Synchronicities all over the place!

[James81]

Originally Posted by katetty

It is sooo laughable ...!
Let me show you that you there were no any mystical 'syncronicities':

What are the chances that if you see move X you will later see something, which can be perceived as synchronicity?

These chances are almost 100% (no wonder you got 'syncronicities' with "about 28 out of 30 films" ). There is no need to invent any irrational 'syncronicities'.

It is easy to see.
Let's say in move X there were 10000 words, 10 different actors, 10 places, 10 names, 5 pets, 3 car models, ....., 3 gestures, 2 books, ..., 2 cocktails, ..., 2 items of cloths, ...., 2 font types in titles, ..., 1 handkerchief, ... - you see this list can be endless - but let's say there were 10000 unique identifiable objects.

It is almost guaranteed that you will see any 1 of these 10000 objects in any other movie/tv-program if you switch the channel and watch it for some time!

Is it clear, or should I generalize and prove this using probability theory and taking into account the number of words in a vocabulary, typical movie script and typical tv-program?

The trick with 'syncronicities' is that you do not count probabilities correctly and what you think has very low probability in fact has very high probability, if you take into account an enormous number of all possible things/events which can take part in 'syncronicity'.

Ah, so synchronicities threaten you in some way.

[katetty]

lol, not sure why I'm responding to this but oh well...

If I'm watching a film called Hyde where the film is based on Dr. Jekyl and Mr Hyde, and I switch it off and Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde is on TV... that's a synchro.

Or if a lead actress has only been in 2 films, one I'm watching and the other is on TV as I switch off the film, then that's a synchronicity.

Those are the two examples I used previously.

You're just saying that if there was a shoe in a film, which there always is, and then after the film I go to the closet and see my shoes that that's a synchro.

The obviousness of the difference in weighting and how you don't immediately see that should be the reason why I no longer reply to anything you say from now on as you are most likely suffering from some kind of mental disability. Which is fine, there's places for people like you but an intelligent discussion is not one of them.

LOL ... poor little man, trying to proof his hypothesis using "obviousness" as an argument, speaks about "intelligent discussion" ... ha-ha-ha!

P.S. No offense, here is your mental disorder: Remote Diagnosis Disorder

[secrets0stolen]

Originally Posted by James81

Ah, so synchronicities threaten you in some way.

That's what I was thinking

[cylon]

Originally Posted by James81

Ah, so synchronicities threaten you in some way.

That or there's a love-hate thing going on. I hate you, but I can't leave you. Every time I try to leave a synchronicity discussion they keep pulling me back in!

[Lionman]

Originally Posted by katetty

LOL ... poor little man, trying to proof his hypothesis using "obviousness" as an argument, speaks about "intelligent discussion" ... ha-ha-ha!

With all that manic laughing, you sound like the wicked science witch of the west or something!

"Bwaaahaha poor little man ha-ha-ha, want an apple?"



--I've already eaten, but thanks!

[NSS]

One of the creepiest things I ever experienced was when Steve posted "You are receiving a LOT more money now" a month or so back. Of course it could have been a coincidence but I dunno, something is definitely true about this subjective reality/we are all one thing and I've been reading everything I can about this.

[katetty]

Synchronicity = Coincidence.

If not, try to get synchronicities "with the spin of a wheel - with the roll of the dice" .

Oh, you now you say it is an intention-manifestation task, which is hard to get?

C'mon people, don't invent new words, it is so simple:

Synchronicity = Coincidence.

With all that manic laughing, you sound like the wicked science witch of the west or something!

There is a hint:

[Lionman]

Your cartoon is a reference to a hoax machine built to play chess. It fooled people, but it was uncovered by Robert Willis that there was actually someone inside.
Wiki (The Turk was a fake robotic chessplayer with someone inside the machine)

While on the surface you may identify with Robert Willis (the skeptic uncovering the hoax in your cartoon), you are actually infact the false automaton/robot in the story.

Because lots of people here have the view that the classical structured chess-like rules of the world are not quite what they seem. There's the view that there's consciousness behind the seemingly robotic processes of reality.

In this way, you represent robotic structure which is an illusion (the automaton/hoax machine) which is threatened by us (Robert Willis) uncovering synchronicity which shows there's consciousness (the person behind the machine) inside the hoax robot (reality).

Clever. Thanks to whatever inspired you to post that for identifying itself, even though you probably had not been aware of it in that way

[Summerbreeze]

@kattey:

I understand your doubts. it is hard to grasp that our perception can change the world in which we live in, im going trough this thing.

yes, even with the SR belief i could it explain with the subconcious or with selevtive perception, don't get me wrong i had a lot before i finally surrendered.

One turning point was, as i saw the movie inception in cinema - a film about lucid dreaming.

I had no wristwatch i had a mobile phone which i kept in my pants pocket (i know not good for healthy sperms).
I looked twice at the clock one time 22:22 and the other time 23:45 ok might be not so likely but still okay.
The next day the same thing i looked at 12:22 and 12:34 on the clock.
I didnt know why - its like an subconcious intention, like "oh i forgot my pizza in the oven."(maybe more subtle)

Ok now you could tell my subconcious was counting the seconds or that through telepathy there is flow of information, but that doesnt't change the matter that there a very obvious syncros.

i can tell such stories alot, where it is very obvious and unlikely.

If you don't believe it is not fatal, i don't feel offended, but question yourself why you hace a concioussnes, how could that make biologically sense, or beeing on a planet outter space, how does it intuitively feel, is there only you mind or are there feelings and intuition, that make you somehow dual, both not satified?

Be aware and concious, its the way to more truth, whatever it is for you

[katetty]

Clever. Thanks to whatever inspired you to post that, even though you probably had not intended it that way.

Oh my, I see that you really dislike smart people, don't you?
I feel sorry that the vast majority of people around have inferior intelligence and mental disorders - thus you have no choice but to infer the same about all other people you can communicate with. Change your attitude.

lots of people here have the view that the classical structured chesslike rules of the world are not quite what they seem.

Unfortunately, lots of people here are wrong and the world does play by "classical structured chesslike rules". Classical rules means physics and probability theory. Go educate yourself.

[Lionman]

Now everything you say is going to sound like it's coming from the illusory robot trying to defend itself from having its consciousness discovered!

You really shouldn't have posted that cartoon

Ok I'm done with you now, but it was fun, cheers!

[katetty]

Wow, consciousness argument! Consciousness is the final frontier, after which all pseudoscience with its magical thinking will look utterly miserable.

Amazing, but removing tiny 310 cubic millimeters from your brain's centromedian nucleus makes your all-powerful consciousness suddenly disappear.

More trivial trick with bottles of scotch may temporarily reproduce that effect on your almighty consciousness.

Consciousness is a product of brain physiology. And that's all there is to it.

[James81]

Originally Posted by James81

Ah, so synchronicities threaten you in some way.

Actually, upon second thought, I'm gonna say troll instead.

[marinik]

Originally Posted by katetty

Disprove me

Why would we want to do that?

[katetty]

Ah, so synchronicities threaten you in some way.
Actually, upon second thought, I'm gonna say troll instead.

Actually, I did notice what you may refer to as 'syncronicities' but I totally reject any mystical explanation.

Lionman mentioned consciousness, (thanks to whatever inspired him to post that, even though he probably had not intended it that way and, unfortunately, even today not everything is known about consciousness, but it doesn't mean there should be a mystical explanation of this phenomenon.

[James81]

Originally Posted by katetty

but I totally reject any mystical explanation.

It's not an either/or thing.

You can believe in synchronicities without making it mean there's a Purple Hephelump in the sky making it happen.

[Summerbreeze]

Originally Posted by katetty

Wow, consciousness argument! Consciousness is the final frontier, after which all pseudoscience with its magical thinking will look utterly miserable.

Amazing, but removing tiny 310 cubic millimeters from your brain's centromedian nucleus makes your all-powerful consciousness suddenly disappear.

More trivial trick with bottles of scotch may temporarily reproduce that effect on your almighty consciousness.

Consciousness is a product of brain physiology. And that's all there is to it.

so you believe in nothing that can not be objectively prooved?

Would you use for xxx$ an ouji-board on a cementary every day a for a month and call demons to posess your body or are there some intuitive blockades?

where does this fear come, if you know it is fictional, is it only conditioning?
so you could do it anyway because you have your "better-knowing" mind?

Or is a bit of the feeling, that the xxx$ aren't worth it if it is true ?
To what extend is the feeling true, is it only dumbness and conditioning?

Would you do it? Serious question.
And not doing it for feeling silly is not the relevant point.

Do you gain more from western psychology or did you ever have occupied yourself with eastern psychology/spirituality? (they believe in subjective reality too)

[katetty]

Would you use for xxx$ an ouji-board on a cementary every day a for a month and call demons to posess your body or are there some intuitive blockades?

No, I would not. I am not yet 100% free from "eastern psychology/spirituality" and thus some placebo effect (or in this case, nocebo) effect may take place.

And yes, I don't believe in anything that can not be objectively proved. Call it Objective Reality 999-day trial

By the way, Steve, nice idea to have at least 30-day trial of Objective Reality and blog about it!

[Summerbreeze]

Originally Posted by katetty

No, I would not. I am not yet 100% free from "eastern psychology/spirituality" and thus some placebo effect (or in this case, nocebo) effect may take place.

And yes, I don't believe in anything that can not be objectively proved. Call it Objective Reality 999-day trial

By the way, Steve, nice idea to have at least 30-day trial of Objective Reality and blog about it!

ok, i respect your point of view i think you try beeing honest, no more questions ;-)

[James81]

Originally Posted by katetty

No, I would not. I am not yet 100% free from "eastern psychology/spirituality" and thus some placebo effect (or in this case, nocebo) effect may take place.

And yes, I don't believe in anything that can not be objectively proved. Call it Objective Reality 999-day trial

By the way, Steve, nice idea to have at least 30-day trial of Objective Reality and blog about it!

I thought of you tonight when I got the weirdest little synchronicity I've had in a while, I think.

I just discovered tonight that a girl that I've been friends with for about a year now...her daughter's birthday is on Oct. 6th. Which just so happens to be MY birthday...and my dad's and my uncle's and my aunt's and my little 6 year old second cousin's.

I think this is a perfect example of something that does not fit your description of what a sychronicity is.

I won't go into details about why it's a sychronicity (that's a more personal matter than I want to share right now), but I was literally shocked when I discovered it.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by katetty

No, I would not. I am not yet 100% free from "eastern psychology/spirituality" and thus some placebo effect (or in this case, nocebo) effect may take place.

Would you say your time here then is a way to help yourself remove the rest of your doubt? I think if you were 100% free the beliefs you see here wouldn't bother you that much, because you'd be... free. Over it.

[katetty]

Would you say your time here then is a way to help yourself remove the rest of your doubt? I think if you were 100% free the beliefs you see here wouldn't bother you that much, because you'd be... free. Over it.

Absolutely, it is an attempt to find something that does not fit into objective reality mindset and can not be explained rationally. No luck so far

[cylon]

Originally Posted by katetty

Absolutely, it is an attempt to find something that does not fit into objective reality mindset and can not be explained rationally. No luck so far

What is the value in seeking something you do not wish to find?

[katetty]

What is the value in seeking something you do not wish to find?

Wrong implication in your question - I do not have any wish, either to find or not to find. If something unexplainable objectively exists and is observed then I may begin to doubt the objective reality world view. First - observe, second - begin to question objective reality, not the other (quite popular) way around.