What's different about Steve from other Self Help leaders

[roxyruby]

I think Steve you're different from other self help leaders in a really unique way, at least from what I've seen/read

You seem more courageous and way more open, honest, and sharing, maybe like, you will share stuff that other leaders would be too scared to cause of what they think people would think of them. Maybe not though, but it just seems like that.

Anyway just felt like saying that

[1ofstevesNPCs]

Totally agree! You're the best Steve.

[Savage]

I've actually been encouraging my friends in this field to open up and share more.

Some have already pushed themselves to do so, like Morty Lefkoe has been doing on his blog, and with positive results.

Many of the top people in this field feel stunted because they do a lot of work with corporations, and they feel they have to project a certain type of image to continue getting work from those corporate clients.

So they withhold a ton of juicy stuff from their writing and speaking -- such as how much they rely on intuition, psychic experiences they've had, how they use intention-manifestation, etc. They practice a lot of the same stuff I do, but they don't feel comfortable writing about it because they're worried they'll lose business if they do.

It's possible they're right. Maybe they would lose business, at least initially. I dunno.

The decision I made going into this field is that if I had to choose one or the other, I'd rather share the juicy stuff that's true and lose business. I wouldn't be happy with my work otherwise.

I am hoping that over time, I can inspire more people in this field to open up more. The people in this field already do that with each other -- some even joke about their less-than-authentic stage personas -- but they don't feel safe doing it publicly in general.

If you want to see this transition happen faster, then it's helpful to send them positive feedback and encouragement whenever you see someone taking steps in that direction.

In the long run though, we still need to fix the broken corporate structure that turns human beings into machine parts.

[roxyruby]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Many of the top people in this field feel stunted because they do a lot of work with corporations, and they feel they have to project a certain type of image to continue getting work from those corporate clients.

What Corporations?

[Savage]

Originally Posted by roxyruby

What Corporations?

Any and all, like those in the Forbes 500.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Any and all, like those in the Forbes 500.

If you go to a company like that, or to a university that produces a lot of businesspeople who work for those companies, you'll quickly see how image-based they are . . . and how they are a whole bunch of followers. I attended a university like that, and people were really surprised that I could still be successful as a student leader without playing by their rules. The trick was that I learned how to work within (and around) their rules and followed my own code of ethics anyway. It worked for what I wanted it to do. Then, I left the scene for many reasons, among them was that I didn't like being around their influence.

[AlmostGodess]

He speaks to my brain. He speaks about topics that are difficult to write about.

I was following one blogger for a while. I was surprised to discover he was copying some of Steve´s ideas. Sometimes this other blogger would publish, at a difference of a few days, an article with the same topic Steve just posted. This is when I understood how truly great Steve is.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by AlmostGodess

He speaks to my brain. He speaks about topics that are difficult to write about.

I was following one blogger for a while. I was surprised to discover he was copying some of Steve´s ideas. Sometimes this other blogger would publish, at a difference of a few days, an article with the same topic Steve just posted. This is when I understood how truly great Steve is.

Blush... it goes way beyond that.

Lately someone pointed out to me that Bob Proctor released an audio book called It's Not About the Money that was heavily derived from my article "10 Reasons You Should Never Get a Job," much of it copied verbatim. Long story short, it appears that Bob's company hired a ghostwriter, who copied my stuff and edited it, and then it was released as Bob's own work. Or so they claim. I haven't done anything about it though -- AFAIK it's still on the market today. At least people will hopefully benefit from those ideas.

Another time, years earlier, I learned that a self-help book was published (in bookstores) that included two of my articles w/o permission. The author edited them slightly and tried to pass them off as his own. I contacted the publisher to squawk and worked out a cash settlement with them, so they could keep publishing the book, and the author could keep pretending that my personal stories were his own. I think that book is still selling today.

Subjectively speaking though, this sort of thing makes perfect sense in a dream world. We're all one, so it doesn't really matter who shares what idea... as long as the ideas have the opportunity to be shared openly.

[AlmostGodess]

The nerd in me has to speak out. Kant was writing that all ideas already exist in all our brains, it is the path to these ideas that is more worthy He might be very well the founding father of personal development!

*relieved*

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Subjectively speaking though, this sort of thing makes perfect sense in a dream world. We're all one, so it doesn't really matter who shares what idea... as long as the ideas have the opportunity to be shared openly.

[danas]

I feel like we could be friends in real life. I care about him, I want him to succeed. I trust him. I love him. I don't feel this way about any other self help writer. I've learnt a lot from other writers too. But mostly I think of them as great business people. In real life non of my freinds are great business people. They are just great people. That's how I see Steve, as a great person. Very human.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by AlmostGodess

He speaks to my brain. He speaks about topics that are difficult to write about.

I was following one blogger for a while. I was surprised to discover he was copying some of Steve´s ideas. Sometimes this other blogger would publish, at a difference of a few days, an article with the same topic Steve just posted. This is when I understood how truly great Steve is.

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Blush... it goes way beyond that.

Lately someone pointed out to me that Bob Proctor released an audio book called It's Not About the Money that was heavily derived from my article "10 Reasons You Should Never Get a Job," much of it copied verbatim.

Marketers are also trying to pass off "non-marketing" techniques Steve has used as their own for a price. You know, "content is king", "follow your passion", etc. To be fair, they're tried and true techniques, but I first saw Steve doing them years ago when so many others were putting computer technology as their #1 priority to generate market share instead of people. I think this is the #1 reason why Steve Pavlina has been so successful in this field: He put people first. Imagine that.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by danas

I feel like we could be friends in real life. I care about him, I want him to succeed. I trust him. I love him. I don't feel this way about any other self help writer. I've learnt a lot from other writers too. But mostly I think of them as great business people. In real life non of my freinds are great business people. They are just great people. That's how I see Steve, as a great person. Very human.

You see him as a friend and a guide, not a guru.

Good job, Steve.

[Federer]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Blush... it goes way beyond that.

Lately someone pointed out to me that Bob Proctor released an audio book called It's Not About the Money that was heavily derived from my article "10 Reasons You Should Never Get a Job," much of it copied verbatim. Long story short, it appears that Bob's company hired a ghostwriter, who copied my stuff and edited it, and then it was released as Bob's own work. Or so they claim. I haven't done anything about it though -- AFAIK it's still on the market today. At least people will hopefully benefit from those ideas.

Another time, years earlier, I learned that a self-help book was published (in bookstores) that included two of my articles w/o permission. The author edited them slightly and tried to pass them off as his own. I contacted the publisher to squawk and worked out a cash settlement with them, so they could keep publishing the book, and the author could keep pretending that my personal stories were his own. I think that book is still selling today.

Subjectively speaking though, this sort of thing makes perfect sense in a dream world. We're all one, so it doesn't really matter who shares what idea... as long as the ideas have the opportunity to be shared openly.

Steve, it makes me angry. I don't like such things. You allowed him though. Great heart. You gave him. He doesn't know one thing, those ideas are for helping, not for stealing and become well known. At least he should try to understand what you wrote. I doubt he understood those ideas. It's very hard to become famous, he must knew. Damn that author who stole your ideas! If he wanted to get such brain storming ideas like you, he could. But he did not try. It is bad when people don't TRY.

[danas]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

You see him as a friend and a guide, not a guru.

Good job, Steve.

yeah
I just noticed roxyruby titled him a "self help leader" while I referred to him as a "self help writer" unintentionally. But I guess that's how I see him, like a freind and a guide rather than a leader or guru.
And that's a good thing

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by danas

yeah
I just noticed roxyruby titled him a "self help leader" while I referred to him as a "self help writer" unintentionally. But I guess that's how I see him, like a freind and a guide rather than a leader or guru.
And that's a good thing

Yes, and that's also the image Steve Pavlina wants to convey to the public.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by Federer

Steve, it makes me angry. I don't like such things. You allowed him though. Great heart. You gave him. He doesn't know one thing, those ideas are for helping, not for stealing and become well known. At least he should try to understand what you wrote. I doubt he understood those ideas. It's very hard to become famous, he must knew. Damn that author who stole your ideas! If he wanted to get such brain storming ideas like you, he could. But he did not try. It is bad when people don't TRY.

Good PR, Steve.

[roxyruby]

Originally Posted by danas

yeah
I just noticed roxyruby titled him a "self help leader" while I referred to him as a "self help writer" unintentionally. But I guess that's how I see him, like a freind and a guide rather than a leader or guru.
And that's a good thing

yeah me too. It seems to be better to think of people as people & friends, a person just like you, just a human being, not leaders or being above you in some way, cause that causes a feeling of separation, and separation leads to fear...fear leads to anger...anger leads to hate...hate leads to suffering XD

I have had a problem with that like "Oh they are so high and above me" so couldn't connect with them because of seeing them that way I think maybe including steve, just for anyone successful etc, but thats a really unfair way to see people, since it causes a lack of friendliness and connection and interaction with them so I have been overcoming it & seeing them as "just another one of "me" a human being..only with different circumstances"

[James81]

Originally Posted by Federer

Steve, it makes me angry. I don't like such things. You allowed him though. Great heart. You gave him. He doesn't know one thing, those ideas are for helping, not for stealing and become well known. At least he should try to understand what you wrote. I doubt he understood those ideas. It's very hard to become famous, he must knew. Damn that author who stole your ideas! If he wanted to get such brain storming ideas like you, he could. But he did not try. It is bad when people don't TRY.

You know, it's one thing for people to steal actual content Steve creates (for instance, copying one of his blog posts word for word with little to no changes).

It's something else entirely for people to "steal" his "ideas" and make them their own. I think that's the whole point of sharing your ideas, so that people can take them and make them their own.

The other thought I had is, that Steve's ideas are really not his ideas. I've seen traces of his philosophy over several different texts in my own personal development.

For instance, I see a lot of Tony Robbins influence on his earlier works. I see ideas that come from the Bible (such as "creating and delivering value believing that value will be returned to you and giving that value away"). I see his ideas in Buddhist texts. The Tao. Conversations with God.

Steve has taken others ideas, and put his own spin on it and out of that he has created his own ideas. And, so, in that vein, I think that's what others are doing with him. It's very Synergistic in nature.

[MidasGirl]

What's different about Steve from other Self Help leaders

Roxy, it could simply be that you just haven't interacted with other self help leaders on the same level you've interacted with Steve. IOW, what's different about him is purely your creation of him.

[Federer]

Originally Posted by James81

You know, it's one thing for people to steal actual content Steve creates (for instance, copying one of his blog posts word for word with little to no changes).

It's something else entirely for people to "steal" his "ideas" and make them their own. I think that's the whole point of sharing your ideas, so that people can take them and make them their own.

The other thought I had is, that Steve's ideas are really not his ideas. I've seen traces of his philosophy over several different texts in my own personal development.

For instance, I see a lot of Tony Robbins influence on his earlier works. I see ideas that come from the Bible (such as "creating and delivering value believing that value will be returned to you and giving that value away"). I see his ideas in Buddhist texts. The Tao. Conversations with God.

Steve has taken others ideas, and put his own spin on it and out of that he has created his own ideas. And, so, in that vein, I think that's what others are doing with him. It's very Synergistic in nature.

Oh, i see. But we have to see how they use after stealing? They can create a difference or no. Even if we steal something and we can't understand, then what's the meaning of stealing? Sorry, i must call this as foolishness.

[Federer]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

Good PR, Steve.

Excuse me, what is PR? personal response?? Just guessing.

[roxyruby]

Originally Posted by MidasGirl

Roxy, it could simply be that you just haven't interacted with other self help leaders on the same level you've interacted with Steve. IOW, what's different about him is purely your creation of him.

yeah I thought of that. Maybe it is just because I have seen the personal side of him since he shares his personal life on facebook etc

Maybe it's just cause I don't know the other Self Help Sharers Enough

Self Help Sharers sounds much better ^ ^ Or personal development sharers....

Life Improvement sharers.........lol

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by Federer

Excuse me, what is PR? personal response?? Just guessing.

Public Relations

[KaleidoskopicVision]

He lets his girlfriend tie him up and whip him

Or maybe you haven't tried that yet Steve? Haven't really been keeping up with your exploration of S&M.

P.S. when are you gonna do a BDSM instructional video?

[Federer]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

Public Relations

Ohkay.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

He lets his girlfriend tie him up and whip him

Or maybe you haven't tried that yet Steve? Haven't really been keeping up with your exploration of S&M.

P.S. when are you gonna do a BDSM instructional video?

LOL... we do D/s, not S&M. We're not into causing each other pain.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

LOL... we do D/s, not S&M. We're not into causing each other pain.

Oh, okay