Lightworkers are a superset of darkworkers

[wolfgang]

Did I get your attention with that title?

Lightworkers are devoted to serve others, so Steve’s blog said. Now to be a lightworker that isn’t sick (lightworker’s syndrome), the lightworker must take care of him/her-self to be able to give to others. To be a really devoted to others, one must first be devoted to one’s self or you have nothing to give. Noone can give something they don’t already have and are able to give to themselves – basic psychology.

Like a student learning a martial art will start off having to be devoted to one’s self to get a handle of the art/movement/ideas. That may be called being a darkworker. Eventually, as the learning becomes more experienced, the giving can begin by teaching or sharing or just participating such that newbies are seeing good form. The darkworker is becoming a lightworker now, but still is doing the darkworker stuff by keeping his/her training going.

Or like being in higher education, at first one must be absorbed and in service of one’s self while learning. There’s no way to use the knowledge/skill or teach someone else while learning it. Once one has gained enough knowledge/skill, then you go out and either teach it or use it – both of which are an expasion of the focusing of giving to include others.

The darkworking, to me, looks like an incubation period that grows into possible lightworking.

I also thought of it this way

– a lightworker is devoted to serve others and that devotion is really the lightworker’s realization that everyone else deserves the same regard he/she gives to him/her-self because others are parts of the whole. We are all one - so being devoted to serve others is really being devoted to serve one’s expanded self (that includes everything). If the motivation of a lightworker is to give to others – I think there still exists, in the lightworker, the same motivation towards his/her self. The giving to others includes the self as one of the others.

For those that ”get it” does that fit?

If a darkworker is motivated to help someone out of wanting to receiving "being helpful" accolades for the personal self, then this motivation of being self serving actually can create actions that touch others – which is starting to expand the experience. I mean, if one does things that are helpful for others (how ever motivated) then one will start to see the others as part of themselves and start feeling the motivation as for all involved, instead of just the self.

A seed starts off as a darkworker and takes and takes then starts to grow and eventually adds the lightworker part and gives tons back in the form of fruit or wood or beauty or pollen, etc… Interesting, the seed is actually in the dark when it first starts and is in the light when infull bloom.

[Frankie]

This post makes a lot of sense.

[John Wesley]

I tend to agree. The more I think about, the more I think that the dark side is vastly more powerful than the light, even in terms of helping people.

Consider someone like Gandhi, you think he's about as white as they come. But what if, deep down, he really only does good things because he wants to be the holiest person in the world? This is a selfish pursuit, making him a darkworker.

Even if someone isn't looking for money, they can still be motivated by self love to pursue knowledge, beauty, god, anything really. If there really are any very powerful lightworkers, I'm willing to be we've never heard of them. Anything someone does to make themselves famous is probably on the darkside.

[steve0617]

I don't see how one could become a lightworker without having gone through a darkworker stage, assuming one avoided the lightworker syndrome.

How could one give to others if one wasn't able to even provide for one's self first?

[Amadeus]

I will friendly disagree with you. This is why.

Jesus - lightworker

Donald Trump - darkworker

Both men were very successful in their time. Steve is saying that energy (resources, people, time) is flowing out of you. You get back in return blessing from God and other people. Your life is full of "holes" in order to give and give. YOUR HAND IS OPEN. It is open in order to give, yet it is open to receive as well.

Darkworkers have no holes. They find a way to consume, grab a hold of, twist things around, in their favor so they can hold on to resources, people, time, etc. YOUR HAND IS CLOSED. You are taking.

You can't tell me that Donald Trump will become like Jesus (forgive me for judging him) and you can't tell me that Jesus was like Donald Trump before becoming Holy. Think about it.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Amadeus

I will friendly disagree with you. This is why.

Jesus - lightworker

Donald Trump - darkworker

Both men were very successful in their time. Steve is saying that energy (resources, people, time) is flowing out of you. You get back in return blessing from God and other people. Your life is full of "holes" in order to give and give. YOUR HAND IS OPEN. It is open in order to give, yet it is open to receive as well.

Darkworkers have no holes. They find a way to consume, grab a hold of, twist things around, in their favor so they can hold on to resources, people, time, etc. YOUR HAND IS CLOSED. You are taking.

You can't tell me that Donald Trump will become like Jesus (forgive me for judging him) and you can't tell me that Jesus was like Donald Trump before becoming Holy. Think about it.

I think Jesus had to be a darkworker to cultivate what it was he was telling everyone. He had to look within and know thyself first before being able to say much of anything and gain followers. Now, how do we know how he motivated himself, really? Did he see the light, or felt he was the light and then was motivated to spread his word to boost his popularity? Or did he say, boy, I want to help everyone and I'll teach them how to fish. I don't know but still think he had to be dark for a bit before sharing and being all love.

Donald Trump has invested and spread his money around too which is along the lines of being a lightworker. And written books. His bussinesses/empires have provided housing, jobs, etc... First he had to go through a period of developing (darkwork) then his bussines was able to provide goods and services (lightwork) - which is kind of Jesus like in the sense of being able to help people or teach them how to fish, in a way. But maybe he could be a stuck darkworker, in my mind too. However, it may be hard to tell exactly how the Donald motivates himself by looking at his track record.

I do think a darkworker can decide to not progess into a lightworker - like Scrooge before the 3 Xmasses spirits visited him. But I also think a stuck darkworker is going to end up blowing up or be full of himself and have that darkworker's syndrome. And what is the antidote to the darkworker's syndrome? Steve even wrote about that, that the darkworkers have to give back to the world, community, family or there's no flow. That giving is the ligthworkers focus. So there's that as how the darkworker will be naturally inclined to progress to the light but the individual can decide to stay stuck.

[1000feet]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Did I get your attention with that title?

Lightworkers are devoted to serve others, so Steve’s blog said. Now to be a lightworker that isn’t sick (lightworker’s syndrome), the lightworker must take care of him/her-self to be able to give to others. To be a really devoted to others, one must first be devoted to one’s self or you have nothing to give. Noone can give something they don’t already have and are able to give to themselves – basic psychology.

I'm reading Steve's posts a bit differently; I haven't experienced this myself (is this forum starting to sound like people arguing over the bible to anyone else?), but this is what I understand.

It's true that lightworkers can become more helpful to others by improving themselves at first; following in Bill Gates' footsteps is a lot more helpful than selling your house for charity. The difference is that if you do this as a lightworker, you put all the energy of wanting to help people behind your intentions. According to Steve, this will make the Law of Attraction more powerful and help you succeed. By the time you do succeed, using your increases resources to do good would make a lot more sense to you than buying a bigger house.

Of course it's possible that somewhere along the way you change your mind, but if you follow this path you are increasing your resources as a lightworker.

[mtrimpe]

What if darkworkers and lightworkers or both subsets of desireworkers?

What if both being a darkworker and a lightworker is 'bad'?

If you have a desire to do 'good' then you are still bending the world to fit with your desires.

So to achieve enlightenment, if we should believe buddhism for example, would mean to move beyond both darkworking and lightworking, to move beyond desire working, and free yourself from desire.

Otherwise I think 'darkworking' just refers to having desires that are not deemed to be 'good' by the dominant majority. I mean, who says that creating a virus that annihilates 99% of the world's population won't eventually have a very positive outcome?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by mtrimpe

What if darkworkers and lightworkers or both subsets of desireworkers?

Yes, I think that way about dark/light being subsets. It's in Steve's definition too. He put it as devoting one self to service. Then light/dark is supposed to qualify which direction that service it going. I see it more as the service expands across a spectrum from self (dark) to family, friends, world (light). And this expansion includes the other parts before it. So, yeah, light and dark are a subset of service (desireworkers) - and then dark is a subset of lightworkers.

What if both being a darkworker and a lightworker is 'bad'?

If you have a desire to do 'good' then you are still bending the world to fit with your desires.

So to achieve enlightenment, if we should believe buddhism for example, would mean to move beyond both darkworking and lightworking, to move beyond desire working, and free yourself from desire.

Yes, duality is hanging around. Hmmm... I'd like to think a lightworker is closer to realizing non-duality and harmony. And that is the grandest motivator everyone has - to be able to "go home", remember God, be one with all. A lightworker has an expanded realm of where his/her service goes - and that service is maybe to try to be motivated to be as whole and peaceful as possible, to not harm, etc - to be more buddha like.

Otherwise I think 'darkworking' just refers to having desires that are not deemed to be 'good' by the dominant majority. I mean, who says that creating a virus that annihilates 99% of the world's population won't eventually have a very positive outcome?

I'm not sure that darkworking has been refered to as not "good". Many have been trying to say darkworkers are just as kind as lightworkers.

[Tanyawa]

If I had to describe a darkworker (this is first time hearing the word ), I would say darkworker is someone who acts like a lightworker but has a hidden agenda. I also think a dark worker can recognize a lightworker just thru eye contact alone.
I had a creepy incident where I went to a group tea cup readings and there was alot of talk of a creator etc, but I felt a weird prsence and the woman leading the group made eye contact with me and time slowed down in that instant I could feel her trying to penetrate my energy. I met that intrusion with strength and she backed off, but she kept fumbling her words after that...I made her nervous with my certainty.
Anyways, she is what I would call a dark worker. I was asked to go to this event, but I will not go to any others like it.
I will stick to my own authority not tea cups.

[pyrogen]

I must respectfully disagree with what most people think a Darkworker is.

Asmoday, IMO, has the best description of what a Darkworker is.

What is a Darkworker?

[Cado]

Originally Posted by pyrogen

I must respectfully disagree with what most people think a Darkworker is.

Asmoday, IMO, has the best description of what a Darkworker is.

What is a Darkworker?

And it goes without saying I agree.

The interplay between light and dark is not something I understand and I may never understand it fully, but what I can say based on what I've experienced is that you will have darkworkers who do nothing but suck the air dry and then you will have those like myself who channel energy so it can be put to good use. One is a vampire while the other keeps energy flowing as it should. There's nothing to be despised about either polarity, every polarized person is beautiful, and it's a shame so many would choose one path and shun all who would walk the other. We're most effective when we work together and many of the imbalances in our world can be attributed to our tendency not to.

Now regarding the initial post, there might be some truth to it. I've heard it said darkness presents light with a matrix where it can manifest. However, there is nothing about the development and care of your individual self which necessitates a greater focus upon it than upon the whole. You can focus on the whole and include yourself in that. You won't ever develop the kind of strength a darkworker has but that's the tradeoff you make-you become stronger in different ways, you can do things a darkworker never could.

Now I can't sit here and make a list of things which are impossible for lightworkers or darkworkers to do because it's far more subtle than that; a lightworker can kill and a darkworker can die a martyr if circumstances are just so. There's a delicate mix of elements which determine how the players must act and it's then when their personal strengths and limitations shine through. I have the will to do what a lightworker won't and a lightworker will redeem someone I've given up on. That's why we need each other and it's why any definition that focuses upon deeds, or even self vs. others, misses the point. Those are effects-the cause goes deeper and you can't grasp what polarity is about without touching upon the cause. A focus on self or others can reveal what's behind the curtain but it's not itself the core of either path.

[Mynder]

Straight from the Dragonlance novels:

"May Paladine, the god you are named for, guide you, Palin,"
Dunbar said. "And consider this," he added, a smile creasing his
black face, "in case you never see the old Sea Wizard again. You
may learn that-by serving the world-you serve yourself best of
all."