A Challenge: Science in Subjective Reality

[Jeff Lilly]

Take the subjective reality perspective, and consider the following:

1. Traditionally, physics is considered the hardest and most basic of the sciences. Then comes chemistry, biology, etc., until you get to psychology and then the social sciences. But from the subjective reality perspective, the most basic science would be psychology -- because the world arises from your thoughts and feelings, conscious and subconscious. Physics would be that branch of psychology that deals with the illusion of interaction with a physical world. What are the implications?
2. What is the status of the discipline of mathematics? Does the study of mathematics have a different meaning in subjective reality? Or is it pretty much the same field? ...What does that say about the relationship between mathematics and psychology? Between mathematics and physics?
3. What is the scientific method, in subjective reality? What does it mean if a bunch of 'dream characters' agree on an observation? Is peer review and duplication of results at all useful? On the face of it, the answer seems like 'no' -- but a closer examination of the nature of these 'dream characters' might reveal otherwise.

I have some thoughts, but I'm very curious to hear what people think. :-)

[Lionman]

Hi there,

1. Interesting perspective. I suppose you could say that physics is a form of psychology in that it's a way we perceive our environment.

2. Deep question that frankly boggles my mind.

3. Biocentrism

[Beyond Answers]

Psychology is the "why" and physics is the "how." Especially as you get into quantum physics, and on the other end of the spectrum astral physics.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Beyond Answers

Psychology is the "why" and physics is the "how." Especially as you get into quantum physics, and on the other end of the spectrum astral physics.

Now that is a subject worth blogging about! By a scientist...

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lilly

Take the subjective reality perspective, and consider the following:

1. Traditionally, physics is considered the hardest and most basic of the sciences. Then comes chemistry, biology, etc., until you get to psychology and then the social sciences. But from the subjective reality perspective, the most basic science would be psychology -- because the world arises from your thoughts and feelings, conscious and subconscious. Physics would be that branch of psychology that deals with the illusion of interaction with a physical world. What are the implications?
2. What is the status of the discipline of mathematics? Does the study of mathematics have a different meaning in subjective reality? Or is it pretty much the same field? ...What does that say about the relationship between mathematics and psychology? Between mathematics and physics?
3. What is the scientific method, in subjective reality? What does it mean if a bunch of 'dream characters' agree on an observation? Is peer review and duplication of results at all useful? On the face of it, the answer seems like 'no' -- but a closer examination of the nature of these 'dream characters' might reveal otherwise.

I have some thoughts, but I'm very curious to hear what people think. :-)

Honestly...

The subject of subjective reality is such nonsense in my opinion that even posing such questions simply encourages the followers. It's beyond me what gain people are getting out of it other than swimming in the tide of Steve's blog. When he has moved on and is blogging about objective reality or viewing the world through the lens of an octopus or whatever other lens he chooses- it will be interesting to see how many others are even talking about SR! Like the Pied Piper of Hamelin!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

It's beyond me what gain people are getting out of it

It's..... FUN!

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Angela

It's..... FUN!

It's Daft! Why don't we just call this a fun entertainment forum and drop any pretence that it's for PD!!!!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Why don't we just call this a fun entertainment forum and drop any pretence that it's for PD!!!!

Where's the scientific proof that fun entertainment isn't personal development?

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Angela

Where's the scientific proof that fun entertainment isn't personal development?

Well, of course fun is important. But you don't need different lens to work that out!

[James81]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Honestly...

The subject of subjective reality is such nonsense in my opinion that even posing such questions simply encourages the followers. It's beyond me what gain people are getting out of it other than swimming in the tide of Steve's blog. When he has moved on and is blogging about objective reality or viewing the world through the lens of an octopus or whatever other lens he chooses- it will be interesting to see how many others are even talking about SR! Like the Pied Piper of Hamelin!

What is your escape plan?

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by James81

What is your escape plan?

What is the specific question you want answered?

[James81]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

What is the specific question you want answered?

You call yourself "escapeplan," and I want to know what your escape plan is.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by James81

You call yourself "escapeplan," and I want to know what your escape plan is.

Oh I see- initially it was inspired by an escape of employment. Now that's done it can apply to other things I want to "escape". No lectures please on an "escape" mindset or whatever- it's just a phrase!

Generally my approach is more in line with Steve's saner articles like overwhelming force and direct solutions to problems!

[xfactor]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Honestly...
The subject of subjective reality is such nonsense in my opinion that even posing such questions simply encourages the followers. It's beyond me what gain people are getting out of it other than swimming in the tide of Steve's blog. When he has moved on and is blogging about objective reality or viewing the world through the lens of an octopus or whatever other lens he chooses- it will be interesting to see how many others are even talking about SR! Like the Pied Piper of Hamelin!

I think subjective reality is a view on the world that has the right to exist. However, I also think that the concept of SR is much deeper than the one people discuss on this forum. I believe that the world is not separate from us, that somehow we're all connected to our environment but it would takes years of meditation and studies to realize what this is all about.

Here, the people are mostly seeing the world as their personal dream and others as their projections, but this is obviously not true because if it was our dream we would be able to influence it and we can't. I think such perception does not enrich us in any way. On the contrary, we lose the ability to learn and grow if we think this is all just our dream, because what's the point?

So, to sum it up - I believe in the Conscience, but I don't believe my world is just my dream that I'm free to play with. It may be a dream, but surely not mine - and the real dreamer probably wants me to learn something.

[catalyst]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lilly

Take the subjective reality perspective, and consider the following:

1. Traditionally, physics is considered the hardest and most basic of the sciences. Then comes chemistry, biology, etc., until you get to psychology and then the social sciences. But from the subjective reality perspective, the most basic science would be psychology -- because the world arises from your thoughts and feelings, conscious and subconscious. Physics would be that branch of psychology that deals with the illusion of interaction with a physical world. What are the implications?
2. What is the status of the discipline of mathematics? Does the study of mathematics have a different meaning in subjective reality? Or is it pretty much the same field? ...What does that say about the relationship between mathematics and psychology? Between mathematics and physics?
3. What is the scientific method, in subjective reality? What does it mean if a bunch of 'dream characters' agree on an observation? Is peer review and duplication of results at all useful? On the face of it, the answer seems like 'no' -- but a closer examination of the nature of these 'dream characters' might reveal otherwise.

I have some thoughts, but I'm very curious to hear what people think. :-)

1) There is a gravity on this planet, whether or not one chooses to believe it or not.

2) Mathematics states 1 + 1 = 2. There is an absolute right and wrong. In SR, nothing is wrong - everything is morally equivalent. Everything is a compromise.

3) I think this is like asking, where is the scientific method in religion?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by catalyst

1) There is a gravity on this planet, whether or not one chooses to believe it or not.

The above statement shows that you do not actually know what gravity is.

2) Mathematics states 1 + 1 = 2.

Except when the equation is vectorial.

[darksage3]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

The above statement shows that you do not actually know what gravity is.



Except when the equation is vectorial.

Are you polytheism Brother? Just wondering that is all, you dont have to answer if you do not wish to.