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[SecretSeven]

Steve seems like a pretty nice guy. Reallly down to earth, but I've found a lot of contradictory statements. Here are a few:

1.

He said: " The reality is that you are indeed the only one who’s conscious. There’s only one consciousness, and that is your real identity. Everything else exists within you. That’s why you perceive only one consciousness. That’s the only consciousness that exists." In this post he says that I am the only one conscious.

Yet in another post he says:" I regard myself simply as consciousness and awareness."

So, who is the real consciousness? Is it him or I?

2.

When asked how many subjective realities there are he said:

"There can be only one. Subjective reality centers around consciousness, and that consciousness is the real you. There are no other people “out there” having their own subjective experiences. There is only you. And your subjective reality is the only one there is."

Yet at other times he says that he has a family, children, and lives within his own subjective reality. So, is he really conscious or is he just a manifestation of my consciousness?

3.

Another discrepency I have is when he said the following: "Everything that exists is a manifestation of you. This perspective takes growth to a whole new level, since now you are able to decide what kind of universe you wish to create."

What I don't understand is this: If he is conscious, and I am conscious and we are both manifesting, then who manifested the world? Me or him?

There are lots more, but I'll save them for another time. What do you guys think of all this? Your thoughts and ideas would be great.

Thanks

[Savage]

You'll find lots of these types of contradictions in my writing because I don't subscribe to a fixed point of view. Some articles are written from an objective perspective, while others are written from a subjective one.

I don't connect my identity with my beliefs, even though it's very common to do so these days, so in my mind I'm neither a subjectivist nor an objectivist. Both are merely perspectives. I explained this in Podcast #13.

Why do I write articles from different perspectives? Because some people need objective help, while others need subjective help. It's impossible to help everyone if I hold a fixed perspective, since any one perspective has major blind spots.

[SecretSeven]

Thanks a lot for your response. I have a question. I've searched through your podcasts, and had trouble finding the answer I'm looking for. What happens when two people in the world have conflicting intentions? Would one cancel out the other? Also, I'm confused how we could change reality in it's entirety. How could I (one person), send out an intention to end poverty and expect a result, if millions of people are sending out the opposite intention?

Thanks again,

Krista

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

How could I (one person), send out an intention to end poverty and expect a result, if millions of people are sending out the opposite intention?

You can start by ending poverty in your life. If you believe that there is any redeeming quality in being poor, you can't help the world overcome that. If you feel guilty if you're not poor, then you can't help the world over that.

Work on yourself first. Once you overcome your own "poverty thinking", you automatically begin to affect the whole world around you.

Don't worry about what millions of people are intending, because you have no control over that. Your control is over your own intentions, so grab a hold of those first. If, for example, you have a poverty mindset 90% of the time and an abundance mindset 10% of the time, work on improving that.

First start with that and the world will change. If I'm wrong, and you've got a 100 Million dollar net worth and the world still needs fixing, then at least you'll be able to hire me for $5 Million/year to look for a better solution.

I'm only half-joking too.

[BettyBoo]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

What happens when two people in the world have conflicting intentions? Would one cancel out the other?
Krista

As far as I understood this subjective reality Steve is talking about, those two will both get the thing they want in their own reality. Which is a great thing you must agree, if it were true. And what I also concluded is that Steve doesn't know if its true, but thinking it is true, is making him happier and in control.

(I think I got the theoretic part, its just that making it real for me is a little harder to do.)

[SecretSeven]

Yes, but what happens if people had opposite intentions? So, lets say that one person had an intention to get a promotion, and the other person had an intention to get that promotion...who would get it?

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

Yes, but what happens if people had opposite intentions? So, lets say that one person had an intention to get a promotion, and the other person had an intention to get that promotion...who would get it?

Steve has written that there is only one subjective reality, so two people don't have intentions to get a promotion, there is only one consciousness that has intentions. So if two people want a promotion, there is a conflict within that consciousness.

If there's more than one consciousness, the strongest intender wins and the other becomes doubtful. If both have equally strong intentions... I see no way to account for that. Maybe one would get a job-offering of a similar status in another company, but that seems a bit of a cop-out. If they both intend to get the specific same job-position... I don't know.

[Scott H Young]

SecretSeven,

The problem isn't Steve's contradictions, it is your own.

If you subscribe to subjective reality then Steve doesn't exist insomuch as he is a part of your consciousness. He might say that he does, but if you truly follow subjective reality then that is simply a projection of your own belief that he has a consciousness.

Subjective reality is an interesting concept because it is logically soundproof. You can't disprove it because any evidence you try to weigh against it can be said to support it.

[eternomi]

Originally Posted by Shindra

Steve has written that there is only one subjective reality,

Originally Posted by Scott H Young

Subjective reality is an interesting concept because it is logically soundproof.

I am not sure where you guys got all that certainty...

From:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...-or-awareness/

He said:

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

I’m not certain the subjective model is 100% correct, but I am convinced it’s far more accurate than the first model.

Not to mention, right above:

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Why do I write articles from different perspectives? Because some people need objective help, while others need subjective help. It's impossible to help everyone if I hold a fixed perspective, since any one perspective has major blind spots.

So let's not bend the truth and pretend he said things which he did not. He said S/R is more accurate than O/R, but it is not necessarily the ultimate model of reality.

Instead of blindly ingesting others' beliefs, I suggest you do your own thinking as well.

[SecretSeven]

[QUOTE=Scott H Young;58230]SecretSeven,

The problem isn't Steve's contradictions, it is your own.

If you subscribe to subjective reality then Steve doesn't exist insomuch as he is a part of your consciousness. He might say that he does, but if you truly follow subjective reality then that is simply a projection of your own belief that he has a consciousness.

QUOTE]

Yes, but we all know that steve is more than just a projection of my consciousness....he exists whether I am thinking about him or not....so if you believed in subjective reality then you would be saying that I am just a projection of your thoughts....and although I wouldn't be able to prove it to you, I know that I am more than just a projection of you and that I am conscious. So, in a sense, subjective reality has to be flawed. Maybe we all have to reconsider subjective reality...it couldn't possibly be true because it would completely disregard everyone's existence.

If subjective reality were true...than who's reality would it be? Mine, yours, Steves....?