More??? (Subjective Relationships)

[TiffyLove]

After reading Steve's post it left me wanting more. I just feel like something for me at least was either missing or not enough of.

I particularly resonated with the part of the blog when Steve was discussing how he seen other people as characters of his dream (part of him). I would love to hear more about that. Not just about Steve's experience but anyone else that can add to this.

[roxyruby]

I know how you feel, he can never write enough helpful/inspiring stuff! ^ ^

[TiffyLove]

I would also LOVE to hear how anyone proposes how we deal with things that we dream that we wish to let go or not to be part of our dream?

For instance if we encounter a character who is rude, disrespectful, or even hurtful, that is within the dreamer or he couldn't create that character. So how would you then heal that within the dreamer in order to reduce those characters or experiences within the dream?

[roxyruby]

Originally Posted by TiffyLove

I would also LOVE to hear how anyone proposes how we deal with things that we dream that we wish to let go or not to be part of our dream?

For instance if we encounter a character who is rude, disrespectful, or even hurtful, that is within the dreamer or he couldn't create that character. So how would you then heal that within the dreamer in order to reduce those characters or experiences within the dream?

Be the opposite of those things to your self? be kind, respecting, and caring to your self, and kind, respecting, and caring to the character?

[carenkh]

Originally Posted by TiffyLove

For instance if we encounter a character who is rude, disrespectful, or even hurtful, that is within the dreamer or he couldn't create that character. So how would you then heal that within the dreamer in order to reduce those characters or experiences within the dream?

Steve posted this in the article 30 Days of Inspiration:

Another thing that happened is that some TLC friends shared some subjective manifestation stories of their own with me, stuff that was beyond what I’d experimented with on my own. For example, Joe Vitale shared the story of Dr. Hew Len, a therapist who cured a hospital filled with mentally ill patients without ever seeing them. If you believe the story, this sort of healing is tough to explain objectively, but it makes perfect sense if reality is in fact a subjective dream world. If you want to learn more about this therapist, go read the article The World’s Most Unusual Therapist, or read Joe’s book Zero Limits. I’ve already started testing some of these ideas, and some curious results are beginning to show up. It’s becoming increasingly difficult for me to regard other human beings as separate and distinct from me now.

Dr. Hew Len practices ho' oponopono, which can help reconcile these 'negative' aspects of yourself.

[Andreas]

Originally Posted by TiffyLove

After reading Steve's post it left me wanting more. I just feel like something for me at least was either missing or not enough of.

I particularly resonated with the part of the blog when Steve was discussing how he seen other people as characters of his dream (part of him). I would love to hear more about that. Not just about Steve's experience but anyone else that can add to this.

I get where you're coming from. And let's not forget, Steve was intentionally vague at one point to protect the identity/free will of a certain person.... is "playmate" a good word?

That in itself is an interesting development, but add to that his radically different perspective during this trial, and it really makes me curious to see what's next.

I'm going to say what everyone is thinking (or something): This has been the most entertaining trial he's ever done, and the most enlightening too...



Actually... oh my god.

Okay this is weird. And I'm not sure how anyone will take this, but my gut says this is okay to share.

I just remembered that I had a dream last night that I saw Steve's website stats, and that they were going down since May. Down to 1,400,000 visitors a month in May or something, but ever since he started this trial, it's over 2,000,000 again. Which is very strange because I never have dreams like that.

Weird dream!

Seriously, a stats program? I want to have flying dreams. Clearly I need to have a talk with my unconscious...

Okay where was I? Right, there are still a few loose-ends in this dream story though. (i mean the big one, not my dream per se) For instance, I'm still quite curious as to what emotionally painful thing from his past Steve was processing 2 weeks ago. I wonder if we'll still find out what that is...

[Savage]

I'd love to write and share much more about this. So much has happened in this area that I haven't blogged about.

I've already written thousands of extra words about this topic this week, but I had to post them in my private journal instead of the blog.

The #1 issue here is privacy. In order to really share the full depths of what's going on, I want to be as honest and open as possible, and that means sharing intimate details of my emotional journey, details that involve other people.

I'm comfortable sharing this level of detail publicly, but apparently my dream characters aren't. Going into the depths of why that's so would take an article to explain properly, but it is what it is.

If I can't share certain aspects of the emotional journey because it's too much for a dream partner to handle, then I'd feel stunted in blogging about it, like I can't really be as emotionally honest as I'd like to. So what I do in that case is write what I'm inspired to write, just as if I were writing a blog post for all to read, and then I save it my private journal instead of posting it online. I gain a lot of new insights from the writing, even if I never publish it.

I wrote a 3500-word entry this week, edited and ready to publish, and I think it's some of the deepest stuff I've ever written. Most of it was about sharing my emotional journey of connecting with a woman as if she were a dream character, for several hours. But I can't feel good about sharing it because she doesn't feel good about that, even though I did my best to include no personally identifying info. I guess I can understand why she wouldn't want to see that kind of detail posted publicly, but I'm still sad about it because I think it would stimulate tons of really deep discussion on the nature of relationships. I'm not going to go against her wishes though. If she doesn't feel good about posting it, then perhaps some part of me must be wanting to hold back as well. At the moment I don't see why.

On the other hand, this experiment is giving me more clarity about what I want to experience in this area. I'm realizing just how much I dislike privacy and secrets. I should never be given a security clearance.

I feel I could do so much more with this if I could connect with at least one woman who could handle being totally exposed in terms of what we're thinking and feeling while exploring a dream world style of connection. I don't need to personally identify her, but I'd love to be able to share the full depths of what I experience with her mentally, physically, and emotionally when we connect in person, without feeling like I have to hold back and keep certain aspects hidden to protect her desire for privacy.

I don't feel a need to share someone else's personal stories that are told to me in confidence. Keeping that part private isn't an issue. The main issue is when I can't share the whole truth about my mental and emotional journey. If I have to leave out certain parts of that, then I might be leaving out something that's a really important part of the big picture.

I could do this with Rachelle, but she's still in Canada for a few more weeks. Rachelle and I also have a connection that pre-dates this experiment by a lot. Today is actually our 7-monthiversary. I think there's a lot of value in sharing how a fresh connection unfolds when the subjective perspective is used from the start.

So for now I'm holding the intention for a dream woman to come into my life who wants to explore dream world intimacy with me and has no serious privacy concerns that would block me from writing about it, so we can openly share what that experience is like... and thereby infect the rest of this dream world with some bold new possibilities.

I can say this about my first dream world intimacy experience though -- it was beautiful and amazing!

[James81]

I think the resistance with sharing all starts with you.

The fact that you even felt a need to "get permission" shows that resistance. I don't believe in sharing identifying details of another person (name, picture, etc.), but I've never seen a need to get permission to write about my experiences with a person. The only reason I could think of *not* doing such a thing is if the person was reading my blog and could identify the situation and then I would receive backlash for exploring that situation about them.

But again, the backlash for that is imagined...as in, I'm worrying more about what HER response would be than about sharing it publicly.

Thus, the same sort of resistance is what I would assume is present here...a fear of sharing the depth of thoughts and how this person would react to that depth. Which is, from any reality standpoint, imagined.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by James81

I think the resistance with sharing all starts with you.

The fact that you even felt a need to "get permission" shows that resistance. I don't believe in sharing identifying details of another person (name, picture, etc.), but I've never seen a need to get permission to write about my experiences with a person. The only reason I could think of *not* doing such a thing is if the person was reading my blog and could identify the situation and then I would receive backlash for exploring that situation about them.

But again, the backlash for that is imagined...as in, I'm worrying more about what HER response would be than about sharing it publicly.

Thus, the same sort of resistance is what I would assume is present here...a fear of sharing the depth of thoughts and how this person would react to that depth. Which is, from any reality standpoint, imagined.

That's the kind of stuff I need to work through still. I talked through some of it with a dream friend today, and that helped me understand more of it.

Pretty much everyone I get involved with reads my blog at some point or another, and often their friends and family read it too. So there's also the issue of their friends and family gaining knowledge of all those details, even if the rest of the world can't identify them. Still need to figure out what that means subjectively.

There's a lot to figure out about this. Looking at it subjectively is a bit of a pretzel.

[James81]

Yeah, I didn't say it's easy to share depth openly. I am facing similar issues myself.

For what it's worth, though, you occur like someone on the brink of a huge breakthrough. Either that or you are on the brink of lunacy. Lol

[James81]

P.S. Can you heal the part of you that breaks this smiley:



When there aren't lowercase letters with it?

[Savage]

Originally Posted by James81

For what it's worth, though, you occur like someone on the brink of a huge breakthrough.

Sure feels that way to me too. There have been tons of breakthroughs already, practically on a daily basis. They're coming too fast to keep up with writing about them as they happen.

Most are in the area of social life and relationships. But even my income seems to be trending up w/o any effort.

[Elfwing]

Maybe you have a fear of being responsible for condemning someone? I dunno, just the first thing that comes to mind when I look at that. I think it's a very caring thing to do for somebody, dream or not. I mean, it's one thing to expose yourself, but another thing entirely to expose somebody to the judgement of people they love when they aren't ready or willing for it.

Also, I have to say I'm totally hooked on these posts. When you're ready, I'll be here! :P

[TiffyLove]

Steve,

I wasn't necessarily saying I wanted to hear more of the "private" stuff. Just more about how you relate to your world. Like the story when you were in the grocery store or best buy. When I was reading that, I could feel it shifting things for me.

I would love to hear more of that, from you or anyone else.

I hope to have my own experiences to share soon.

And I would really really love to learn how to start down the rabbit hole myself!

[Rachelle]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

I could do this with Rachelle, but she's still in Canada for a few more weeks. Rachelle and I also have a connection that pre-dates this experiment by a lot. Today is actually our 7-monthiversary. I think there's a lot of value in sharing how a fresh connection unfolds when the subjective perspective is used from the start.

So for now I'm holding the intention for a dream woman to come into my life who wants to explore dream world intimacy with me and has no serious privacy concerns that would block me from writing about it, so we can openly share what that experience is like... and thereby infect the rest of this dream world with some bold new possibilities.

I can say this about my first dream world intimacy experience though -- it was beautiful and amazing!

I really wish I was there to share in this experience, despite our connection not being 'fresh'.

To anyone out there, or to the other dream woman he's already connected with: you will have amazing growth experiences if you are courageous enough to let Steve pour his body and soul through you, with you, upon you... and then share his most intimate emotional experiences with the world via his blog.

After all, It's really just different aspects of the same person exploring oneself... which equates to self-discovery for All involved. You will learn and grow, advancing along your respective journeys of personal growth and development.

And it will be delicious.

It will be loving and caring and sexy and beautiful.

Everyone deserves this.

<3

[Andreas]

Originally Posted by Rachelle

I really wish I was there to share in this experience, despite our connection not being 'fresh'.

To anyone out there, or to the other dream woman he's already connected with: you will have amazing growth experiences if you are courageous enough to let Steve pour his body and soul through you, with you, upon you... and then share his most intimate emotional experiences with the world via his blog.

After all, It's really just different aspects of the same person exploring oneself... which equates to self-discovery for All involved. You will learn and grow, advancing along your respective journeys of personal growth and development.

And it will be delicious.

It will be loving and caring and sexy and beautiful.

Everyone deserves this.

<3

Wow. You two belong together more than I realized. Really belong.

That was Beautiful.

[Savage]

Rachelle and I do have an amazing connection, for which I'm immensely grateful. She's yummy!

[Andreas]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

I'd love to write and share much more about this. So much has happened in this area that I haven't blogged about.
......
I wrote a 3500-word entry this week, edited and ready to publish, and I think it's some of the deepest stuff I've ever written. Most of it was about sharing my emotional journey of connecting with a woman as if she were a dream character, for several hours. But I can't feel good about sharing it because she doesn't feel good about that, even though I did my best to include no personally identifying info. I guess I can understand why she wouldn't want to see that kind of detail posted publicly, but I'm still sad about it because I think it would stimulate tons of really deep discussion on the nature of relationships. I'm not going to go against her wishes though. If she doesn't feel good about posting it, then perhaps some part of me must be wanting to hold back as well. At the moment I don't see why.

On the other hand, this experiment is giving me more clarity about what I want to experience in this area. I'm realizing just how much I dislike privacy and secrets. I should never be given a security clearance.

I've thought about this, and I feel this request to hold back intimate articles is, in some ways, a disservice to everyone involved. How much could we have learned from this 3500 word article? How much growth could it have inspired? And furthermore, how much could Steve have learned (reflected back to the dreamer) as a result?

It makes me uncomfortable/disappointed to think that something that would have been beneficial is going to be held back because someone is afraid. I can empathize with how she must feel (and I also recognize she's a reflection of you're feelings about it) and I know this dilemma isn't an easy for anyone involved...

But seriously, what about the bigger picture?

[Savage]

Some good news: I can post that private piece soon. She's okay with it other than some edits to details that could otherwise be used to ID her.

[Andreas]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Some good news: I can post that private piece soon. She's okay with it other than some edits to details that could otherwise be used to ID her.

Sublime!

Looks like this dream just got better...

[Vayy]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Some good news: I can post that private piece soon. She's okay with it other than some edits to details that could otherwise be used to ID her.

Wonderful news! Though I also agree with TiffyLove and would love to hear more about the regular day to day stuff. Funny synchronicities and how your perception has changed as you journey further down the SR rabbit hole.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Vayy

Wonderful news! Though I also agree with TiffyLove and would love to hear more about the regular day to day stuff. Funny synchronicities and how your perception has changed as you journey further down the SR rabbit hole.

I have a post on the day to day observations in the works too, but it's only half done. I'll probably edit and post the "Dream Lovemaking" article first though, maybe Thursday AM.

[Savage]

Please don't judge anyone for having privacy concerns. Especially where polyamory is involved, there can be a lot of complexities to consider.

I'm used to having my life online and dealing with the ongoing consequences of that, but I was able to build up to it over a period of years.

[Vayy]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

I have a post on the day to day observations in the works too, but it's only half done. I'll probably edit and post the "Dream Lovemaking" article first though, maybe Thursday AM.

Thank you! =D

[MidasGirl]

Originally Posted by Andreas

It makes me uncomfortable/disappointed to think that something that would have been beneficial is going to be held back because someone is afraid. I can empathize with how she must feel (and I also recognize she's a reflection of you're feelings about it) and I know this dilemma isn't an easy for anyone involved...

But seriously, what about the bigger picture?

She's also a reflection of your uncomfortableness and disappointment. So why are you disappointed? If Steve had never mentioned it, you'd never have known anything about the article.......so why would you be uncomfortable over something like this? What is the situation teaching you about you?

[Andreas]

Hi MidasGirl,

Yes, if Steve had never mentioned it we obviously wouldn't have known. I'd like to apologize though, I chose the wrong word to express myself. It wasn't uncomfortableness, just disappointment. And why I was disappointed was outlined in that post.

So far, this situation is teaching me to be more careful with which words I choose! But thank you for challenging me, MidasGirl, you really made me go back and see how that could have been taken other ways.



Steve,

I hope my post didn't come off as judgmental. That was not my intent at all. (though I know I'm not perfect in this regard, and I hope you'll forgive me for the times I don't come across as I intend.... or is it that I hope I forgive myself?)

I was just disappointed, for the reasons stated above. I realize that not everyone wants their life so public, and I respect that. I'm thankful that you and her were able to reach agreement about the content of the post and share that with us! It was a very beautiful article, and I suspect I'll read it again before too long...


I'm so thankful to be on a forum that challenges me, as well as encourages.

[Savage]

@Andreas: No worries.