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Old 03-09-2007, 01:20 PM
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Old 03-09-2007, 02:07 PM
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polarity's articles are great. The example in this one really help me to understand a little more the fear-based polarization.

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Ok, I think I get it. You wrote in your 'are you a lightworker or a darkworker' that 1% of people are polarized at all. Does that mean that everyone else is at neutral?

I think it would help if you explained the middle ground as well.
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Made me think that it's about being dedicated to serve. The only difference between love based and fear based is how far out that service goes.

The fear based service stops right at the personal boundary.

The love based service goes to everybody with whom that individual interacts.

The love based motivation is like a fear based motivation expanded to include everyone else. The expanded or commual self also seeks "personal" fullfillment.
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Old 03-09-2007, 03:14 PM
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I like this series on polarity and this post did a great job elaborating on the subject. It has really made me question my own motivations. Right now I'm not polarized and I'm starting to realize that's part of my problem. The middle road is pretty mediocre.

Now deciding to go light or dark, thats a tough question. The more I think about it the more the power of the dark side calls me.
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I like this series on polarity and this post did a great job elaborating on the subject. It has really made me question my own motivations. Right now I'm not polarized and I'm starting to realize that's part of my problem. The middle road is pretty mediocre.

Now deciding to go light or dark, thats a tough question. The more I think about it the more the power of the dark side calls me.
I think there's no deciding to be polarized. One is either stuck near the darkworker side or trying to move over to the lightworker side. I think the decition is to find the darkworker stuff and expand it and natually become a lightworker. It's a decition to want to grow and to polarize is not how I see it. Use the darkworker energy if it's with you but start to expand this energy and become more one with everything. That's the natural way of life!

The dark side call me too - but only so I can focus on myself to a point where I can uplift me and everyone else in some way. I'm not called to the darkside to stay there, I'm called there to become more and have to start at myself.

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I'm not called to the darkside to stay there, I'm called there to become more and have to start at myself.
That's an interesting way to think of it.

I disagree that it isn't a decision though. I think making a conscious about light or dark can strengthen your motivation. A lot times, I waver on decisions. Part of me wants do something out of love for others, even though I know it goes against my self interest.

Now, if I resolved to become completely dark, my decision making process is simplified. The borderline decisions become a lot easier. If it helps me do it, if not, don't. With this new streamlined process, my energy would be much more focused. The more I think about it the more I want to polarize.
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Ok, I think I get it. You wrote in your 'are you a lightworker or a darkworker' that 1% of people are polarized at all. Does that mean that everyone else is at neutral?

I think it would help if you explained the middle ground as well.
I think our current model is overly simplistic. Saying, "Are you a lightworker or a darkworker?" is a bit like saying, "Are you health nut or a couch potato?" Most of us are neither, but that doesn't mean that there's not a useful distinction between "exercises once a week" and "exercises once a month".

Would you classify me as not a good worker because I don't put in 40 hours of overtime each week?

Would you classify me as not a good student because I get B's and C's sometimes?

Would you classify me as not religious because I don't attend every service my church offers?

I think we need a word to distinguish between the "polarized towards light" meaning of lightworker and the "fully enlightened" meaning of lightworker. (And contraiwise for darkworker, obviously.)

For example, I'm currently running a 30-day lightworker trial. But that's clearly the "polarized towards light" meaning. You can't be a fully enlightened being for just 30 days. But you can experiment with polarizing towards light for 30 days, and that polarization has value.

Similarly, although you can't become a fully enlightened or endarkened being without knowing it (as Steve pointed out yesterday), you can easily be polarized towards light or dark without really noticing it.

Once we have those terms, the middle ground becomes relatively easy. A level 1 lightworker is polarized towards light, but is not very far from the middle. They volunteer at the local food kitchen and tithe at church, but you don't feel love pouring off of them. A level -10 darkworker is someone with deep wells of power that allow them to meet their goals.

The middle ground, I think, is more about consistancy than effort. What makes me a level 3 health nut is not the intensity of my workouts - I was always chosen last for sports, and there's a good reason - but the fact that I do it every single day. What makes a level 1 or a level 2 lightworker is not the amount they give or the depth of their love, but the fact that every day, every person they meet is greeted with love and compassion.

I was watching Star Wars last night, with special attention to Han Solo. At first, he sounds pretty darkworker.... "Listen, I only take orders from one person... Me!" "'But they're gonna kill her!' 'Better her than me!'" But then he comes back and saves Luke while they're attacking the death star. You can never tell how Han's going to react - one minute he's a great friend and the best companion you could ask for. The next he's hightailing it off to cover his butt. That's what puts him in the middle.

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I disagree that it isn't a decision though. I think making a conscious about light or dark can strengthen your motivation. A lot times, I waver on decisions. Part of me wants do something out of love for others, even though I know it goes against my self interest.
I see it as a decision but not to stay polarized, but as to dedicate yourself to service. You can dedicate yourself to only yourself to start with and then expand that service later when you are good at it.

And while expanding your dedication to service you pick up all the atrributes of the darkworker in becoming a lightworker.

I may start with motivating myself to lose weight to satisfy my lust by making myself more attractive and once I feel that I get some results I will add the lightworker love of others on top of the original darkworkers motivation. That lust may have been the starting motivation and turns into more when I get results and find that I also can be motivated to lose wieght to be more energitic which will allow me to motivate others. All the darkworker's stuff is in a lightworker in a different form - a seed of a kind. It's not blending dark and light but a process that starts somewhere and turns into light while the dark pieces make more sense as expanded. Lust may turn into beauty for all.

Or one could stay motivated by lust, etc... Is that what is being said in this post/forum? That it's OK to stay motivated by being focused on yourself? Or rather that that is just as effective? Really? It seems that it would be most effective to start with darkworking and eventually take that into the light side to share it. What's the use of creating anything if it doesn't touch anybody but yourself?

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I liked this post a lot Steve.

The question I have, is what about when both polarities are pretty much valid? If you look great, you'll both set a positive example for others and be more physically attractive while dating..

You seriously have to choose one reason or the other to be efficient?
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I liked this post a lot Steve.

The question I have, is what about when both polarities are pretty much valid? If you look great, you'll both set a positive example for others and be more physically attractive while dating..

You seriously have to choose one reason or the other to be efficient?
I have the same question. It is an assumption Steve made to say one cannot be motivated by fear and love. I don't think he provided much to say why that assumption is valid. It's left to the reader to assume as well or wonder if it's valid.

I love the planet and fear we are ruining it - that motivates me to learn about being green.
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Ultimately, health is about one's needs as an individual. Fear and love may come into play in terms of the motivations, but the idea of being healthy simply to serve others doesn't make an ounce of sense, at least not to me.

One needs good health, regardless of the intentions to either serve oneself or serve others.

I think Wolfgang made a good point, regarding the natural flow of intention. At first, our needs may be fear-based, since they are rooted in survival. But once those needs are met, we can channel our energy into servitude.

If that is true, then that means that being a "darkworker" means staying a lower level of consciousness, since motivation is limited to the fear one feels for keeping one's ego nourished.

Through fear, love is found.

Fear is Love?
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I don't mean to put a damper on the whole article, as I thoroughly enjoyed how you looked at health, but the thing that kind of struck me as funny was how you said, "I weigh XXX pounds," and as I use a text reader to read your articles (especially the longer ones), it said "30 pounds," interpreting the XXX's as Roman Numerals. I was just hoping no Romans were reading your post, as weighing 30 pounds may be a bit extreme. Otherwise, great article.
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Now everything's clearer. A lightworker needs to mind about his basical financial needs too. When I think of selling out my music, I would only do it if I had not enough money to eat. That's what happened to Elvis, his family was extremely poor, and he knew he had to do it and he surrendered to the Colonel knowing he was going to have a long decadence of suffering.

Let's say Elvis was Darth Vader/Anakin and the Coloner was Palpatine/Emperor.

Some could think Elvis lived the greatest kind of life or so... but he was unhappy as hell, yet... he was "The King" that gave him kind of satisfaction.

Until The Beatles and others came (Dylan, Stones...) and he even lost his kingdom... and that drove him mad. He was a good guy really (just the same words of Natalie Portman about Anakin), he wanted to save his family. So, we can't blame him for that. And some darkworkers have no election, they HAVE to do it.

I prefer alternative jobs instead of joining the Dark Side, at least now, tomorrow never knows. But I don't think I will ever surrender to the temptation... I know by many synchs I have to follow the music path... so I do. But it so slow...

Elvis was never rejected... The Beatles were rejected 200 times and signed out a contract that gave them virtually no income. The fewer possible for a contract. They became rich after the split. But all their life they were proud of their adventure and what they did. John Lennon last words were "I'm John Lennon... from The Beatles".

That's it.
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I wanted to share this as it confirmed my experience thoroughly in terms of weight loss.

I put on an extra 10 pounds shortly before I graduated high school. I attempted numerous attempts stuck at "neutral" to lose this weight for roughly a 5 year period before giving up after almost fainting at the gym & chose to accept my weight.

Recently I found I had less energy & focused on gaining more energy in order to further my life purpose of serving others...basically I had a more outward focus. I've lost the weight I wanted to lose years ago & actually now eat 1.5 times more than what I used to eat. I didn't know why this occurred but your article Steve has clarified the reasons for it occurring for me. Interesting..just thought I'd share.
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I like the idea of polarities. But in practice, I can use love to dissolve fear. Fear is useful. It is energy. When I shine the Light of love into the fear, it serves me within a loving context.

Similarly, when I work with people who have a wealth goal, I allow the love within them to dissolve the resistances so that they are free to go for what they want.

In love, there is no fear. And if a person chooses to go the fear route, they have that freedom. it is not the choice for me.
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Has everyone forgotten the law of attraction! If you are doing something motivated by fear you are ultimately going to be attracting that in to your life!!!

Secondly if you want to do something like loose weight so that more people find you attractive, you are doing that because you love yourself, you love to feel appreciated, you love women, men, sex, too feel good or whatever....what is so dark about that!??? who are you hurting?

(yourself prehapes? for thinking you can only be loved if your goodlooking, well then go do it, see if it brings what you want and if not move on to something else, there is nothing dark here!)

If you focus on the love of it, all your going to is acheive your goals and be an inspiration to others!
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I had written: Was this the first blog post in which Steve used alpineboarder's notion of inflowing and outflowing?

Oh, scrub that, inflow/outflow is already in Steve's "Polarity" article.

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