'Lightworker' and 'Darkworker' too narrow labels - refusing to be labeled

[smallstar]

Cheers,

Steve, this polarity discussion brings to my mind:

In your earlier posts and podcasts you said that it one of your advantages was to be able to switch your point of view quickly from one point to another: you use Subjective reality thinking in certain things and Objective reality in others just because it works better. The same thing about religions: for each situation, you use what works the best.

While keeping that in mind, it now seems strange that you now recommend making one choice, having effects on your whole future, and being at least partially irreversible. Of course, this comes with the remark that you should not forget that you also have that other side.

At least for me, this does not work. Seeing what I have already accomplished on both light and dark sides, it seems foolish to make a restrictive choice to your thinking patterns. Of course, you should be consistent in any one situation. If you go to a bar in order to get laid (dark), you don't buy girls drinks (light). If you work to create quality (light), you don't constantly think about your upcoming raise (dark). However, you can and should go ask for that raise afterwards. A more important thing is that you apply the right pattern to the right situation, and that you don't apply the weak, or "mixed", pattern.

Steve, as you said earlier, you are not a Buddhist, you just happen to use a Buddhist thought pattern sometimes. I'm going even further, refusing to use the "Lightworker" and "Darkworker" labels altogether. Why restrict your thinking to one model when you can have two? I agree that the "mixed" model is weak. But why should you also sacrifice the other polarity just to avoid the "mixed"? If you can context switch between Christianity and Buddhism, Subjective and Objective, why would switching between Light and Dark be any different?

-SS

[yossarian]

I'm no expert but I'll give you a short answer to the conventional answer to your question. I would recommend taking this with a grain of salt.

As you choose one polarity, and then later on choose it again and again, and further and further dedicate yourself to it, there is sort of a doubling effect that happens. Each time you re-dedicate yourself to a chosen polarity the strength of the polarity increases in an exponential jump.

So for instance if you start with polarity rated as 1, then later on confront doubt but become determined again to follow the same polarity, your polarity becomes 2. Then when you choose it again it becomes 4, then 8, then 16.

It doubles each time, further increases the power of the polarity. The more you commit yourself to one avenue the better results you get.

Personally I notice this in my life. When I use a mixed system, and I have before many times, I do get a nice effect like you mentioned where I can pick and choose the "correct tool" for the job. However, trying the version where I dedicate myself to one and one only, it's like my results just kept getting better and better. I did have to make sacrifices or find new ways to do things - so for instance in the example where you ask for a raise I had to reorient my brain in order to pursue more money (if I needed more money) entirely in a way that would flow outwards. Essentially commiting any extra money to total outward flow. But this was just a reorganization of my thought patterns. The results of the dedicated polarity were much more profound and powerful over time.

The way I view it is that it takes work to reorient your brain to a totally dedicated polarity, but that the benefit of this work far outweighs the benefit you'd get from using a mixed polarity instead.

I see it like potential energy being converted to kinetic. It's like a pendulum. The pendulum has the most potential energy at the far outreaches of the swing, and the least in the middle. The further you move the pendulum to the side, the more power you get, and it is the power of the pendulum swinging down under the force of gravity that does the work.

Something to think about.

[sirkinm]

Small Star, thanks for raising some of the same questions I've been wondering, and Yossarian, thanks for the helpful response. Even though the system as you explained it makes sense and is a very appealing idea, Yossarian, there still seems to exist inconsistencies when you put it in the context of previous advice/ideas that Steve has put forth.

Now, I think it's tempting to analyze everything Steve has said in attempt to poke holes in it and call him inconsistent, and I want to avoid that. I see a little bit of that in the forums, with a tone of "See, he's not perfect and all-knowing after all!" Remember: Steve's not God; he's merely a god

Anyways, back to the question: I found great value in Steve's articles (and amazing podcasts) on subjective reality and his approach to religion. As seems Small Star was getting at, is it possible to utilize those approaches to life and simultaneously maintain the polarization framework?

Also, compared to other topics of discussion in PD, polarization seems to have the greatest significance. If not polarizing makes me ineffectual and the pawn of a polarized person, than isn't this pretty much THE biggest deal in PD, making all the stuff that came before small potatoes? Why have you been keeping this from us all this time, Steve . Just kidding - but seriously:Why haven't I heard of this before?

[yossarian]

Again, I'd recommend everyone to take my post with a grain of salt.

Well technically speaking, to the New Age philosophy, polarization *is* the biggest deal not just in personal development but in our existence here on this earth

As in, we come here to earth for one reason - to polarize. Our lives consist of stuff that gives us the opportunities to choose a polarity.

So according to certain people/systems, polarization is not just the most important aspect of personal development, it is literally _the_ reason we exist.

As far as you not hearing about it before, that isn't suprising since humans have very sophisticated brains that know how to block stuff out which the consious mind is not ready to believe. I mean we've all hear myriad crazy theories about all kinds of crazy things in our lives, and typically we dismiss them extremely quickly without any thought. This is just another crazy theory isn't it?

If you take a look at all major religions and keep an eye out for the distortions they've experienced, all religions also are about polarization. The "good" religions such as Christianity, Islam and Buddhism acting with positive polarity and then you have a few fairly secret ("occult") religions acting with negative polarity. You'll have heard of some of these - like Church of Satan by Anton LeVey - but many of these you'll probably never hear of since occult by definition means secret.

Anyway I'm just throwing these ideas out for you to grab onto if you like the sound of them. If you think long and hard enough you can consiously reach interesing (and related) logical conclusions, but most people who follow these paths tend to do it through intuitive approaches rather than logical, and so the world is not cognizant of its own behaviour. (And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, as far as I can tell.)

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by yossarian

Again, I'd recommend everyone to take my post with a grain of salt.

Well technically speaking, to the New Age philosophy, polarization *is* the biggest deal not just in personal development but in our existence here on this earth

As in, we come here to earth for one reason - to polarize. Our lives consist of stuff that gives us the opportunities to choose a polarity.

So according to certain people/systems, polarization is not just the most important aspect of personal development, it is literally _the_ reason we exist.

Where's my grain of salt? The way you talk about it makes it seem rather important to polarize. That we exist to become polarized. If that's true or effective I should be able to get this idea. I'm not sure which part of me needs to polarize since it has been said that a darkworker still will give and a lightworker has to receive or otherwise get drained. So if both flows are there, what part of me is polarizing?

As far as you not hearing about it before, that isn't suprising since humans have very sophisticated brains that know how to block stuff out which the consious mind is not ready to believe. I mean we've all hear myriad crazy theories about all kinds of crazy things in our lives, and typically we dismiss them extremely quickly without any thought. This is just another crazy theory isn't it?

Maybe my conscious mind is not ready to believe and I have blocks, ok. How to unblock this? I must dedicate myself to serving me or serving others, period, right? Is that what's being said? Is that all that it boils down to? Choosing to be motivated by serving yourself or serving everybody else?

This idea seems like something new, where lots of the other ideas like LoA/IM and SR have been writen in other ways in other spritual thought or physics.

Is there some parallel in, say the bible or other wirtings, that is like polarity? I'm just looking for more info to try to get this.

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Where's my grain of salt? The way you talk about it makes it seem rather important to polarize. That we exist to become polarized. If that's true or effective I should be able to get this idea. I'm not sure which part of me needs to polarize since it has been said that a darkworker still will give and a lightworker has to receive or otherwise get drained. So if both flows are there, what part of me is polarizing?

Your intentions are what polarize.

Maybe my conscious mind is not ready to believe and I have blocks, ok. How to unblock this? I must dedicate myself to serving me or serving others, period, right? Is that what's being said? Is that all that it boils down to?

Not at all. It's just a "big picture" view of our current existence here on Earth. There is certainly a lot of stuff in the infinite universe.

IMO being blocked is not the same as being unpolarized, but if you want to polarize reducing blockages is certainly a big help. A basic path is through meditation and contemplation.

There is no such thing as an authority on truth, and I am certainly not one in any kind of way.

This idea seems like something new, where lots of the other ideas like LoA/IM and SR have been writen in other ways in other spritual thought or physics.

Is there some parallel in, say the bible or other wirtings, that is like polarity? I'm just looking for more info to try to get this.

The entire goal of the Bible is to help people polarize towards service-to-others. Lightworking.

The entire goal of The Satanic Bible for the Church of Satan is to help people polarize towards service-to-self. Darkworking.

The entire thrust of the teachings of Jesus and indeed a large portion of the Bible is to learn to love others, to give without thought of receipt, to unlock the loving and selfless God within. It's all about polarizing further and further towards light.

The entire thrust of the The Satanic Bible is to learn to be selfish. To learn to love yourself above everyone else, and to further and further dedicate your behaviour towards your own pleasure, power, and control. LeVey's theory is essentially that each person should do what is best for himself.

If you want detailed information that relates to this, google "The Law of One". There is a lot there.

As always, the truth is what you know it to be. The truth resonates with your feelings. Trust your feelings, relax your expectations, and accept the world as it is. You aren't missing out on anything - the universe will always supply you.

[Kingston]

@ Wolfgang & Yossarian

Yes, trust your feelings.

The Satanic Bible is not what I view as the ultimate darkworker book. And the bible is not the ultime lightworker book either, for me at least.

My point is, just because the Satanic Bible is a dark book, that does not mean that if you don't like Satan, you can't be a darkworker. Bill Gates surely is not a Satanist. He is a businessman, and probably an atheist.

It is Reasonable to read scientific books, and literature from great writers. The kind of stuff you had to read in school, but where not ready for yet .

Ultimately, only your hart (or some other body part ) can tell you what's best.

[smallstar]

Interesting. The new post brings answers to some questions, but simultaneously shows signs of an even greater problem.

(BTW: the only real difference between you guys and Steve is that Steve does not say that his thing should be taken with a grain of salt.)

Now, think about a person who is truly obsessed with some little thing, say Bridge (the card game) or Numismatics (collecting coins), and truly takes his hobby as his life purpose. Since Bridge is all about learning and sharing information, the Bridge addict wants to make his hobby more widely known and teach it to more people, effectively making him a Lightworker. In contrast, the Numismatics expert sits on top of his collection and hoards in more coins, this makes him a Darkworker. Of course, this tells absolutely nothing about the way that person treats his spouse or children at home.

The obsessed person's mind can command tremendous energies, equaling those of a Lightworker or Darkworker. However, to him, the whole question of polarity as Steve presents it makes no sense. For him, the polarity would be Bridge - Non Bridge or Numismatics - Non Numismatics.

My response is hence this: there are more than two martial arts in the world, and you can have a black belt in many of them simultaneously. Steve's Light and Dark polarities may work for you, but alternatively some other "polarity" can fit better into your life. (Ever wonder why only 1% of the people are Light or Dark - perhaps it is the exact number of people this division makes sense for.) You can use it if it works, but don't let it restrict your thinking.

For me, at least, a Virtue-Reward -cycle seems far more natural and far more easier to incline with (as you can pick your favourite virtues yourself, instead of adopting traditional Light-Dark divisions.)