Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness (Blog)

[impaul99]

@ethereal: Let them do their trials. Their spirits will guide them to the truth. They want to believe that "darkworking" by polarizing with fear will lead to enlightenment so they'll find "proof" of that wherever they go. If it's not by interpreting Steve's posts to form that meaning, it will be somewhere else and there's nothing we can do but trust that their spirits will show them the path.

We don't need to worry, for worry is OUR lesson of fear we have to overcome.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by ethereal

That is why the German soldiers and Japanese kamikaze pilots still earned positive karma (dying for what they spiritually believe in), but Hitler earned a ton of negative karma. I mean, Hitler was a pretty high-level darkworker, not some half-assed one suffering from "darkworker syndrome." It is plain naivete to ignore these basic spiritual truths, verified over millenia by independent spiritual traditions.

I apologize for not understanding where you get your independently verified information, but I was under the opinion that Hitler was a lightworker.

[jamasiel]

I actually think the more interesting experiment here is the creation of the lightworker vs. darkworker concepts, putting it out here on the blog and forum,
and now people are having ardent arguments about it, demonizing one or the other, Hitler has already been invoked, etc. all because you're disagreeing over definitions that you're creating for yourselves (and myself).

Nice darkworking, Steve!

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by jamasiel

I actually think the more interesting experiment here is the creation of the lightworker vs. darkworker concepts, putting it out here on the blog and forum,
and now people are having ardent arguments about it, demonizing one or the other, Hitler has already been invoked, etc. all because you're disagreeing over definitions that you're creating for yourselves (and myself).

Nice darkworking, Steve!

Actually Steve used Hitler in one of his blogs trying to explain darkworking before it showed up in forums. He wrote, "Ask, what would Hitler do?" versus, "What would Jesus do?". Now, who in their right mind would approach a goal or problem with, "What would hitler do?"?

That just doesn't sound like good advice, does it to anybody? All you, self proclaimed darkworkers - are you sitting around asking yourself, "what would hitler do?"? Or are you darkworkers modifying Steve's ideas anyway to make it work in your own way?

I partially wonder if Steve wrote polarity hoping it would generate web/forum useage - darkworkering indeed! And does Steve try to help us understand his idea by posting in the forum? If we viewed Steve as just another forum user, how many would pick up his polarity idea as something of value? With this view of Steve, I'd think he isn't very interested in his polarity idea because he doesn't post much about it in the forum. He popped in once to say his idea was lost in all that was being posted - that it had changed into something non-related.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Actually Steve used Hitler in one of his blogs trying to explain darkworking before it showed up in forums. He wrote, "Ask, what would Hitler do?" versus, "What would Jesus do?". Now, who in their right mind would approach a goal or problem with, "What would hitler do?"?

That just doesn't sound like good advice, does it to anybody? All you, self proclaimed darkworkers - are you sitting around asking yourself, "what would hitler do?"? Or are you darkworkers modifying Steve's ideas anyway to make it work in your own way?

I partially wonder if Steve wrote polarity hoping it would generate web/forum useage - darkworkering indeed! And does Steve try to help us understand his idea by posting in the forum? If we viewed Steve as just another forum user, how many would pick up his polarity idea as something of value? With this view of Steve, I'd think he isn't very interested in his polarity idea because he doesn't post much about it in the forum. He popped in once to say his idea was lost in all that was being posted - that it had changed into something non-related.

I struggled with it, until I finally left the forums and sat quietly and figured it out and then journaled it out. After that I finally understood what it means to me. I wrote an article about it on my website and shared it here. After that, though, I see very little value (for me) in these conversations because everyone is discussing seeming totally different things. It's gotten to the point where we might as well be asking "Should I be a PooPooDingle or a DingDongPing?" and people are argueing "Hitler was definitely a PooPooDingle" and others are saying "No way, he was a DingDongPing", but it's all pretty much meaningless because the terms have not been defined properly by Steve.

I'm not saying my definitions are the right ones, as they're just my opinion, but they do leave a lot less room for misinterpretation. It's fairly simple to understand that SELFWorkers primarily focus on "fixing" themselves, and WORLDWorkers primarily focus on "fixing" the world in my model, and that as long as you put LOVE energy into either SELFWorking or WORLDWorking you will eventually reach enlightenment, but if you apply FEAR energy towards EITHER SELFWorking or WORLDWorking, you will create destruction. This way people can say "I want to primarily focus on SELFWorking" or "WORLDWorking" and either path is fine, although I advocate doing both. It's not the "mixing" of SELF/WORLD energy that dissipates your results in my model but rather the "mixing" of LOVE/FEAR energy. That to me makes a lot more sense than saying that whenever you work on stuff for the WORLD you are expressing LOVE automatically and whenever you work on stuff for your SELF you are expressing FEAR automatically. Somehow Steve's posts make that connection for most so everyone who says they want to be a SELFWorker (Darkworker) start looking at "What would Hitler do?". I would argue that BOTH SELFWorkers (Darkworkers) AND WORLDWorkers (Lightworkers) need to ask themselves the same question "What would Jesus do?"

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

[yossarian]

Hitler was a failure to everyone though, including self proclaimed Nazis. So that specific example doesnt work for anyone, even white supramacists and wannabe serial killers.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by yossarian

Hitler was a failure to everyone though, including self proclaimed Nazis. So that specific example doesnt work for anyone, even white supramacists and wannabe serial killers.

Yeah, but damn. What a public speaker. I want to be able to stand in front of a crowd and cause orgasms.

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

Yeah, but damn. What a public speaker. I want to be able to stand in front of a crowd and cause orgasms.

You could take up hypnotism

[shant121]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

What happens if you're in their way?

Well then they step over you under you and get you out of the way. You're to be ignored and damned forever unless they have a need for you again. no forgiving.

Lightworkers will forgive, if not forget.

[shant121]

Reliance Industries is the biggest Fortune 500 co. from India. A good movie called Guru depicting the life of its founder, Dhurubhai Ambani just released earlier this year.

Ambani came from a poor family and saw Reliance grow from zero in a developing country like India to a Fortune 500 co in his lifetime. His ambition was to make lots of money, make Reliance one of the biggest chemical companies in the world, which it almost is, and achieve success, by hook or crook. Reliance broke a lot of rules and regulations and got what it wanted by buying out people if necessary. Ambani was not into social service, uplifting the Indian society, providing food and education etc to people. His love and life was Reliance. He was a darkworker.

In the process, Reliance ended up providing employment to thousands and thousands of people, their stock market performance has always been awesome (in fact Reliance mutual funds are the highest growth ones in the world) and millions of Indians made lots and lots of money from trusting and trading in Reliance stocks.

As a highly conscious darkworker, Ambani recognized that he would need public funds and support to grow Reliance, he used them. And kept them happy by giving them return on investment (of stocks).

All in all, everyone won. Reliance does participate in many social causes, but that is not why the company formed. In India today, Reliance has thrown around its weight to get the government to do a lot of good things. for e.g. Cell phone services in India are so cheap and accessible, your eyes will pop out. Other big conglomerates woke up and grew in the process .

Together they are a major reason why India is such a hot market today .Many such things would not have happened, if not for Ambani and others like him. Education alone will not solve issues India faces...good leadership, dark or light, that motivates and gets people to work/grow/create is also needed.


So wrapping up (sleepy ) highly conscious darkworker = same results as highly conscious lightworker

[psp]

I wonder. Semantics, labels, thoughts - levels to climb. Darkworker / Lightworker.

Disclaimer:I did not read the original text Steve was referring to; only his post.

The cultural connotation of dark vs. light is, as someone mentioned, sith vs. jedi, witch vs. white-witch. But that's not the contextI read from Steve's blog.

Some seem to be taking Dark as equivalant to actions that one would consider immoral. If that was the case - these actions are behaviours of the lower levels and it is not a path at all. It is unconsiousness that hides right action from our perception.

Perhaps light vs. dark in this context is more about engery flow. The physcological test know as Briggs-Myers-Jung measures, among other factors, introverted vs. extroverted tendencies. This is essentially the question of where do you get your sence of energy from. Either mode is suitable for human growth - but I believe, like the LW/DW concept, it is less and less applicable once the personallity fades away - the natural consiquence of "higher levels".

As Steve indicates the truth of self and 'others' as the one is perceved at higher 'levels' - so the LW/DW paths really become the same as they travel upward.

[shant121]

You are right

[munish]

Originally Posted by yossarian

You could take up hypnotism

yossarian,
Choosing to polarize as Darkworker is a conscious choice.So it is not hypnotism.

[Akashic_Librarian]

@Ethereal:

You have very negative views about Darkworkers. Don't.

But helping yourself at the expense of humanity (darkworking)

Wrong. Darkworking is helping yourself, but not at the expense of others.

I think these things should be cross-checked with spiritual truths in all the various traditions and religions. They almost all agree on the basic tenets and principles, and they pretty much all say darkworking/lightworking are NOT the same. Makes you think, eh?

Life is the future, not the past. To believe in what is past is to embrce what is dead.

And one more thing: "I am God" is the ultimate in ego-narcissism. You are NOT God -- God is you. There is a HUGE difference. Think about it.

But...I AM God. God is not me, I am me. and "Me" is God. So...I AM GOD is actually correct. If God was me, then I would still be God. Only I would be a servant to myself. I am slave to no man nor God.

You are still free to choose, but I think it's just plain common sense to know what you're getting into. You might even be interested in seeing how Lucifer's realms (the lower astrals) work -- they have their own hierarchy, and you can join them and be a "high-level darkworker" -- but all the religions, spiritual teachings, avatars and sages have warned, "Don't go there -- you won't like it." Talk to someone who has done astral projection, or try it out yourself, if you really want to get a taste of it. Erin's blog has some articles on it.

Snor....snor...The "Lower" astral realms arn't evil. Avatars, sages, mystics, Vicars, Priests, are obviously biased lightworkers. So you can't take what they say seriously tbh. They speak from a Lightworker perspective, so have no understanding of a Darkworker Perspective...

Lucifer/Samael/Astaroth/Beilzebub call him what you will...he is just a personification of Evil, same as God, a simple human device to give faith to the fallen, hope to the hopeless. Or in Lucifers case, fear of sin. Fear, thats what you are spreading, Ethereal. Not truth. Simple fear. Fear the darkness because God-forbid you do something for yourself, God-forbid you enjoy a simple pleasure. What sort of life is that? Living in fear that your soul be eaten by the denizens of hell simpy because you enjoyed something when someone else didn't. I mean really...Life is life. Your life is your own. Rise up and live it. Or live in fear, like Ethereal says its your choice. But it really is a choice, and neither is right, or wrong. Its just a choice. Like choosing to get married or not. Its not good or bad either way. its a CHOICE.

[ethereal]

As before, I clearly distinguish between darkworking and selfworking, per Paul's definitions. Selfworking can be darkworking or lightworking, up to your "choice" as you've said. I support selfworking 100%, but not darkworking, and I think the distinction between the two is quite fuzzy and needs serious discernment.

Helping yourself not at the expense of others, is lightworking (or "good"). By helping yourself, you are helping humanity. But there are plenty of situations where you have the opportunity to help others and don't take it because it would cost you something, even if only a little time or effort -- I consider that darkworking. That's costing humanity through the choice of self-interested non-involvement, even though technically "you're helping yourself not at the expense of others".

The scale is all relative, depending on your possible choices. Darkworking is to consistently pick the ego/fear side of the scale when you actually have the choice to pick the spirit/love side. Positive selfworking is to pick what seems like the ego/fear side in appearance, but it is actually the spirit/love side in your scale of possible choices.

There is no good or bad, yes it is true. But there are choices and consequences. Naively assuming that physical life is all that is, and that there are no consequences for actions (karma), is equivalent to blindfolding yourself.

All the religions and spiritual traditions say the same thing -- don't make "bad" choices, you won't like it. They're not stopping you from doing it, because you have free will -- but they all say, "you won't like the consequences." That's why there are morals and ethics and laws -- nobody's stopping you from breaking them, but there are consequences, not only in the physical but also in the spiritual realms.

Have you actually done astral projection and looked at how it's like down there? Those realms aren't "evil" but I don't see how any sane human being would want to join those realms (or why you would persuade them to!).

I don't even know why you're bringing my supposed fears into this, as being a lightworker I'm love-polarized.

I don't care if you make these choices yourself, but please don't distort what I'm saying, for the sake of others here.

Namaste

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by ethereal

I don't care if you make these choices yourself, but please don't distort what I'm saying, for the sake of others here.

You and I know that there are negative entities who work to enslave humans, keep them weak, and use them. These people are part of life and in fact provide a valuable service by keeping us in check. Without them to exploit our weaknesses, we would often be blind to our weaknesses. Evil is a feedback mechanism that keeps us honest by exploiting our failures.

Having said this, what kind of influence would an evil entity want to have on a message board like this?

What would he spread? What would he tell people? What would he repeat?

What would his message be?

IMO it would be a message of confusion. It would a message geared to lure people towards the darkside, of course, just as lightworkers lure people towards the light. But since the darkside is naturally a side that most people naturally to want to avoid (there are 10 lightworkers per darkworker), it would also be a message distorting the reality of the darkside. It would be a message telling you that darkworking is something that it isn't.

And so I think we all need to be vigilant, and like you said, we need to test everything for truth using all the various tools available.

Personally I can understand why a certain type of person would choose to take the dark path and why that is a good choice, not just for him but for all of us. We need those dark entities always trying to exploit our weaknesses. But at the same time, the people who will be congruent with that choice, will choose that side when they have all the facts, NOT when they are confused or distorted.

Someone who wants to be a true darkworker will still want to be one once he's realized more of the facts. Once he can see that the path leads to power through domination, hierarchical power structures, and so on, he will know it is the right choice for him and follow it.

So lightworkers can serve darkworkers by spreading truth, while individual dark entities serve themself by spreading confusion.

There are self-proclaimed darkworkers on this forum, who contribute with their ideas, and it begs the question: why do they contribute? They've told us flat out that their motives are only selfish. They're making anonymous contributions and statements. Someone who is selfish would only absorb the information from this forum. They would ask questions, get answers, and not really try and give back by posting their thoughts.

Or at least, if they did post, it would have selfish ulterior motives.

Something we should all be aware of I think.

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by munish

yossarian,
Choosing to polarize as Darkworker is a conscious choice.So it is not hypnotism.

lol that was just a joke because Michael said he wanted to learn how to give people orgasms through speeches

i'm a big fan of hypnotism, anyway. I think it's a super useful tool.

[Kingston]

Originally Posted by yossarian

There are self-proclaimed darkworkers on this forum, who contribute with their ideas, and it begs the question: why do they contribute? They've told us flat out that their motives are only selfish. They're making anonymous contributions and statements. Someone who is selfish would only absorb the information from this forum. They would ask questions, get answers, and not really try and give back by posting their thoughts.

Or at least, if they did post, it would have selfish ulterior motives.

Something we should all be aware of I think.

As a darkworker I simply want to raise my consciousness. To polarize further towards service to self. I need knowledge, and this is where I get it. I make points to converge on the truth, like everyone else here.

I contribute an insight to expose it to criticism and refinement.

And what do I get out of this post? I converge on the truth by countering your point. I feel a little bit of evil satisfaction by exposing the weakness in your argument No offense intended..

No ulterior motives. Just plain, intelligent discussion.

Take care.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Darkworkers arn't, I repeat, ARN'T EVIL. Don't think your on some moral high ground for thinking your a lightworker. Does anyone remember what steve said? Only 1% of people Polarize, you can't honestly think your all Lightworkers or Darkworkers...I mean really...YOUR NOT. Your leaning towards it...but its a long time coming...not a few weeks sat in front of computer telling people you are either one...