Help understanding what Steve means

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

You said that the only awareness is the one perceieved. See that's where I have a lot of trouble believing in all this, because I perceive my awareness...I know that I am real! This world may be an illusion, but I'm not. I think, feel, and I have beliefs. I am aware of my surroundings, aware of other minds, aware of my thoughts.

You also said: "When awareness sees an ego cry, it knows it is a projection of itself, it can look within it's primary personality and see the pain there too. The crying person is a projection of a part of itself." But when I see crying people, I don't think of them as simply projections. I actually believe that they have sorrow, they are feeling pain, and I help them because I have compassion.

I believe in some aspects of subjective reality, I just have a hard time believing that everything, including my mind aren't real.


I don't mean to be rude at all, so I'm sorry if it came out sounding like that.

you didn't.

They do feel sorrow, they do feel pain, because you believe it. They do have emotions, you are just the only one who is aware of it.

The world is no less or more real than your feelings and thoughts.

The people are not projections of the primary personality, but of awareness/consciousness.
Things are reflected in each other. Your feelings in events, your thoughts in experiences.

If 'real' means something you can experience and see evidence of, then 'real' is whatever you believe.
If 'real' means that which just is, that which always is... then the only concept that is real is awareness itself.

if you are aware of people, then they exist. As whole people.

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

I promise I will stop bugging you after this, and I will stop asking questions. But could you explain the term "primary personality or ego"?

it is the one you now identify with. Named SecretSeven. The personality, body and mind that you think is what you are. Before you believe in subjective reality.

You don't have to make such promises

thank you for joining, peacefulmind

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

I read that in subjective reality everything is a manifestation of my thoughts. So when a war occurs, it is my responsibility. So, if I wanted to stop it I would have to focus my thoughts on it. But since there are 6 billion people, and they all have thoughts and intentions, then how could I be the one that manifested it?

Look at what Peaceful mind quoted in the post just before this question of yours. #178 "you’re the only intender". There is only one intender.

The thoughts they have are the ones you/consciousness thinks they have.

[SecretSeven]

Ok but if I get annoying you can just stop responding lol, I'll understand.

Ok, so I (secret seven) am the primary personality, because that is who I indentify with. I understand that.

Before you identified with consciousness, was your primary personality Shindra?

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

Ok but if I get annoying you can just stop responding lol, I'll understand.

Ok, so I (secret seven) am the primary personality, because that is who I indentify with. I understand that.

Before you identified with consciousness, was your primary personality Shindra?

I don't yet identify as consciousness, not quite, I am still only thinking about it as I've said will notify when I truly change my beliefs (to be more than 'I think', to be something I've chosen to 'know' as real).
Once I've changed my identity/beliefs, Shindra will still be my primary ego, the one I can control the best (directly, physically). I just won't identify with it.

[SecretSeven]

Shindra,

Have you tried intention manifestation? What things have you tried manifesting, and have you had lots of success? I tried it the past couple of days, and it seems to be working.

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

Shindra,

Have you tried intention manifestation? What things have you tried manifesting, and have you had lots of success? I tried it the past couple of days, and it seems to be working.

I've had very direct results.
One time, I was listening to a radio show, and focusing on something I really wanted the host to say - without remembering intention manifestation, so when the subject was suddenly changed (it was completely unrelated to the main subject) and the host said that, I was surprised

Then there was one time I imagined manifesting something out of thin air. Well, I haven't yet made myself believe that things manifest out of thin air, so I created the next best: an hour later, a friend pointed that exact thing out in a catalogue - it was normally something too expensive for me to buy, but it was on sale there. And it was not a normal thing for my friend to point out advertisements to me.

I had a phase in my life where I often had feelings of worthlessness and fear, and whenever I got to know someone well on the internet (where I had most of my friends), it turned out they were a victim of abuse.

I've known about thought-creates-reality for many years. I once switched schools and heard there was another newcomer there, and I intended for us to be friends, and though I was very shy, synchronicities happened and the other newcomer approached me, without prompting, and had interests and personality similar to my own and we clicked.

My financial status has always been good, so I haven't done anything drastic there. Other than always believing that there would be enough money.

I intended to find a logical explanation for everything, and stumbled right into Steve's subjective reality. I thought about it for a month or so, understood it intellectually and thought "so why haven't I chosen it yet?" and voilá, I see that Steve has just posted a new blog post titled Polarize - the problem was that I didn't know what the choice really was.

My life is filled with patterns of focus and belief.

Things like these, they make me believe.

[SecretSeven]

Sounds like it's really working for you....I just started the manifestation technique about a week ago. So far, everyone of my intentions have come true. I first heard about it on oprah, and thought that if so many people believed in it then it must be true! I hope it continues to work, it would be a huge dissapointment if the past week just turned out to be a bunch of coincidences. Well anyways, I came up with three intentions for the weekend, and so far one has already come true

[peacefulmind]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

Sounds like it's really working for you....I just started the manifestation technique about a week ago. So far, everyone of my intentions have come true. I first heard about it on oprah, and thought that if so many people believed in it then it must be true! I hope it continues to work, it would be a huge dissapointment if the past week just turned out to be a bunch of coincidences. Well anyways, I came up with three intentions for the weekend, and so far one has already come true

That’s great, I am new to intention manifestation as well, it doesn’t seem to be working for me though. How do you send out your intentions?

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by peacefulmind

That’s great, I am new to intention manifestation as well, it doesn’t seem to be working for me though. How do you send out your intentions?

what you believe and focus on becomes your reality, not only your intentional 'intentions'. The good and the bad. It has been so all your life. It is never 'not working'. See how you have, and are, manifesting what you already have, and you will learn more about the process from your own experience.

Change your beliefs.

To powerfully intend something to happen is to simply believe, state, "it shall be so."

If you have doubts or contradictory wants, those will sabotage you.

Find ways you can stretch your current beliefs. Don't choose something that seems too far out. Focus on an improvement of your situation that you can believe in.

Do you believe you are good and money bad, or the other way around? Or do you believe money is a good thing and you are worthy of them, and that your life is filled with abundance? Do you believe you are lucky or unlucky? Do you believe life is easy or hard? Do you believe you will get what you want?
And most of all, are you truly motivated to choose what you want? Or are you just choosing to want it?

If you think "I want this, why don't I have it?" then you will experience wanting it and not having it. If you think, "I look forward to this, I wish for this and I know it will happen in my reality," then you will get it.

[peacefulmind]

Originally Posted by Shindra

what you believe and focus on becomes your reality, not only your intentional 'intentions'. The good and the bad. It has been so all your life. It is never 'not working'. See how you have, and are, manifesting what you already have, and you will learn more about the process from your own experience.

Change your beliefs.

To powerfully intend something to happen is to simply believe, state, "it shall be so."

If you have doubts or contradictory wants, those will sabotage you.

Find ways you can stretch your current beliefs. Don't choose something that seems too far out. Focus on an improvement of your situation that you can believe in.

Do you believe you are good and money bad, or the other way around? Or do you believe money is a good thing and you are worthy of them, and that your life is filled with abundance? Do you believe you are lucky or unlucky? Do you believe life is easy or hard? Do you believe you will get what you want?
And most of all, are you truly motivated to choose what you want? Or are you just choosing to want it?

If you think "I want this, why don't I have it?" then you will experience wanting it and not having it. If you think, "I look forward to this, I wish for this and I know it will happen in my reality," then you will get it.

Thanks for that, very helpful. One thing that concerns me is how to change my beliefs because Steve says that with holding an intention long enough it will become a belief but he also says that if you hold an intention that conflict with your beliefs then those intentions will not manifest. I ask this because I think that some of my beliefs are working against my manifestation ability, such as the belief that life is hard.

[Kingston]

Originally Posted by Shindra

Ah. I think the feelings exist in the depths of awareness as *possibilities*.

The function of the mind is to forget and make assumptions, to make the illusion. The shifting of emotions would then be the forgetfulness of the 'emotion-mind', of the 'heart'.

Have I answered your questions? Have I applied SR to the concepts as you wanted?

This is very clear to me now, and glad you were able to pinpoint feelings in this model.

And Steve cleared up the love thing in his last post. I'm a happy camper! I might be able to experience a higher level in the near future.

Thank you Shindra for the insights. Now I have to get back to darkworking for some time. After a few months I will report my results!

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by peacefulmind

Thanks for that, very helpful. One thing that concerns me is how to change my beliefs because Steve says that with holding an intention long enough it will become a belief but he also says that if you hold an intention that conflict with your beliefs then those intentions will not manifest. I ask this because I think that some of my beliefs are working against my manifestation ability, such as the belief that life is hard.

Think of an easily successful life. Feel how it would be to have it. Focus on it throughout the day. When you have thought that goes against it, replace it with the best opposite thought you can believe in. "I'll never get enough money" "Money is everywhere. There are thousands of ways to make money."

If there is a belief higher in the hierarchy of beliefs than the level your intention is at, then it will not work. For example, "I am so lucky I'm going to win at everything in this casino, every time" would be cancelled by "the laws of mathematical probability cannot be broken."
So then you'd place your intentions higher up in the hierarchy, and start working on that - "the laws of probability are subject to my intentions. They bend to my luck."
But if you had some thought that bending the laws of probability would be bad, you wouldn't be able to hold that intention, because you'd sabotage yourself. And if it seems too wild, too far out, you wouldn't be able to do it either. You could then work with "The chances for winning this are 1/1000. That 1 out of 1000 is now. I'm going to win this now, I'm going to get that 1/1000 lucky strike." Though something arbitrary like that is actually likely to be more difficult than a more transitory changing of beliefs. You'd need good motivation. You'd have to be clear there was nothing bad and everything good about winning that.

The key is really motivation. To be motivated, use a polarity. Either be all about love and gratitude, or all about power and greed.

If you make a pure choice, "I choose this, it shall be so," then it will happen. You have to be absolutely clear to jump something like that. Do you believe you deserve an easy life? Does a hard life give you something, anything, that might be important to you, that you have to be sure you get in the easy life too?
What are your higher beliefs? Is life survival of the fittest? "There is enough for everyone". Is suffering necessary? "I've had enough suffering, I can choose to end it any moment. Suffering is not the point of life."
"Life was only hard because I thought it was. Life is really subject to my beliefs." See the connection. See your power. And then you'll see, "oh, I can just choose to keep in mind that life is easy. That's easy."

Unless you believe changing your mind is hard... Think of something completely unrelated to the subject at hand, right now.
There, you changed your thinking. Easy
Unless you don't really *want* to think that way, unless there's a contradictory want. "I want life to be challenging" "Hard work is the only thing that gets you anywhere" "If people see my life is hard, they will care more about me." Have challenge in your hobbies. Realize there are lazy ways to success. Care about yourself. "If my life becomes easy, my friends will be jealous." Give to your friends, share your success with them. Or stop caring about them.

When you *really* have a genie in a bottle, stand face-to-face with it, you might see you were not really sure you wanted this or that.

You can use creative observation, focusing on the positive, seeing positive momentum, observing the moment and your memories with a positive bias, to do a more 'soft' belief-change.

Also ask, why do I want this? For example, nobody really wants money - numbers and peices of paper. It's about what you want to spend the money on.

Don't fight your negative beliefs. Accept them. It's not so bad. In any case, you can still change it. Then dismiss your negative beliefs. Have fun, don't struggle. Trying is not doing, pushing against negative beliefs only makes you feel and experience them more - and not allow yourself to see why you still have them.

There, I think that's all you need to know. It's what brought all of my success.

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by Kingston

This is very clear to me now, and glad you were able to pinpoint feelings in this model.

Good then Thank you.

Originally Posted by Kingston

And Steve cleared up the love thing in his last post. I'm a happy camper! I might be able to experience a higher level in the near future.

He did? He did. Oy. I don't understand (er, clearly.) I need to think about this.
I think I need to consult with my dark side.

Originally Posted by Kingston

Thank you Shindra for the insights. Now I have to get back to darkworking for some time. After a few months I will report my results!

Great. Hope you'll send me a private message when you do so I don't miss it.

[Shindra]

Now I think I've figured something out. I connected with my Dominator and meditated on the question, to see why a Dominator in the end acts quite like a love-polarized, how SR fits, how much a Dominator gives to get.

Dominator can get to a certain level when everybody are worshipping it. But it would need some higher-conscious people to organize it's empire.
Someone who is of high consciousness can supply a Dominator (really too important a person to not be spelled with capital D) with more power.
So they can get to a certain level with suppressing people, but to really get high up, they'll want their empire filled with high-consciousness people. All supporting all's power. Two (and from that logic, an infinite number) Dominators could live together by not interfering with each other and using each other in business transactions that increased the power of themselves. They would appreciate each other's contribution to their own cause in the same way they appreciated their own direct power.

It also seems pretty clear that the key to adopting SR is to use one, and only one, polarization for that task. 'Polarized problems solving'. I thought I knew that before, but I didn't really know it before I saw today that you can use *either* polarization.

If I were to do it with love, I'd use transcendence on the resistant parts of myself. I'd show compassion towards them, assure them that their needs would be taken care of in SR. As I gave love, the fear would disappear. I've experienced this. For example, the purpose of fear within me is to feel safe (run and hide), though unless I *give* it/myself that feeling of safety, I'll just keep feeling afraid and unsafe. I make that feeling of safety rise within me from me, as I am Source, awareness/consciousness.

To go into SR as a Dominator, use those feelings. That intense 'arrogance'. I am immensely important. I am awareness. Awareness is immensely important.
Imagine what it will be like to apply dark-polarization to SR. And get clear that SR would fulfill all your needs as a dark force.
To fill all of your egos with power. To raise them in high awareness, like building both this and that muscle of your body.

It is the one that is more important than anything else, *and* there is nothing else, all is consciousness.

So ultimately the goal of both polarities would be to increase the level of consciousness of all. Love-polarized would also contribute to the state of the empire. There is no conflict.
For everybody else who also didn't get it before now, I post this.

Knowing more about Dominator, I feel I know more about *both* polarities. I have raised my awareness, my wisdom.

Thank you Kingston. This has been a most profitable interaction.


P.S.
I have no idea what to choose right now
But at least I am happy as I can see both possibilites clearly. Both feelings (thinking of Love or Dominator) are fulfilling.

[Shindra]

I could rewrite everything now. Good thing one has the right to be wrong.

[smk2652468]

Hey, I appreciate what you wrote there because rationality is Steves number one basis for most of his theories, and I believe you brought a lot of rationality into his statements. There, may, however be a different point of view you have to look at whats being said rather than several different point of views.

For instance, with subjective reality, the only creator is you, so anything brought into your life is a subject of what you are thinking and believing. You said that as a result, I should not be able to think. But the theory of subjectivity cannot be disproved just cause I say I can think, becaue you have no proof that I can or cannot.

So the argument should stop there becaues it cant be proven. So what are the benefits of subjetive reality? Well, you dont have to ever worry about what someone else is thinknig or doing because everything and anything you do is your creation, so why bother worrying about what someone else has as an intention when all that matters is urs?

Benefit being, you take responsibility upon urself for everything, and honestly, it really works.

[mysterygal]

"Well, you dont have to ever worry about what someone else is thinknig or doing because everything and anything you do is your creation."

That's where I get confused. Other people obviously think. They have feelings thoughts emotions, and they are therefore equal "creators" of this reality. So everything isn't a creation of your thoughts. Everything is a creation of everyone's thoughts. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that we are all creators?

[pensatortoise]

Recently I've been reconsiling something that came to my pen in hand with

As above, so below; as below, so above.'" --THE KYBALION

I usually look at that as two statements that are saying a similar thing. I had never really looked at it as ONE 4 step statement.

Blessed is one, if extra light, comes thru the basement of their being. We build illusion of confusion.

(As above)
Eyes gather and the clouds of attitude confuse.

(so below)
This is the light we send to the mirror of our subjective basement.

(as below)
Somehow a light a tiny bit greater than our reflection shines back to illuminate our world of objectivity.
(so above)

Yes blessed we are. One should be thankful for light when they cast shadow upon the mirror. Somewhere, WAY down there, in the sub-basement of our being is the one.

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; man and female created he them."

[mysterygal]

Wow I'm confused.

[pensatortoise]

As above
"So God

, so below;
created man in his own image

as below,
, in the image of God

so above
created he him; man and female created he them."

[mysterygal]

oohh that's makes sense...

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by mysterygal

That's where I get confused. Other people obviously think. They have feelings thoughts emotions, and they are therefore equal "creators" of this reality. So everything isn't a creation of your thoughts. Everything is a creation of everyone's thoughts. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that we are all creators?

No, as I understand it, that's not right. From a SR POV, no one has thoughts, but you. You are consciousness, you are the only one aware. You create everything including your physical body/mind. SR places the real you, the true you, as the container for everything.

I find the dream analogy helpful to grasp SR.

Many people here at Steve's forum are curious and furious about SR, some feel enlightened, some feel like it's sending them crazy. I suggest that if anyone has any interest in SR they read Steve's Q&A repeatedly and this thread (especially Shindra's posts) unitl it sinks in or you lose interest.

Also SR is a big leap if you've never experienced it before, so don't expect an immediate realisation, it may happen, but even Steve says it took him a long time to fully understand and integrate it.

And finally if SR is making you feel unhappy, unstable or angry, I strongly suggest you stop thinking about it. SR is a way to look at your reality, it's a belief about how things could be for you, it's supposed to help you.

Power to the the Max

[SecretSeven]

Ok thanx

It is a little hard to graspe, but I think with time it'll be easier to understand.