We need to choose a polarity for this earth as well.

[mtrimpe]

It's really funny, but I was just writing down personal beliefs and I wrote this down:

The rising of the sea-level is irrelevant because eventually we will find a way to store the excess water in the earth itself. Water is a precious resource, but doesn't necessarily need to be available too much on the surface of the earth, it can just as well be stored below.

Of course this comes from a 'darkworker' polarity, since most would agree the Greenpeace works from a 'lightworker' polarity, so to speak. Which lead me to conclude the following:

We as a world are also still very much undecided concerning whether to polarize as a light or darkworker.

Which makes me believe that (probably in this century) we as humans have to make a conscious choice; either we choose to adapt the earth to our wishes or we choose to minimize our footprint on the earth. Either we live to serve the earth or we let the earth serve our lives.

This earth as a whole also still needs to polarize!

I personally believe in a highly technological world adapted to our needs as human beings, so for me the dark worker polarization feels more appropriate when viewed from a global perspective. I feel we should live to serve intellect/consciousness and the best way to serve consciousness is to expand it.

But the really interesting thing is, what is your polarization concerning the earth as a whole?

[Adrienne]

Originally Posted by mtrimpe

But the really interesting thing is, what is your polarization concerning the earth as a whole?

The complete opposite. The earth is here for us to enjoy and help us live, yes, but it is not to concur or hurt, or change. It is a resource yes, which we use to survive, as is the sun among other things.

I don’t want to change the earth. I want the earth to be is has been for generations to come. We also don’t know the effect of what we do to this planet. Sure now it might be ok, but what about 2 or 100 generations down the line?

I rather serve the earth, protect the earth, and love the earth, then exploit it and beat it into the ground. I want the earth to long out live my current caporal existence on this world.

Adrienne

[1000feet]

The first thing we have to do is get Adrienne and mtrimpe to agree completely. After that there's only 6 billion people left.

[mtrimpe]

Originally Posted by 1000feet

The first thing we have to do is get Adrienne and mtrimpe to agree completely. After that there's only 6 billion people left.

Cool! Do you want to be the third?

Originally Posted by Adrienne

I rather serve the earth, protect the earth, and love the earth, then exploit it and beat it into the ground. I want the earth to long out live my current caporal existence on this world.

So to start the debate, what would service to this world entail? Isn't everything we do a result of our desires, a result of bending the world to adapt to our desires? Even 'good' desires (such as yours to preserve this world as is) are still desires and are thus in essence no better or worse than 'bad' desires.

So becoming a 'ligthworker'-polarized world would mean completely moving beyond desire as a world?

[1000feet]

Originally Posted by mtrimpe

Cool! Do you want to be the third?

First you two have to decide, then you can try to convince me. I would probably shift the decision a bit myself.

[Adrienne]

Originally Posted by mtrimpe

Cool! Do you want to be the third?



So to start the debate, what would service to this world entail? Isn't everything we do a result of our desires, a result of bending the world to adapt to our desires? Even 'good' desires (such as yours to preserve this world as is) are still desires and are thus in essence no better or worse than 'bad' desires.

So becoming a 'ligthworker'-polarized world would mean completely moving beyond desire as a world?

You are right in the fact that everything we do either destroy or preserve are actions both of which affect the earth.


I think it just comes down to who i am. I don't expect or want people or things to change just to suite me. What kinda world would that be where people agreed with me just to agree with me? or the weather bent to my whim?

To use people as an example... The classic joke, men marry hoping the woman changes and women merry hoping the man does..

Lots of people in relationships are always trying to change the other person.

For me what it comes down to is, you love someone or something or you dont. You accept them, or you dont. You let them be who they are, or you try to control and change them.

I look at the earth the same way. Mountains, beaches, caves, forests, jungles, oceans, etc.. I dont need to change it for me to help the earth and the earth to help me.

Helping the earth is being conscious of it. Everything you do effects the earth, just as the earth effects you. You effect the earth by driving, littering, not recycling, etc.
The earth effects us by weather, earthquakes, good soil, a liquid iron core, etc...

What it comes down to for me is, i dont need the earth to change. I love and enjoy the way it is now. I dont want to chose when it rains, i want to be surprised. I dont want to control the earth, i just want to live with the earth...

Why do you want to control the earth? Why do you want to change it?


Adrienne

[Jeremy Bennett]

Originally Posted by mtrimpe

Cool! Do you want to be the third?



So to start the debate, what would service to this world entail? Isn't everything we do a result of our desires, a result of bending the world to adapt to our desires? Even 'good' desires (such as yours to preserve this world as is) are still desires and are thus in essence no better or worse than 'bad' desires.

So becoming a 'ligthworker'-polarized world would mean completely moving beyond desire as a world?

No; desires are not bad, but the attachment to them are; wanting to have
transportation anywhere; i.e. a car, is not bad, but attachment to the means;
i.e. gasoline to fuel the vehicle is not beneficial for the earth - but what about other alternatives that exist? (seperating the goal from the plan/means)

[NightOwlNation]

Originally Posted by mtrimpe

Either we live to serve the earth or we let the earth serve our lives.

Why does it have to be either/or ?? Why not both? Symbiotic relationships do exist and serve 'both parties' well.

This earth as a whole also still needs to polarize!

I do believe in subjective reality, primarily. So I am biased: it is not about the earth but rather my own Consciousness. My own awareness of being. Which then determines 'my' experience of the earth and how well it is cared for and how well it supports me.

BTW, what's up with this message too short, need to add 10 characters, notice in the pop up box??? It won't post until I add to the message - like with this. Sheesh!

[mtrimpe]

Originally Posted by Adrienne

Why do you want to control the earth? Why do you want to change it?

Because that's what creativity is about. Self-expression means change. I believe in purposeful change.

Now these changes always used to be limited to the people around you, but these days we have the influence to change 'the whole world'. If you look at the story of the hundreth monkey, I believe we all have the power to drastically change the entire world.

I believe that it is in the best interest of the world to create as much positive change in this world as we possibly can. To express yourself as greatly as you possibly can.

I can sum it all up in this: "I believe every living person should see it as his duty to become the greatest living person."

And if I look at the people I consider the greatest, they have all influenced a massive change; they have bent the world to their desires.

[Adrienne]

Originally Posted by mtrimpe

Because that's what creativity is about. Self-expression means change. I believe in purposeful change.

Now these changes always used to be limited to the people around you, but these days we have the influence to change 'the whole world'. If you look at the story of the hundreth monkey, I believe we all have the power to drastically change the entire world.

I believe that it is in the best interest of the world to create as much positive change in this world as we possibly can. To express yourself as greatly as you possibly can.

I can sum it all up in this: "I believe every living person should see it as his duty to become the greatest living person."

And if I look at the people I consider the greatest, they have all influenced a massive change; they have bent the world to their desires.

I think change is great. It creates opportunities to grow and adapt. I just don’t think we need to destroy the earth and twist it into our ideal for it to support growth. Now, this does not mean that I think we should all go sleep on dirt and only eat bugs that we have cooked by a fire we made from collecting (never chopping) trees branches that fell in storms.

Its more like this.
Yes, the earth is a resource for us
Yes, we are a resource to the earth.

The earth gives us things we need (soil, food, O2 , a liquid iron core, and water).
We give the earth things it needs for trees, plants and other cycle of life things (fertilizer, our bodies to decompose, spread seeds etc).

So, change is fine, change is great. But we don’t have to destroy the earth and it’s ecosystems to change.


I don’t know the story you mean when you say the 100th monkey.

Adrienne