothing to do with it. Maybe it's like saying that a WHITE car will get you to your destination FAST, and a BLACK car will get you to a destination fast, but a GREY car will not. I don't see the correlation between the polarity of GIVING/GETTING and the speed at which one transcends levels of consiousness.

I mean the only reason I see polarity related to levels of consciousness is because you said so but without giving any reasons why you believe that. It's like saying that since 1+1=2, and 2+2=4 then it must mean that Waterworld was a good movie. What does one really have to do with the other?

What am I missing?



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After reading this article I have one question Steve. What proof or evidence do you have that polarization, in either direction, actually accelarates the process of going through your levels of consciousness.

For example, lets quantify this. Lets say that I have 10 big goals I want to work on. 5 of them would be polarized "darkworker" and 5 would be polarized "lightworker". Let's say that YOU have 10 big goals as well and all of them are polarized "lightworker".

What evidence/proof/real life experience do you have that a person pursueing 10 lightworker goals would go through the levels faster than a person doing 5 and 5? I mean, I know you're saying that +5 and -5 equal zero which is less than +10, but that's just the measure of POLARITY. How does the measure of POLARITY affect the speed at which you move through the levels of consciousness.

Maybe it has nothing to do with it. Maybe it's like saying that a WHITE car will get you to your destination FAST, and a BLACK car will get you to a destination fast, but a GREY car will not. I don't see the correlation between the polarity of GIVING/GETTING and the speed at which one transcends levels of consiousness.

I mean the only reason I see polarity related to levels of consciousness is because you said so but without giving any reasons why you believe that. It's like saying that since 1+1=2, and 2+2=4 then it must mean that Waterworld was a good movie. What does one really have to do with the other?

What am I missing?

Goals themselves aren't categorized as "lightworker goals" or "darkworker goals."

The intent behind a goal is what's classified. The energy to carry out a given goal comes from a "lightworker" or "darkworker" based motivation. You are either doing something because it's:

a. Good you you.
b. For the greatest good of all.

Goals themselves are neutral.
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As for the fear polarity, I still don't understand why is this an equal choice. After all, there are such prominent examples of lightworkers like Buddha and Jesus, but I don't know of any darkworkers that reached the same level.
The reason why capitalism is the most effective economic model is because it harnesses darkworker energy in a way that is productive at worst and uplifting at best.

However, for darkworkers at high levels of consciousness, consider Augustus Caesar, King Solomon, Alexander the Great, or most other benevolent dictators. I would also argue that the Apostle Paul was a darkworker and remained one throughout his career.
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Just wondering, is there any loss whatsoever if a person decides to switch polarities? such as say a decrease in consciousness, or a decrease in effectiveness in using the polarities?
I'm currently at a point in my life where a darkworker polarity would be helpful to me, but at heart i'm a lightworker. I know that i'll polarize on the LW side eventually.
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The idea that darkworking and lightworking are paths of equal value, and that they both lead to the same place, seems to me to be absolutely incorrect. I don't have any argumentation to offer, only very strong intuition.

My sense -- again, just intution here -- is that every time you decide that someone else's feelings don't affect you -- every time you decide that you are better than someone else, or more important, etc. -- you've cut off a connection to the world beyond your physical body; your soul has shrunk. You may take physical things from others, you may build your empire on the backs of the poor, or whatever; but as you do so, you become more alone and more isolated. This does not lead to peace and love; it leads to loneliness and alienation.

Steve has used the example of the Emperor in Star Wars as an advanced darkworker. But he, of course, is a fictional character. I suspect that in the real world, darkworkers don't have that kind of bright future to look forward to.

I'm not denying that darkworkers can amass a great deal of wealth, power, and so forth, and I'm sure many of them can have a great time doing it. For them, life is like a big computer game, and they're trying to get points. And in the end, the world is as two-dimensional and unreal as a computer game.

If you don't care about other people, if you don't love other people simply for who they are (instead of for how they can help you), then there's a huge source of joy that's completely cut off from you. How can that lead to fulfillment?

Side note: personally I don't think capitalism has anything to do with lightworking or darkworking. It simply allows people more freedom to make the trades and commerce they want to make, without government interference. Government interference tends to dampen economic prosperity because governments can't foresee and control every eventuality.
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My sense -- again, just intution here -- is that every time you decide that someone else's feelings don't affect you -- every time you decide that you are better than someone else, or more important, etc. -- you've cut off a connection to the world beyond your physical body; your soul has shrunk. You may take physical things from others, you may build your empire on the backs of the poor, or whatever; but as you do so, you become more alone and more isolated. This does not lead to peace and love; it leads to loneliness and alienation.
You're simply describing Darkworker Syndrome, which would indeed generate the problem you describe.

However, that is not the path that a highly conscious darkworker would take. Understand that an intelligent and aware darkworker would recognize that being alone and isolated is a foolish choice that only leads to suffering, so such a person would plan to avoid that type of outcome. Such a darkworker would recognize that his/her own good will not be served by social isolation and committing blatant acts of evil that will eventually backfire and produce a negative emotional state.

An intelligent and aware darkworker doesn't chose loneliness and isolation. That would be... well... dumb. But someone experiencing darkworker syndrome might pass through this temporary stage as s/he learns that to maximize one's power, one must help others get what they want as well.
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They do lead to the same path depending on how you look at them. I made a thread about this in the forum but to sum it up, it's all how you percieve what you're doing which goes back into subjective reality.

Lightworkers can do what most of us percieve as "evil" too by serving others in a way that is harmful to some but not toward others. Catch my drift? Darkworkers recieve yet thier benefit could end up benefitting millions of others indirectly.

Just something to think about.
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Goals themselves aren't categorized as "lightworker goals" or "darkworker goals."

The intent behind a goal is what's classified. The energy to carry out a given goal comes from a "lightworker" or "darkworker" based motivation. You are either doing something because it's:

a. Good for you.
b. For the greatest good of all.

Goals themselves are neutral.
Ok, then let me rephrase my argument. What proof is there that polarizing and having the motivation of doing ONLY (a) or ONLY (b) will lead to quicker progression through the levels of consciousness?

I could argue and say that balancing your life and doing an equal mix of (a) and (b) leads to quicker progression through levels of consciousness.
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Ok, then let me rephrase my argument. What proof is there that polarizing and having the motivation of doing ONLY (a) or ONLY (b) will lead to quicker progression through the levels of consciousness?

I could argue and say that balancing your life and doing an equal mix of (a) and (b) leads to quicker progression through levels of consciousness.

For me, mixed motivations are distracting. I tend to wonder why I'm really doing something. Even if there are muliple valid reasons I'll hold myself back until I feel like I know my "main" reason.

Picking one polarity up front seems more effective as it alleviates all the self doubt.
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Goals themselves aren't categorized as "lightworker goals" or "darkworker goals."

The intent behind a goal is what's classified. The energy to carry out a given goal comes from a "lightworker" or "darkworker" based motivation. You are either doing something because it's:

a. Good for you.
b. For the greatest good of all.

Goals themselves are neutral.
Ok, then let me rephrase my argument. What proof is there that polarizing and having the motivation of doing ONLY (a) or ONLY (b) will lead to quicker progression through the levels of consciousness?

I could argue and say that balancing your life and doing an equal mix of (a) and (b) leads to quicker progression through levels of consciousness.
What I think you're missing, Paul, is that Steve originally wrote about polarity in relation to using it with the Law of Attraction (or "intention-manifestation" if you want to call it that instead -- whatever works). Basically, polarity has to do with becoming an effective conduit for universal "Source" energy (which is supposedly unlimited and always readily available, and can neither be created nor destroyed -- it can only change state) such that you can get the content of your intentions "charged" with energy so that they can begin to manifest. Much like a car (read: an intention) will not drive unless it has a battery (read: energy) powering it.

What Steve is basically saying is that the more you master using one particular polarity to energise your intentions, the more effectively your intentions will manifest. And an analogy I like to use in understanding why that works is as follows: Think of a character from an RPG (role playing game). The character starts off at level 1, and has very few abilities available to him (or her, but I’ll just keep saying him since it’s easier) and doesn’t have very high attributes (ie. an attribute might be “strength”, “stamina”, etc). He may be able to do “Sword swing level 1” and have 1 “strength” and 1 “stamina”. But as he gains in-game experience, his levels rise. The more experience he gains, the more his levels rise. A level 99 RPG character will have many more abilities, more powerful abilities, and higher attributes then a level 1 character (eg. Sword swing level 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, as well as advanced sword swing levesl 1 to 5, and 99 strength and 99 stamina). For example, a level 99 character might be able to chop down a tree with his high level of strength and carry it home for firewood, while a level 1 character might struggle with chopping down much smaller tree, and may not even be able to carry it yet at his level of strength.

So bringing this back to polarity, the more you master working with polarity (which is what is the key here -- learning how to control the energy, not so much “polarising”, which is merely a step in the process of learning how to work with it), the more options you have available, and the more powerful those options are. Now these options will manifest in physical form somehow and won’t always remain conceptual (ie. if your intention is to have more money and you eventually manifest 5 million dollars, you’ll have more options/power then someone who has 5 bucks), but your ability to control this energy is what’s important. Whatever you manifest in physical reality is merely a reflection of you’re the energy you already know how to control and use to energise your intentions (which consist of content until you energise them).

The funny thing is it seems everyone's gotten so confused with the polarisation concept, that they forgot "why" Steve was writing about it in the first place (again, for use with the LoA -- correct me if I'm wrong, Steve). The good news is that even if you don't believe in the LoA and all that stuff, you can easily replace the word "intention" with "goal", and "energy" with "motivation", and the concept of polarity still holds strong (a sign of a good concept -- universality).

As for whether or not all of this actually plays out in reality, as with most of what Steve writes, I’d advise you to experiment with it yourself. Instead of trying to figure out whether or not it works by looking at the concept, figure out if it works by trying to get some results first (it's kind of hard to know if you can chop down a tree in an RPG if you don't try it first and see if it's even something you can do in the game, let alone something you can do at your level of strength). Read-fire-aim.
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What I think you're missing, Paul, is that Steve originally wrote about polarity in relation to using it with the Law of Attraction (or "intention-manifestation" if you want to call it that instead -- whatever works). Basically, polarity has to do with becoming an effective conduit for universal "Source" energy (which is supposedly unlimited and always readily available, and can neither be created nor destroyed -- it can only change state) such that you can get the content of your intentions "charged" with energy so that they can begin to manifest. Much like a car (read: an intention) will not drive unless it has a battery (read: energy) powering it.

What Steve is basically saying is that the more you master using one particular polarity to energise your intentions, the more effectively your intentions will manifest. And an analogy I like to use in understanding why that works is as follows: Think of a character from an RPG (role playing game). The character starts off at level 1, and has very few abilities available to him (or her, but I’ll just keep saying him since it’s easier) and doesn’t have very high attributes (ie. an attribute might be “strength”, “stamina”, etc). He may be able to do “Sword swing level 1” and have 1 “strength” and 1 “stamina”. But as he gains in-game experience, his levels rise. The more experience he gains, the more his levels rise. A level 99 RPG character will have many more abilities, more powerful abilities, and higher attributes then a level 1 character (eg. Sword swing level 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, as well as advanced sword swing levesl 1 to 5, and 99 strength and 99 stamina). For example, a level 99 character might be able to chop down a tree with his high level of strength and carry it home for firewood, while a level 1 character might struggle with chopping down much smaller tree, and may not even be able to carry it yet at his level of strength.

So bringing this back to polarity, the more you master working with polarity (which is what is the key here -- learning how to control the energy, not so much “polarising”, which is merely a step in the process of learning how to work with it), the more options you have available, and the more powerful those options are. Now these options will manifest in physical form somehow and won’t always remain conceptual (ie. if your intention is to have more money and you eventually manifest 5 million dollars, you’ll have more options/power then someone who has 5 bucks), but your ability to control this energy is what’s important. Whatever you manifest in physical reality is merely a reflection of you’re the energy you already know how to control and use to energise your intentions (which consist of content until you energise them).

The funny thing is it seems everyone's gotten so confused with the polarisation concept, that they forgot "why" Steve was writing about it in the first place (again, for use with the LoA -- correct me if I'm wrong, Steve). The good news is that even if you don't believe in the LoA and all that stuff, you can easily replace the word "intention" with "goal", and "energy" with "motivation", and the concept of polarity still holds strong (a sign of a good concept -- universality).

As for whether or not all of this actually plays out in reality, as with most of what Steve writes, I’d advise you to experiment with it yourself. Instead of trying to figure out whether or not it works by looking at the concept, figure out if it works by trying to get some results first (it's kind of hard to know if you can chop down a tree in an RPG if you don't try it first and see if it's even something you can do in the game, let alone something you can do at your level of strength). Read-fire-aim.
See, I get what you're saying. I believe in LoA. I have been using it effectively for YEARS, and have had a lot of success. I would equate my level of success in life to that of Steve's (although I'm a few years younger), just that for me I didn't use blogging to make money. Besides that everything else is the same.

Now, having said that, I understand everything except the concept of polarizing in one direction. What I mean is WHY? I can understand polarizing in one direction PER intention, but why must we polarize our whole lives in one direction to speed up transcending levels of consciousness?

Let's say that I decide to pursue 5 intentions with the polarized intention of a darkworker, meaning with energy flowing into ME from the universe. Then I also decide to pursue 5 intentions with the polarized intention of a lightworker, meaning with the energy flowing OUT from me to the universe. If I did that, why would I be transcending levels of consciousness SLOWER than Steve who decides to just focus on 10 lightworker intentions or 10 darkworker intentions?

The reason I don't get this is because I see real life examples of exactly the opposite being true. Meaning, I see that the true fastest path of moving through the levels of consciousness is to tap into BOTH powers of darkworker AND lightworker and increase their magnitude while being balanced.

Meaning, lets look at it mathematically.

Let's say we have 10 energy units to "spend" on our character.
Steve would setup his character like this:
Darkworking: 0
Lightworking: +10

I would setup my character like this:
Darkworking: +5
Lightworking: +5

Then lets say over the next 3 months we each work on stuff and doing that stuff we both move up to the level of having 30 energy units each. Now Steve's character would look like this:
Darkworking: 0
Lightworking: +30

Mine would look like this:
Darkworking: +15
Lightworking: +15

Now, my point is that we both have 30 energy units invested in our character and with each unit invested, we move up on the consciousness path. What I don't get is why does spending all your energy units in ONE DIRECTION make things go faster?

In an RPG scenario it's like building up a specialty class character, versus a utility class character. Yes, you can built a specialty class who can maybe do a lot of DAMAGE or a lot of HEALING, but it is JUST AS EFFECTIVE to play a utility class that does decent DAMAGE and also can do decent HEALING.

If you don't believe me, try playing World of Warcraft for a while and you'll see just how powerful utility classes can be. No, they aren't as good at dealing damage (darkworking) as a specialty class, but they still kick butt because their healing abilities (lightworking) give them an extra edge. In combat, it might take a bit longer for them to kill you, but they will be healing themselves along the way so it's really hard to kill them too.

I know we're just going off topic here with video games, but all I'm trying to say is WHY are we making the assumption that picking one polarity makes you go faster up the consciousness tree? I don't get it. It seems totally counterintuitive to me that it would work that way.

Imagine these scenarios:
1) Everyone on earth becomes a lightworker and they all start a blog and offer free articles to the world. Who's left to read them? Everyone's busy writing, nobody is reading them.

2) Everyone on earth becomes a darkworker and they all start looking for free articles to read. Since nobody is writing any articles, there's nothing to read!

3) Everyone on earth, in a balanced way, spends time writing articles that they feel provide value to the world in their unique way, and also spend time reading articles of others who wrote things.

Doesn't scenario 3 intuitively feel like the best scenario?
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Wow. This article made me cry.
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Interesting analogy. In that vein, balanced characters are clearly inferior. Remember it's a team game. The optimal choice is to have a tank, healer, rogue, and caster, all maxed out specialists, in a party, working together. I can picture that darkworkers benefit from having lightworkers around and vice versa.
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Made me cry, too.
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I think that Paul has an interesting point, and I think he's right, conceptually speaking.

Steve makes constant references to Force adepts as analogies for lightworkers and darkworkers (and The Force was meant as an analogy for spirituality as a whole by Lucas, IIRC; unsurprising, as Lucas worked with Joseph Campbell, who was one of the top experts of world religions), so it might be worthwhile to take a look at what The Force actually is.

Thus, I point you here: The Force - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki



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Wouldn't happen: some people become lightworkers, others become darkworkers.
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Interesting analogy. In that vein, balanced characters are clearly inferior. Remember it's a team game. The optimal choice is to have a tank, healer, rogue, and caster, all maxed out specialists, in a party, working together. I can picture that darkworkers benefit from having lightworkers around and vice versa.
Have you ever played a Druid or Shaman class? Utility classes can be VERY useful as well. As long as we're sticking to this analogy of RPG's, what Steve is saying is that specialty classes can LEVEL faster than utility classes and I'm trying to say that it's not true. I would say that while LEVELING it is probably faster to be a utility class where you can do both damage & healing while you level. If not faster, I would at least argue that utility classes level at the SAME SPEED as specialty classes.

Steve's analogy of +5 cancelling out -5 would mean that a utility class like a shaman or druid would never get past level 1. That makes no sense.

Now here's the kicker. In an RPG you have to stick with the character you picked at the end of the game. In real life, why not use a utility class to get to the highest level and at that level of consciousness decide whether to pick lightworker or darkworker or a combo of the two. You can switch in real life.
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I think that Paul has an interesting point, and I think he's right, conceptually speaking.
Thank you. Real life experience and intuition are driving my point of view. I'm glad I'm making sense to at least one person.


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Thus, I point you here: The Force - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki
Yeah, it's so cool how deep the movies actually are. I always love movies that go beyond the standard Hollywood template.

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I KNOW! That's because the universe has to be in balance, always. Therefore, why fight nature? Why not just become balanced like the universe? Why not embrace the duality of our light/dark side and use it to teach us to move to higher levels of consciousness instead of thinking that we have to pick one side or the other otherwise we'll be cancelling ourselves out.

I think that levels of consciousness are progressive, moving from 0 to 1,000 (assuming the Hawkins scale), and THIS scale we should try to move in only one direction (UP). Our light/dark side is independant of the consciousness scale in my opinion and I think it should be balanced.

By balance I mean that I would strive to both read lots of interesting books, and also write a lot of interesting articles/books. I would give of myself, and also welcome receiving. I would make lots of money and also give lots of it away, etc.

Look at Bill Gates. First he went out and made billions with Microsoft, then him and his wife use the money to give back to the world. To me, that's balance.

Look at Google. First they created an amazing product which revolutionized the way information is connected on the Internet, and then they took the company public and made billions of dollars. And they continue to do the same.

Steve, what am I missing here????
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I think we can safely say that most people here won't Polarize, I am not even sure if I will. Don't think that you HAVE to Polarize to be amongst the Personal Development elite. It just doesn't work like that.

Some of you still see "Lightworkers" and "Darkworkers" as Good and bad...but as Steve says they are just the two sides of the same coin, they are neither good nor bad. There is no such thing as Good or Bad. it is just a Human perception. A way to define the world. As such when a lightworker does something we think is bad, he is attacked for not being a Lightworker, but the truth is, if he did what he did to help everyone, then he is a LIGHTWORKER. And vice versa for Darkworker, but ultimately, as you Evolve into your chosen polarity you begin to see that Light/Darkworkers are almost the same, both help everyone, both help themselves, in fact its as if they arn't polarized at all....they seem in perfect balance. Jesus did a very Darkworker thing by selfishly allowing himself to be killed. But he did it so that he could show people how willing he was to give his life etc...etc...its all about perception.
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I still agree that polarization may not be necessarily better than a balance, but I'm convinced that impaul99 doesn't understand polarization. You're drawing far too many connections that I don't think are correct.

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Why not just become balanced like the universe? Why not embrace the duality of our light/dark side and use it to teach us to move to higher levels of consciousness instead of thinking that we have to pick one side or the other otherwise we'll be cancelling ourselves out.
Why aren't we both tall and short? Why aren't we every ethnic race? Why haven't we been brought up as a member of every culture? What's wrong with being different?

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Our light/dark side is independant of the consciousness scale in my opinion and I think it should be balanced.
The first half of that isn't disputed, neither by you or by Steve, near as I read his article.

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By balance I mean that I would strive to both read lots of interesting books, and also write a lot of interesting articles/books. I would give of myself, and also welcome receiving. I would make lots of money and also give lots of it away, etc.
You don't seem to be understanding polarization. Lightworkers would read a lot of knowledge for the purpose of giving, whereas darkworkers would write lots of interesting articles for the purpose of receiving.

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Look at Bill Gates.... Look at Google.
You're equating "intention", which is what polarization is focused on, with "action". Again. You do not know anything about Bill Gates' or Google's actual intentions. You cannot determine whether they are darkworkers, lightworkers, or somewhere in between (though they are, like everyone else, probably somewhere in between).

The reason I agree that balance may conceivably be equal to, or better than, polarization is that fear-polarization seems to be a possible counter to Lightworker Syndrome, and that love-polarization may be a possible counter to Darkworker Syndrome. Thus, by moving back and forth, you may be able to move up the levels of consciousness without being heavily afflicted by either syndrome.
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And please, for all the love in the world, stop making World of Warcraft analogies. The continual references to a game that's simpler than poker is becoming depressing. As an analogy to life, it's painfully broken. In fact, if you think World of Warcraft is a good analogy for life, read Raph’s Website » What are the lessons of MMORPGs today?
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