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gloci · 09-15-2010, 10:54 PM

I'm trying to change my default beleifs about reality. I want to think that reality is subjective and that this is a dream. I can grasp this state for about 15-30 minutes or so at a time, but large crowds i.e. being in the school corridors and attractive women tend to throw me off it a bit.

I love being in this state aswell, I have practically no fear and feel much happier

Does anybody have any tips on how to make it my default way of thinking?
One idea I had was hourly reminders of 'you're dreaming' on my phone.

VinceG · 09-15-2010, 10:58 PM

Hourly reminders is great. The two biggest problems are:

1) Remembering. Which is why the iPhone updates are great.
2) The mental drain. Thinking this way all the time is hard and will drain you by the end of the day.

Acting Like Godot · 09-16-2010, 06:58 AM

There is no transfer from objective to subjective.

There is only a transfer from subjective (and unaware of it), to subjective (and aware of it).

ButterflyWoman · 09-16-2010, 09:11 AM

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Does anybody have any tips on how to make it my default way of thinking?

Just practice. When you find yourself slipping into OR, gently come back to SR. The more you do this, the more it will become habit to think of things from the viewpoint of SR.

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One idea I had was hourly reminders of 'you're dreaming' on my phone.

That could work. Incidentally, that's also a technique used to help induce lucid dreams. You get into the habit of asking yourself if you're dreaming. The idea is that you do this so frequently that it starts to show up in your dreams, and when it does, you have the opportunity to awaken inside the dream.

Works in material reality, too.

gloci · 09-18-2010, 06:31 PM

I think I'm gradually applying this mindset more and more in my life now- and that's without the reminder

James81 · 09-18-2010, 08:00 PM

Why limit yourself to reality JUST being a dream?

gloci · 09-19-2010, 11:21 AM

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Why limit yourself to reality JUST being a dream?

Okay... And what could be better than this being all a dream?

munish · 09-20-2010, 12:59 PM

I think the new perspective is not subjective dream world , it is Subjective Objectivity.

If you think of yourself as a dreamer , you try to create spectacle . That is why Steve dropped this Subjective Reality perspective after 30 days trials.

In Subjective Objectivity perspective Good Constraints are the turning points of the story.So purposeful constraints must be there for you to exist.

Summerbreeze · 09-20-2010, 04:43 PM

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I think the new perspective is not subjective dream world , it is Subjective Objectivity.

If you think of yourself as a dreamer , you try to create spectacle . That is why Steve dropped this Subjective Reality perspective after 30 days trials.

In Subjective Objectivity perspective Good Constraints are the turning points of the story.So purposeful constraints must be there for you to exist.

Ok, what is the difference between SR and SO?

I mean that there are parts which can't be easily changed we already knew before? Steve even mentioned at one time that he sees objectivity inside the subjectivity paradigm.

munish · 09-20-2010, 05:17 PM

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Ok, what is the difference between SR and SO?

I mean that there are parts which can't be easily changed we already knew before? Steve even mentioned at one time that he sees objectivity inside the subjectivity paradigm.

In Steve's own words

SO is -

It means knowing you're dreaming, understanding the kind of dream you'd really love to experience, and then creating and enjoying it fully.

SR is

You are the dreamer, and that is where the problem starts as you start to focus on creating Spectacle.

In SO, life is a story with purposeful constraints.

Whereas in SR there are no constraints.

SlicK · 09-20-2010, 05:46 PM

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Does anybody have any tips on how to make it my default way of thinking?

Just keep focusing on it. Do not think that there is some magic trick to instantly make you "A-HAAAAA!". That moment will come after you "rewire" your subconscious.

So there you have it. Want to get somewhere? Focus on the destination.

Summerbreeze · 09-20-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by munish

In Steve's own words

SO is -

It means knowing you're dreaming, understanding the kind of dream you'd really love to experience, and then creating and enjoying it fully.

SR is

You are the dreamer, and that is where the problem starts as you start to focus on creating Spectacle.

In SO, life is a story with purposeful constraints.

Whereas in SR there are no constraints.

AH thanks, the terms are a little bit confusing, my SR definition implied constraints. But it is hard to find them out

James81 · 09-21-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gloci

Okay... And what could be better than this being all a dream?

Did you come up with an answer to this yet?

cylon · 09-21-2010, 08:05 PM

The way you phrased your original question made it sound like you were the one with the better alternative, so I think you're supposed to answer that one.

James81 · 09-22-2010, 02:32 AM

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The way you phrased your original question made it sound like you were the one with the better alternative, so I think you're supposed to answer that one.

I've got some answers, but they really work a lot better if you answer them for yourself. That was kinda my goal with that question, actually.

cylon · 09-22-2010, 02:39 AM

For me I don't see it as being "just" a dream because being a dream is pretty impressive in itself. Much more impressive than when I thought it wasn't a dream. When it's not a dream, everything is chance, chaos, kind of plain and boring. When it becomes a dream and you start seeing how you are creating it, for me it's hard to not be fascinated and completely blown away by how "big" that really is.

Not a dream=small, insignificant life.
dream=gigantic, amazing life. Like Disneyland on steroids.

gloci · 09-23-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by James81

Why limit yourself to reality JUST being a dream?

Ok well maybe it could be some kind of epic video game where my mind is the controller and I create the game

James81 · 09-23-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gloci

Ok well maybe it could be some kind of epic video game where my mind is the controller and I create the game

That sounds a hell of lot funner than being in a dream.

(Watch the movie Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.)

gloci · 09-23-2010, 05:01 PM

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That sounds a hell of lot funner than being in a dream.

(Watch the movie Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.)

Yeah!

Ok will do. Just watched the trailer for it there. Looks cool

09-15-2010, 10:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
gloci Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Longford, Ireland Posts: 238	The Transfer from Objective to Subjective I'm trying to change my default beleifs about reality. I want to think that reality is subjective and that this is a dream. I can grasp this state for about 15-30 minutes or so at a time, but large crowds i.e. being in the school corridors and attractive women tend to throw me off it a bit. I love being in this state aswell, I have practically no fear and feel much happier Does anybody have any tips on how to make it my default way of thinking? One idea I had was hourly reminders of 'you're dreaming' on my phone.

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munish Family Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,065	purposeful constraints I think the new perspective is not subjective dream world , it is Subjective Objectivity. If you think of yourself as a dreamer , you try to create spectacle . That is why Steve dropped this Subjective Reality perspective after 30 days trials. In Subjective Objectivity perspective Good Constraints are the turning points of the story.So purposeful constraints must be there for you to exist.

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VinceG Family Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,703	Hourly reminders is great. The two biggest problems are: 1) Remembering. Which is why the iPhone updates are great. 2) The mental drain. Thinking this way all the time is hard and will drain you by the end of the day.

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Acting Like Godot Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,613	There is no transfer from objective to subjective. There is only a transfer from subjective (and unaware of it), to subjective (and aware of it).

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cylon Family Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,852	The way you phrased your original question made it sound like you were the one with the better alternative, so I think you're supposed to answer that one.

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cylon Family Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,852	For me I don't see it as being "just" a dream because being a dream is pretty impressive in itself. Much more impressive than when I thought it wasn't a dream. When it's not a dream, everything is chance, chaos, kind of plain and boring. When it becomes a dream and you start seeing how you are creating it, for me it's hard to not be fascinated and completely blown away by how "big" that really is. Not a dream=small, insignificant life. dream=gigantic, amazing life. Like Disneyland on steroids.

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