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Old 03-10-2007, 10:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question "Lightworker/darkworker" - where did these terms come from?

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Where ever did these words come from??

I really cannot stand these two terms "lightworker" and "darkworker." It also disturbs me how people who don't even understand the concepts or what they relate to have embraced the terms and concepts without question or understanding, without applying their own mind. It gives me the feeling of a teen-age peer group over-zealously latching on to a fad word because they think it makes them cool.

It may also have to do with the fact that these two words smack intensely of some science fiction movie.

I don't know where the terms came from, but out of science fiction or not, I will not use them, as they just seem like something from the imagination of a science-fiction/technology-obsessed teen-age boy, and therefore do not allow any leeway for someone completely different, like me.

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Old 03-10-2007, 12:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Steve has stressed on a number of occasions that Lightworkers/Darkworkers proper are rare. There is no need for everyone to polarize. If you don't want too, don't. If you believe in the "Old Soul" thoery, whichh states some souls have reincarnated alot mroe than others, then its more likely that only Old Souls will polarize fully.

However I can assure you that the labels don't come from a science fiction movie/book/comic/tv show. They are just labels. Anyone can say they are a Light/darkworker but it doesn't make them so. I think its very much like being in love. No one on gods green earth can tell you, you are in love. You just know it. Through and through yea?

Don't get hung up on labels and meanings and the like, I can't speak for Steve at all and I don't intend to, but from my understanding of his articles, he doesn't want to froce you to do anything. Its more like a general direction in which you should head.
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Old 03-10-2007, 02:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have to agree the Lightworker/Darkworker thing is leaving me cold. But that's just me...I suppose it resonates with others here...
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Old 03-10-2007, 03:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Doreen Virtue - the guilty party

Well, I just Googled "lightworker" and found the person guilty for popularizing the term.

Lightworker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I couldn't find an entry for "darkworker" but I did find this:

"A darkworker may be defined as an uncivilized person who practices deception and coercion for the purpose of subjugating others. In other words, darkworkers are psychopaths who derive conscious pleasure from deceiving, subjugating, and destroying other human beings."

from WHAT IS A DARKWORKER
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Old 03-10-2007, 04:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Well, I just Googled "lightworker" and found the person guilty for popularizing the term.

Lightworker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I couldn't find an entry for "darkworker" but I did find this:

"A darkworker may be defined as an uncivilized person who practices deception and coercion for the purpose of subjugating others. In other words, darkworkers are psychopaths who derive conscious pleasure from deceiving, subjugating, and destroying other human beings."

from WHAT IS A DARKWORKER
I did not know that the "semi-official" definition was that bad for darkworkers. Steve definitely makes it clear that darkworkers aren't to be of thought in that fashion. In another thread, I make the case for perhaps changing the terms lightworker and darkworker toward something better suited for what Steve is trying to explain. What you wrote makes the case even more compelling for avoiding the term darkworker.
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Old 03-10-2007, 04:36 PM   #6 (permalink)
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However I can assure you that the labels don't come from a science fiction movie/book/comic/tv show.
If the terms lightworker/darkworker didn't come from Star Wars, where did they come from?
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I did not know that the "semi-official" definition was that bad for darkworkers. Steve definitely makes it clear that darkworkers aren't to be of thought in that fashion. In another thread, I make the case for perhaps changing the terms lightworker and darkworker toward something better suited for what Steve is trying to explain. What you wrote makes the case even more compelling for avoiding the term darkworker.
It's really not an official or semi-official definition. At this point, I don't think or know if anything could be considered official, semi-official or ... if it ever will be. I just found that site when I looked up "darkworker." Actually, I continued to read what the author had written about darkworkers, what she sees them as being, and it was awfully harsh, even from my point of view. Don't believe everything you read, check the sources. I gave the link to where I got those words, so that people could check it out for themselves.

Concerning the origin of the terms, the link to Wikipedia I provided in the previous post says that the term "lightworker" was made popular by a woman named Doreen ... I have written her name in my other post. She used it in some book she wrote in 1997.

I don't like new-agey terms and things and these terms seem to be like that. Who knows what the proper definitions of them are, or if there even are any. Everyone seems to have their own opinion.
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Old 03-10-2007, 05:22 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Default Darkworker...

All of the hits I get for this word, on the first two pages, at least, all refer back to Steve's website. I had no idea people were copying his blog posts onto their own sites, and there seem to be quite a few of them...

Anyway, the only substantial mentions of "darkworker" I found in the first two pages of the search all led back to Steve's site (with the one exception of the link I put in my other post).
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Old 03-10-2007, 09:55 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I've heard these terms referenced by New Age writings & books before. Lightworker is something I've heard of quite frequently...however I did not hear of darkworker until now.

They did not come from Star Wars most definitely. If you google lightworker you will see..these terms were used quite frequently & have come to mean something along the lines of "giving the world light"...though there is no official definition persay because it is a term that is still evolving.

Like say... the word "grill" which is now popularly coming to mean "metallic replacements for teeth which are often used by those who like hip hop" ... (sorry poor definition but I'm making a point here... ).

But I do agree that "lightworker" & "darkworker" can be like the word "God" which can deter some people from even integrating the points made in the various polarity articles.

But you asked where it came from.. I would say.. it originated from New Age concepts but it is an evolving term. Darkworker consequently arose as the natural darker partner for the term Lightworker in my personal opinion.
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Yeh I'm not interested in the whole lightworker/darkworker concept.

I'm a jamworker. Giving the world jam, because it is the secret to joy...
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i dont like the turn these forums have taken lately either. everywhere i look all i see are these two terms being discussed, in a somewhat teenage fad fashion. enough already. and to say that the law of attraction wont work as well unless you are polarised doesnt make sense to me. if all is one then surely there is no difrence between 'in' our 'out' of 'me' cause there is no me and me is all that is, including that. i just find the whole basis of the theory flawed. yes, maybe i just dont understand it but please dont feel the need to explain.
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. . . this idea of polarity promotes duality . . .
Exactly. No matter what sort of spin you put on it, when you start talking about lightworkers and darkworkers you are talking in turns of good guys and bad guys. In my opinion, the worst part about all of this is the complete faith people are putting in someone claiming lightworker status to define it all. This seems to be an act of hubris in my opinion.

It is also my opinion that the lightworker idea promotes a skewed version of morality. I find it weird that anyone questioning whether Steve is actually a lightworker is cast down for not understanding the term Steve himself (re)defined. This is not Steve's doing, but I am noticing that he is not coming in to chime a different tune.

Then again, this is probably an indication that I have not risen to the proper level of vibration to interpret the Christ Love in its totality. My heart chakra is not open to the universal love and thus I am still blinded by my own human baseness.

Wait, I think I am really starting to understand it now! Nope. False alarm.

(ps-I bet his hits are going up with all this jabber about lightworkers. Polarization is also a good marketing tool. Go Steve! Your the bestest!)
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Yeh I'm not interested in the whole lightworker/darkworker concept.

I'm a jamworker. Giving the world jam, because it is the secret to joy...
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I'm a seanworker. Giving the sean more world, because there's nothing better to do :-).

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this idea of polarity promotes duality
that is exactly my problem with it. steve seems to have missed the very important detail that according to his subjective reality theory, and not only that, everything is a reflection of one consciousness.
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that is exactly my problem with it. steve seems to have missed the very important detail that according to his subjective reality theory, and not only that, everything is a reflection of one consciousness.
There is only one force, but two sides, light and dark. You must learn this young padawan lest you find yourself going to the darkside.
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