I disagree, Mr Pavlina

[Hemlock]

Maybe A muse pmed something inappropriate at a mod? Or maybe one of the mods is corrupt and all the other mods are too afraid of his/her power to stand up to him/her. I mean Ssandra seems nice and I've always been a fan of her, but maybe it's just facade.

[redblacktree]

Originally Posted by James81

(you just animated me to post SPAM too)

What I found fun was animating the spam.

(The forum automatically resized the image slightly. If you click the "see full size" link, it looks like Mr. Spam is popping out at you as if to say, "Surprise!")

[machoman]

man, this thread is an entertaining read

But I think Meai's banning might had been done after sometime so that we might have more of his 'interesting' posts here.

[Daffy Duck]

He was lucky to last as long as he did.

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

And your own knowledge, understanding, sensing and perception are all processes of your own mind.

In other words, subjective.

There is definitely strong evidence that we humans have a subjective experience of the world (in fact, I think the evidence is undeniable) - but this doesn't mean the world itself is subjective.

I agree with the saying, "We are subjective beings living in an objective world," but I know this claim has some assumptions. As for the nature of the world itself, to claim it is either subjective or objective is to make a claim based upon many assumptions/guesses.

Even to say something like "you live in a subjective reality" is based on an assumption that your reality is the same as my own. How do I really know if your reality is subjective? We can truthfully only speak of ourselves, and even then we're probably assuming some things.

In the end, I don't think our human minds are capable of really understanding the universe entirely. We're very smart compared to other animals on this planet, but ultimately we are tiny creatures on a tiny planet in an enormous Universe. I think all of the knowledge we have of everything is just barely scratching the surface of everything there is to know.

[bright]

Originally Posted by Meai

Look this is getting slightly out of hand:
First of all: Why in the world do you conclude that this approach will work in any way for others just because Erin happened to see your changed behaviour and conclude that she wanted to do the same. In fact, this is highly unlikely. Most people won't notice and won't care. They will feel that you are mocking them by cleaning even more.
I hope you didn't do this "experiment" when you guys were freshly in love. In that period, I guess, any partner would do anything.

Drawing the conclusion that "all" (I know he doesn't say it, but it's implied) external stuff can always be solved by internal changes is just ridiculous at this point.

I agree with you 100%. There was a time when Steve used to write about useful stuff like productivity, marketing, goal setting, etc, i.e 'personal development'. Sadly, lately he's turned a little weird with all these subjective reality posts, so I barely read his blog now apart from checking once or twice a month in case he has a good post up.

Also, not many people here are going to appreciate your posts, reason and logic are not valued highly here when it comes to the paranormal/subjective reality, and asking for 'evidence' is like a sin. Probably not a very good use of time to argue/debate with them

[bright]

Originally Posted by Meai

Every answer but one was:
1, besides the point
2, didn't even try to address the point.
3. didn't show any sign of having understood what the point is.

Just a normal day in Steve Pavlina forums...

[beautyscientist]

If you are reading this Meia, I think it is a pity you have been banned, though I don't know the full story so I will respect the moderator's decision. This forum is very well moderated and the level of debate is extremely high as a result, so I am certainly not going to complain.

I tend to agree with you. A lot of what Steve says about this subjective reality notion is crazy and I will never subscribe to it myself. But I have to say that it does give him some amazingly good ideas which he turns into very interesting and thought provoking posts. I have learned a lot on here from him, and from the people who post on here who have been attracted by Steve's unique view of the world.

I suggest you hang around and take what you can from it rather than challenging it. I don't think there is the remotest chance you will win Steve round to a more conventional view. But if you did, we would all be deprived of a unique voice.

[bright]

Originally Posted by beautyscientist

But I have to say that it does give him some amazingly good ideas which he turns into very interesting and thought provoking posts...I don't think there is the remotest chance you will win Steve round to a more conventional view. But if you did, we would all be deprived of a unique voice.

I doubt that, in fact his earlier posts when he ran the video game company were far better/more useful than the ones he's been writing lately

[beautyscientist]

Originally Posted by bright

I doubt that, in fact his earlier posts when he ran the video game company were far better/more useful than the ones he's been writing lately

I agree that his earlier posts were more directly useful to me personally, but now that has written them there isn't much point in writing them again.

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by Meai

Your lack of interest in discussing this shows the behaviour of a man who believes, but doesn't know and is scared to know.

Your interest in discussing this shows the behaviour of a man who is banned