Can't get the lightworker/darkworker thing

[nvictor]

It's so confusing.

I've been told that becoming a creative person does not make me lightworker. I also read that darkworkers do care but their care is based on Fear, they struggle against Fear and transform it into energy. Lightworker think Fear is mere Illusion.

I suppose that many of us are darkworkers [including me], because we are all struggling against our fears. The day I discovered StevePavlina.com, it was through an article on success. I feared not being successful.

I suppose many of you have discovered StevePavlina.com for similar reasons. That makes many of us darkworkers.

I suppose that Personal Development transforms us from darkworker to lightworker because it teaches us that Fear is a thought [refer to Jesus, Buddha, Dalai Lama if you want].

Why are people still saying that darkworking is OK even in Personal Development? Doesn't it contradict the goal of Personal Development? Even Jesus faced fear the night he saw how He will suffer. He prayed his Father knowing He couldn't do anything about it.

I remember Steve saying in early articles how he wanted to become fearless because fear is just a thought. Has his definition of fear changed?

We really need more explanation Steve, please.

[yossarian]

Instead of focusing on the fear aspect consider the difference between love-of-others and love-of-self

loving others representing the lightworkers, loving self representing dark

imo fear is something unattached to polarity, meaning that you can struggle with fear and still be either type, since struggling with fear will accomplish whatever the goal may be. (being lightwork vs darkwork)

ultimately though progress is made through love, not fear. No darkworker will get far through conquering fear alone - this is measurably true. He must love himself so much that he can do what is best for himself beyond fear.

[JJH]

Originally Posted by yossarian

Instead of focusing on the fear aspect consider the difference between love-of-others and love-of-self

loving others representing the lightworkers, loving self representing dark

I don't think that is quite the right way to think of it either... If we go back to Steve's favorite example when explaining this (Star Wars), Anakin was turned to the dark side by FEAR of the LOSS of LOVE. Anakin didn't so much love himself - he was attached to the form of his loved ones (mother, Padme).

Anakin's turn to the darkside was through a need to control the world of form (save a loved one from death). A Jedi however lives in a state of non-attachment.

That's also why I'm not fully going along with Steve's "Darkworker" theme here. You can strive for power in the world of form (what Steve calls a dorkworker, and what most of our Western civilization was built on) ~ or raise your consciousness and EVOLVE (as Eckhart Tolle speaks of).

[Bruce Achterberg]

Originally Posted by JJH

That's also why I'm not fully going along with Steve's "Darkworker" theme here. You can strive for power in the world of form (what Steve calls a dorkworker, and what most of our Western civilization was built on) ~ or raise your consciousness and EVOLVE (as Eckhart Tolle speaks of).

Dorkworker, huh? I think that label may just stick, hehe.

*cracks knuckles in preparation to defend against all the dorkworkers angry at me for mocking their polarity*

[Jaben]

LOL, Bruce, thanks for emphasizing the o in Dorkworker. I almost missed that.

JJH, thanks for your post. Equating the dark side with operating on the level of form and the light side with recognizing the delusion makes a lot of sense.

Maybe a dorkworker is someone who operates on the level of form but thinks he's a lightworker creating something for the greater good of all.

[JJH]

Ha ha ha, that's awesome! I usually read my posts before I send em - but on that post I was compelled to just skip it... and that's why!!

Subconscious slip of the finger on the keys? My inability to properly control the world of form? I think that label's gonna stick...

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by yossarian

loving others representing the lightworkers, loving self representing dark

Accordinly to be paralized - typo! I mean polarized and not be sick, the lightgiver also receives love, sort of like a side effect. Giving to others also means love is around you.

So this kind of loving includes loving your self, it's like an expanded boundery of self love extended to everyone (which includes yourself), ultimately. Sense this boundary includes oneself, there is no need to have to expect love in return and it works great. Living in love and light.

Then look at a darkworker loving him/her-self as the boundary of where this individual's love reaches. It mostly reaches the personal boundary and is expecting the outside of self to provide even more love coming in. This expectation borders on controlling others or in disappointments, perhaps. In order to touch someone else and find more love, the darkworker will have to expand the boundary of where the love goes - to give to others along the way. (I think)


I don't know, it looks like there's a boundary that is expanded when being a lightworker.

[judge45]

I really don't think polarity and trying to understand it can be helpful to anyone.

It can't be explained properly and even Steve has to write 40,000 and then another 40,000 to get the point across which is a big confusing mess.

Then some else trys to explain it with another 40,000 words and confusion reigns

It just can't be helpful.

Conceive - Believe - Achieve and treat everyday as the last, it's that simple.

Everything else is just a sales pitch.

HTH

Jeff

[JJH]

nice judge45, keepin' it simple

[frankfortpost]

I don't agree with all of the assertions on the Lightworker-Darkworker theory, because what is missed is that all human beings do for themselves first, and others second.

For instance, if you give a homeless man a dollar, it is not out of pure charity, it is because not doing so would give you pain.

Therefore, to be a "lightworker" you basically sacrifice yourself in the service of everyone else.

But, there is no such thing as a self-sacrifice anywhere in the human record.

"Something" or "Someone" is always sacrificed.

So a lightworker does for others in the hope of personal or spiritual gain for themselves.

A darkworker, on the other hand, sacrifices everyone except for themselves, but, again, it is in the hope of personal or spiritual gain.

Indeed, polarization is most likely an effective tactic. But, you are either sacrificing yourself, or you are sacrificing everyone else.

As much as conflicting thoughts muddy the mind, I don't think polarization is such a great deal.

For instance, if Steve made no money on this website in the service of others, and could not support his family or his personal means, I think he would be hard pressed to continue forth as a "lightworker".

He could of course change paths, in the service of the lightworker paradigm, but if the family was hurt in the course of this, or close attachments, he may very well become a darkworker without fully realizing it.

Or, he would be stuck back in the middle. For instance, how can you go on supporting others, if you cannot first support yourself?

It seems to cancel itself out in the wide scheme of things.

It is my belief that all human beings work in service to their "spirit". Their personal commander and god. It looks out for #1 at all times.

If you would like to delve deeper into what I have said, look up the "What is Man" essay by Mark Twain on Google.