Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness (Blog)

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

With both of the attitudes coming up in me, it feels like a "push-me-pull-you" (some kind of animal I vaguely remember from my childhood that looked like a llama I think, but it had two heads/two fronts and they can't go anywhere because each head is trying to go in the opposite direction.) It is something I feel, I don't have proof or an explanation. I just feel/observe it happening in me.

So you can feel the effect of "mixing polarities", it sounds like. I wondered if you could elaborate on the two feeling sets that are involved.

I sometimes wonder about how polarity would apply in a relationship. It occurs to me that there are concepts of givers and takers in relationships. But, also I can see that always putting the other person first is really what loving someone is. I can't imagine puttin myself first and loving someone very well, in other words.

[thestral]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I sometimes wonder about how polarity would apply in a relationship. It occurs to me that there are concepts of givers and takers in relationships. But, also I can see that always putting the other person first is really what loving someone is. I can't imagine puttin myself first and loving someone very well, in other words.

I don't see it that way at all. To me, putting someone else first will eventually lead to bitterness on the part of the giver who always puts someone else's needs first, like the husband who does the 9-5 job, with an hour commute each way, takes care of the kids, and never does anything for himself. It also can lead to dependancy by the taker which again burdens the giver.

I am in the most loving relationship, where both of us think about ourselves first. We make sure we take care of ourselves, and that is what makes us so deliriously happy together - because we don't depend on each other, instead we add to each other. I love him so much and we have the most amazing life together.

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

So you can feel the effect of "mixing polarities", it sounds like. I wondered if you could elaborate on the two feeling sets that are involved.

Well, to be honest, again, I am not certain if the "attitudes" or states of mind I am observing in myself are polarities. I have noticed them for years and they create a battle in me in relationships and I struggle to get away from the bad one. One feels very bad and leads me to feeling a fear of loss (of the person)/abandonment and depression and it sometimes creates a desperate gripping feeling in me, the other one is good, freeing and fills me with a feeling of love and sincere concern for the person and it feels warm and wonderful. Note that these are experiences I have had only in serious relationships.

I can feel when I do something, for example, from the bad state of mind, the fear one, because I can feel (an emotional) gripping in me. The gripping feeling makes me want to do something to reassure myself about the security of the relationship. The more I feel the relationship or the person slipping away, the more intense and desperate the feeling becomes. Contrarily, the feeling of love has the opposite effect. It has a light and joyful, freeing and releasing feeling, exactly the opposite of the gripping fear.

These may be reflective of each polarity, I don't know, but the way I experience them, they are really to the extreme in their respective directions and do seem to resemble the polarities (of love and fear at least).

I can add, too, that I have now listed the motives I have for the intention I made, and I concluded that I honestly can't distinguish the polarities of my motives . I tend to get very confused and lost if I try to analyze things too much. It makes it difficult to understand anything intellectually, but I don't know what to do about it. I just try. I can only make do with the abilities I have.

[shant121]

Originally Posted by thestral

I am in the most loving relationship, where both of us think about ourselves first. We make sure we take care of ourselves, and that is what makes us so deliriously happy together - because we don't depend on each other, instead we add to each other. I love him so much and we have the most amazing life together.

Very well said thestral!! thats what I've seen...although single and looking now, some of my best and most funfilled friendships are with people where we are not falling over each other to please the other. we were just ourselves and focussed on 'following our bliss'. we care a lot for each other and will help when needed. our love is unconditional. and we believe in giving the other freedom to choose, not bind or control.

[shant121]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

So you can feel the effect of "mixing polarities", it sounds like. I wondered if you could elaborate on the two feeling sets that are involved.

When I have mixed polarities in the past, I remember feeling confused, mildly unhappy with the whole deal and a feeling of compromise.

As against feeling very sure of yourself and knowing that what you did was the right thing to do....no regrets.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by shant121

Very well said thestral!! thats what I've seen...although single and looking now, some of my best and most funfilled friendships are with people where we are not falling over each other to please the other. we were just ourselves and focussed on 'following our bliss'. we care a lot for each other and will help when needed. our love is unconditional. and we believe in giving the other freedom to choose, not bind or control.

So, this being a polairty thread, are you saying darkworker polarity works best for showing love to another? That both parties are better off as takers?

All I'm saying is when one is in love you tend to think of the other person a lot, and in many cases it's the first thought. That doesn't mean I don't do what I want too - or have to have control and binding experiences. I love when someone gives to me and I give too - that kind of recepracal energy doesn't trap you and make you have lightworker's syndrome.

Anyway, I keep going back to breaking one of the axiomsof steve's polarity - that darkworker polarity is the nutshell for lightworkering. That you take care of your self and then you are able to give more to others.

Maybe being in love and recieving reflections of your focus on the other can tend towards lightworker's syndrome- especially the intense romantic type love that has attachments. Still that outflow to focus on some one else more than yourself (and you dont' have to focus too much on yourself since your partner is doing lots of that too), is what I think is a lightworker's polarity (even if I identify it with syndrome type levels)

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Anyway, I keep going back to breaking one of the axiomsof steve's polarity - that darkworker polarity is the nutshell for lightworkering. That you take care of your self and then you are able to give more to others.

That's an interesting way to put it.

In (some?) Kabbalah teachings, there is both a Tree of Life and a Tree of Death. Both trees are populated by nodes, called sephiroth on the Tree of Life and qliphoth on the Tree of Death. Translated, the former are vessels of light (God emanates from Keter, pouring light into the Tree, which is passed downward through the Four Worlds to Creation), and the latter are husks, that surround the vessels and function to protect man from the blindingly light of en-sof (God).

[shant121]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

All I'm saying is when one is in love you tend to think of the other person a lot, and in many cases it's the first thought. That doesn't mean I don't do what I want too - or have to have control and binding experiences. I love when someone gives to me and I give too - that kind of recepracal energy doesn't trap you and make you have lightworker's syndrome.

I agree with you, thats what I intended to convey.

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Maybe being in love and recieving reflections of your focus on the other can tend towards lightworker's syndrome- especially the intense romantic type love that has attachments. Still that outflow to focus on some one else more than yourself (and you dont' have to focus too much on yourself since your partner is doing lots of that too), is what I think is a lightworker's polarity (even if I identify it with syndrome type levels)

Love with attachments and expectations = trouble= lightworker's syndrome (?) OR darkworker??

[Candace]

This whole “Personal Development for Smart People” website is really aimed at that 1%. It’s not a “for dummies” site.

This is limited thinking because to have the purpose:

“To live consciously and courageously, to resonate with love and compassion, to awaken the great spirits within others, and to leave this world in peace.”

Is only for 1% of people on this forum? No way… I see this forum has great Support in the emotional mastery section and by creating controversial discussions in other threads stimulates others to think DEEPLY ~ to question, learn, discover and empower their beliefs. Outstanding work for all of us dummies!

Lightworker/Darkworker and shades of Gray.

It appears that the definition of a darkworker is the personality disorder Narcissist. And the lightworker is co-dependant… Yikes! Both negative.

Most people are not extremes but shades of Gray. The forces of negative and positive Need the duality in nature to define each other. The optimum is the typical Grayworker who has a healthy dose of both sides of the fence. I think/feel we can polarize both energies but not at the same time… just the same lifetime.

Best to define polarizing by thinking consciously and deeply on choices to be made… the consequences of cause and effect for Healing, Correcting and Improving the situation of ourselves and others. To take care of your NEEDS is to have more to give back to serve others. Selfish is to have the WANTS at the EXPENSE of others.

Darkworkers predetermine and meditate on how to manipulate the system to have their WANTS met at the EXPENSE of others. Lightworkers may stumble on a selfish want choice by man’s nature which has a varied degree of dark and light (shades of gray) and that choice becomes a “lesson learned.” I’m thinking of the average Joe ~ most of us.

I’m not sure if I absorbed Steve’s article in the way it was meant or intended ~ it is a little complicated in presentation. However, I am so grateful to have the opportunity to further define my world with deep thinking. Thank you sincerely for creating a stimulating environment to grow.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Candace:

This is limited thinking

You may thinks it limiting but when you really look at it. It isn't.

Only 1% of people are actually smart enough to grasp what Steve is really talking about. Sure everyone can understand a time management article, or how to sleep better. But the deeper, more spiritual, consciousness evolving stuff like Polarizing is harder to grasp. You have to have a certain level of understanding and intelligence. I know it sounds horrid but most people just arn't ready for this type of evolution. Only 1% of people are really ready to grow that much more. These people who arn't ready tend to rationalize their own shortcomings but saying stuff like you said, how you need a balance. Sure that looks good on a low level, but trust me, its not the right way to do things. In thoery balance is perfect. When put to practice, a balanced flow of energy is static, unmoving, stagnant.
Don't think I am saying your arn't intelligent. But maybe, you're just not ready for this yet. Like Steve says so few people are. Thats why there is so much argument about it. The small minority who do understand are trying desperately to make people understand, but those on a lower level really can't grasp it and thus resist it.

[Candace]

thank you for the insight... certainly worth consideration and compassion.

[thestral]

Originally Posted by Candace

Darkworkers predetermine and meditate on how to manipulate the system to have their WANTS met at the EXPENSE of others.

No, that is darkworker's SYNDROME. Any smart darkworker knows that stepping on people and manipulation is going to bite them in the ass at the end. This is an abundant Universe, there is no reason to take from others.

Take a mortgage broker (I'm using this example because I spent years in mortgage and know it well) who wants to be a millionaire. He had a successful mortgage business, earning him millions. He gets a cut from the loan officers under him, he gets a cut from the real estate agents. He gets a cut from the banks he sends loans to. Plus he does his own loans and gets backend deals because he is the broker with the broker's license. Let's not mention all the "perks" he gets so he'll take people's business - free trips, expensive dinners, the works.

He is on top, head honcho. But what happens if he steps on his loan officers? They take their loans elsewhere. What happens if he steps on the loan processors? They find employment elsewhere. Or the real estate agents, or their assistants, or even his own receptionist. He needs these people to make him big bucks, so he is "kind" to them. He lets the loan officers keep a slightly larget cut then other brokers in the area, so they'll continue to do business with him, and these loan officers will be motivated to go out and get more loans because they are making more money per loan. He makes sure the processors get a good salary, and benefits, and time off, because that encourages them to stay late without overtime once in awhile to rush a loan, or to go out of their way to get escrow to speed up the process. Plus, once a year, he throws a huge bash at THE resort the next county over and pays for all of his employees and their partners.

All the people working for this broker love him, and would gladly do anything he says because they feel he is treating them with respect. The mortgage broker might not give a flying frijole about a single one of those people, he might only love money, but by doing what he did, he now has a loyal "army" of employees willing to help him get richer and richer.

[Craig1129]

This thread has helped me greatly in understanding polarity but I'm still confused on several things.

I'm fairly new to much of this stuff so bear with me. I'm comfortable with the belief that we are all one and that spiritually we come from the same source/consciousness. When I first started reading PD stuff like Steve's site and Esther Hicks, it seemed that the message I got was that we chose to live on Earth to create/experience and that once we died from our human form that we would rejoin source/consciousness just like before.

However, after coming across more about raising consciousness, reaching enlightenment, karma, etc. I realize that there might be more to it. So does this mean that once we leave human form that our spirit or consciousness will be separate still because it will be at a different level of consciousness? Because then what would be the point of trying to raise consciousness on Earth if when you die you just fuse back into source fully conscious?

It would be greatly appreciated to hear thoughts about this.

[Michael Chui]

Perhaps the question to ask is, "Why did you choose to live on Earth in the first place?"

[shant121]

For the purpose of creating.

[Craig1129]

If you choose to live on Earth to create/experience then wouldn't the constant pursuit of raising your consciousness until enlightenment be somewhat counterproductive? Or is the motivation that being enlightened would create a better experience than being at lower levels of consciousness?

[shant121]

Why counterproductive? you asked some thought provoking questions...

Because then what would be the point of trying to raise consciousness on Earth if when you die you just fuse back into source fully conscious?

to learn from the experience, choose a new/different experience in the next life, to "create" new things (i.e. experience). what experience you choose to have is determined before you take the human form. and this choice determines or leads to your purpose of life on earth. that is, if you can find out what kind of experience you chose to have for this particular life, then you can find out what your purpose is. and once you know your purpose and follow it, you will achieve bliss ( or joy)

So does this mean that once we leave human form that our spirit or consciousness will be separate still because it will be at a different level of consciousness?

once we leave human form, we merge with consciousness. it seems from Abraham that our spirit will be separate. we will be in the state of allowing...without the buffer of time. so whatever experience we choose to have will manifest immediately.

that brings me (too) back to " why are we on this earth? "

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by shant121

that brings me (too) back to " why are we on this earth? "

Why don't you ask, "Who am I asking? Who can tell me?"

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by shant121

Love with attachments and expectations = trouble= lightworker's syndrome (?) OR darkworker??

I suppose it would depend on where the attachment is. If the attachment is what is motivating, i.e. fear based then it's more darkworker syndrome - that one loves getting the love back more than giving it.

But also a syndrome lightworker could be attached to wanting someone else to be happy, that the love being given is something that seems to help the other be happy and if if becomes impossible to give, it would be crushing.