Homosexuality

[Andwan]

Steve, one subject I've never known you to tackle, is the one regarding homosexuality. I know Erin has a blog on the subject, but I wanted to ask you specificly. Being an African American male, I found the lattest homosexual scam by Pastor Eddie Long interesting. Im sure if he admits to being involved in homosexuality, he'll attend one of thoes sexual rehabilition courses... What I want to know is this..Do you believe in ex gay programs? Do you believe that sexual orientation can be changed, simply by will, especially for thoes, who suffered sexual abuse as a child?

[Andwan]

Oh come on Folks..Ex Gay...Possible/Impossible

[Mounds]

I had a fair size post typed out and I just deleted the whole thing. Here's why:

My argument is invalid. I have absolutely no basis for what I was going to say since I have never attempted to change my own sexual orientation and I'm not homosexual. It's kind of like me posting about rape when I've never been raped The following is just my non-expert opinion.

I've never made a conscious decision to be attracted to women and I've heard that homosexual people don't make a conscious decision to be attracted to the same sex. I think it's sad that there is even such a thing as sexual rehabilitation programs. That suggests that there's a problem, which in my view is a humongous pile of hooey.

-Tim

[Undercurrent]

Homosexuality was there earlier also as when getting the opposite sex was difficult. When the dick of a person swells and he wants a girl but when he does not get he even rubs his **** against even the man there. If two grown up boys sleep together in the same bed they are likely to join their *****. It is not common.
Homo-sex is not

[90802]

Originally Posted by Andwan

Steve, one subject I've never known you to tackle, is the one regarding homosexuality. I know Erin has a blog on the subject, but I wanted to ask you specificly. Being an African American male, I found the lattest homosexual scam by Pastor Eddie Long interesting. Im sure if he admits to being involved in homosexuality, he'll attend one of thoes sexual rehabilition courses... What I want to know is this..Do you believe in ex gay programs? Do you believe that sexual orientation can be changed, simply by will, especially for thoes, who suffered sexual abuse as a child?

Hi Andwan, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this topic, please share:

1. Do you believe homosexuals can be converted?
2. If they can be converted, should they be?
3. Do you believe homosexuality is wrong?

As far as these camps...I am assuming you are straight. Can you force yourself to be turned on by men? When did you decide that you preferred women instead of men? Is it something you have to think about?

I actually know a guy that's a self-hating homo. He's a good looking muscular guy that would have no problem meeting women. As a matter of fact, he spent years having sex with women, trying to convince himself that he's straight.

It didn't work.

The guy is now in his late 30's and just coming to terms with his sexuality. His father disowned him when he came out. He tried to make himself straight but couldn't.

Hey, I forgot my point

I'll leave you with this. A journalist went undercover into a straight camp. This is his story

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by 90802

I'll leave you with this. A journalist went undercover into a straight camp. This is his story

I nearly burst out laughing when I read the author's name....


Ted Cox

[90802]

Originally Posted by Mounds

I nearly burst out laughing when I read the author's name....


Ted Cox

Hey, the pastor mentioned in the OP also has a potential porn name...Eddie Long

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by 90802

Hey, the pastor mentioned in the OP also has a potential porn name...Eddie Long

ROFL, this is too good... I can see it now.

"Long. Cox. In...

Straight Camp

[90802]

Originally Posted by Mounds

ROFL, this is too good... I can see it now.

"Long. Cox. In...

Straight Camp

Ahh brilliance, pure brilliance. I wonder if it will outsell Anal Pool Party #42

[Mounds]

I'm wondering two things now...

When is Anal Pool Party #43 coming out?

Why do all my posts turn into conversations about gay porn?

[90802]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Why do all my posts turn into conversations about gay porn?

Not that there's anything wrong with that Now I'm going to have to research your post history to see how bad it is.

Ok, maybe we should start the 90802 and Mounds Morning Zoo in another thread so we can put this topic back on the rails.

[stewartM]

Originally Posted by 90802

He's a good looking muscular guy

*cough* can I get his number?

As to the OP, being gay isn't a choice, if it was why would i take the path where i would be disowned by my family?

[Cochonette]

That article is hilarious. The "Guide" has an erection during an asexual bonding! LMAO!

[Chris_1977]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Why do all my posts turn into conversations about gay porn?

That is because of your face pic.

[Andwan]

Originally Posted by 90802

1. Do you believe homosexuals can be converted?
2. If they can be converted, should they be?
3. Do you believe homosexuality is wrong?This is his story

1. Actually, yeah I do...If people (monks) can train themselves (maybe train isnt the best word to use) to be celibate, why cant a homosexual train themselves to be the same....I know you asked if they can be converted to hetersexual, but in my opinion, I would assum that once the homosexual tendecies are dropped, heterosexual ones will take it's place...
2. If a person is gay and want to be straight, than yeah, they should persue it...I don't understand why anyone would assum that a "Straight Camp" causes people to become reclusive and depressed...Like I said, if Nuns and Monks can become celibate and be perfectly ok with it, so can a homosexual...Actually, I would go on and say that if a person becomes depressed because they arent able to express themselvess sexualy, than maybe its time to do something about the overactive libido in the first place....
3. I don't know if homosexuality is wrong...Im a christian and God said all things are lawful, but not all things are beneficial...When it comes to interpreting this scriputre, Im incline to believe that God doesn't care what choices we make, its just that not all choices we make are benefiting us....One thing about homosexuals is that they have a sterotype of being child molesters, and over sexed freaks....In some cases this is true, not to mention the flamboyances that is displayed by gay men, and the masculine nature that is displayed by gay women....Further more, it always appears that homosexuals who behave this way always have a negative agenda...They are obsseded with their bodies, clothes, gossip, and sometimes violence (especailly for gay women...It seems they believe that being a man means being violent...)....

[Dukie]

Originally Posted by Andwan

1. Actually, yeah I do...If people (monks) can train themselves (maybe train isnt the best word to use) to be celibate, why cant a homosexual train themselves to be the same....

Because celibacy (refraining from all sexual acts) is not the same as changing your sexual preference (since you keep having sex either way) - it's just completely different.

Originally Posted by Andwan

One thing about homosexuals is that they have a sterotype of being child molesters, and over sexed freaks....In some cases this is true, not to mention the flamboyances that is displayed by gay men, and the masculine nature that is displayed by gay women....Further more, it always appears that homosexuals who behave this way always have a negative agenda...They are obsseded with their bodies, clothes, gossip, and sometimes violence (especailly for gay women...It seems they believe that being a man means being violent...)....

Are you living in the same world as me?

I'm not even going to try to debate this, but this is just all wrong. It's like you're making a joke

You really need to make some gay friends and experience all those belief and sterotypes don't apply to real life.

Also, about homosexuals being child molestors? You perhaps haven't been following the news recently. There have been some reports about a couple of thousand priests molesting children during the past dozens years. I would be more worried about those

Still, I'm sure most priests don't molest children

[stewartM]

Originally Posted by Andwan

1. Actually, yeah I do...If people (monks) can train themselves (maybe train isnt the best word to use) to be celibate, why cant a homosexual train themselves to be the same....I know you asked if they can be converted to hetersexual, but in my opinion, I would assum that once the homosexual tendecies are dropped, heterosexual ones will take it's place...
2. If a person is gay and want to be straight, than yeah, they should persue it...I don't understand why anyone would assum that a "Straight Camp" causes people to become reclusive and depressed...Like I said, if Nuns and Monks can become celibate and be perfectly ok with it, so can a homosexual...Actually, I would go on and say that if a person becomes depressed because they arent able to express themselvess sexualy, than maybe its time to do something about the overactive libido in the first place....
3. I don't know if homosexuality is wrong...Im a christian and God said all things are lawful, but not all things are beneficial...When it comes to interpreting this scriputre, Im incline to believe that God doesn't care what choices we make, its just that not all choices we make are benefiting us....One thing about homosexuals is that they have a sterotype of being child molesters, and over sexed freaks....In some cases this is true, not to mention the flamboyances that is displayed by gay men, and the masculine nature that is displayed by gay women....Further more, it always appears that homosexuals who behave this way always have a negative agenda...They are obsseded with their bodies, clothes, gossip, and sometimes violence (especailly for gay women...It seems they believe that being a man means being violent...)....

Erm yeah right


1. I would assum that once the homosexual tendecies are dropped, heterosexual ones will take it's place...

Lots of assumption there...

2. if a person wants to be straight perhaps they need to think about why they want to be 'straight' and why this makes a difference to them

3. is just that, a list of frankly insulting stereotypes...

[seanmichael87]

YouTube - Gay Education

[Andwan]

Originally Posted by Dukie

Because celibacy (refraining from all sexual acts) is not the same as changing your sexual preference (since you keep having sex either way) - it's just completely different.

Yea...You should of read on...Im well aware of the difference

[Andwan]

Originally Posted by stewartM

Erm yeah right


1. I would assum that once the homosexual tendecies are dropped, heterosexual ones will take it's place...

Lots of assumption there...

If you stop doing something, something else will have to take its place...Would I had been more accurate if I had said the homosexual would of developed an attraction towards animals, or children? You're right, its an assumption, but like I said, the entire reason for this post was to consider the idea of transiting from homosexuality to heterosexuality..Perhaps if the person loses their desire for the same sex, they'll lose interest in sex altogether, without developing an attraction to the opposite sex.....

[secrets0stolen]

Originally Posted by seanmichael87

YouTube - Gay Education

LMAO! Loved the last part "Except for maybe Bob Jone's University in South Carolina" (<--went to summer camp there, can testify it's a nut house)

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by Andwan

If you stop doing something, something else will have to take its place...Would I had been more accurate if I had said the homosexual would of developed an attraction towards animals, or children? You're right, its an assumption, but like I said, the entire reason for this post was to consider the idea of transiting from homosexuality to heterosexuality..Perhaps if the person loses their desire for the same sex, they'll lose interest in sex altogether, without developing an attraction to the opposite sex.....

Doubtful. If you made a conscious decision that you would no longer be attracted to women, how do you think that would turn out? Could you see yourself becoming attracted to men, children or animals since you are no longer attracted to women? Could you see yourself becoming celibate even though you don't want to?


-Tim

[stewartM]

Originally Posted by Andwan

If you stop doing something, something else will have to take its place...Would I had been more accurate if I had said the homosexual would of developed an attraction towards animals, or children? You're right, its an assumption, but like I said, the entire reason for this post was to consider the idea of transiting from homosexuality to heterosexuality..Perhaps if the person loses their desire for the same sex, they'll lose interest in sex altogether, without developing an attraction to the opposite sex.....

No you would not be more accurate.

You seem to be very interested in this subject, is it perhaps more personal that you might admit?

[Chris_1977]

Originally Posted by Andwan

If you stop doing something, something else will have to take its place...Would I had been more accurate if I had said the homosexual would of developed an attraction towards animals, or children? You're right, its an assumption, but like I said, the entire reason for this post was to consider the idea of transiting from homosexuality to heterosexuality..Perhaps if the person loses their desire for the same sex, they'll lose interest in sex altogether, without developing an attraction to the opposite sex.....

You are confusing two things. There is (1) the feeling of attraction (2) what a person does with this feeling. If you stop doing something (2), something else will have to take its place.... Well, since some time was freed up, yes, this could sound more or less reasonable. But we are in realm (2) here, so that does not mean anything about what the person is going to feel attraction towards (1). The most likely assumption is that we end up with a person who still feels same-sex attraction but is no longer acting on it.

[Undercurrent]

In fact homosexuality has currency across all sections, ages and classes.

When one does not get the opposite sex partner he is inclined to have it with the same sex. My uncle molested me.

Now it has become a fad and people fashion the idea of screwing the same sex partners.

I for one choose the opposite sex partner for ****ing though as a child I want to make a bold statement that I secretly enjoyed the act of sex by my own uncle.

But now I have a wife and I enjoy sexing with her more though I have passions for other women too if I have the chance of getting them, speaking truly and openly.

[dulaney0330]

I believe homosexuality is the result of something going wrong; imbalance whether biologically, emotionally, and parenting has the biggest influence. In addition, a person's unique personality traits will either offset this imbalance or add to it.

I believe conversion is rare simply because its difficult for human beings to change and habits are long-lasting.

[JSB]

Originally Posted by dulaney0330

I believe homosexuality is the result of something going wrong; imbalance whether biologically, emotionally, and parenting has the biggest influence. In addition, a person's unique personality traits will either offset this imbalance or add to it.

I believe conversion is rare simply because its difficult for human beings to change and habits are long-lasting.

That doesn't explain why it's been repeatedly observed in many animal species, and across all human cutlures.

It appears that a certain percentage of a population is simply born homosexual.

[dulaney0330]

Originally Posted by JSB

That doesn't explain why it's been repeatedly observed in many animal species, and across all human cutlures.

It appears that a certain percentage of a population is simply born homosexual.

Appeal to nature fallacy.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by JSB

That doesn't explain why it's been repeatedly observed in many animal species, and across all human cutlures.

It appears that a certain percentage of a population is simply born homosexual.

Are there studies where they've found that animals will choose a same-sex partner over an opposite-sex one? I have the impression that homosexual behavior in animals is opportunistic.

[SethWilliams]

Hmm. I find it odd that Steve hasn't replied to this thread.

As someone who's attracted to guys as a guy I don't think I could just stop finding them attractive.

I get the idea that when everybody is talking about "attraction" they're simply just referring to sexual attraction. But it is more than that.

I fell for my bestfriend in school, and it wasnt because of his looks or anything. I just had a really great friendship with him, and after a few years it just happened.