darkworking

[hardcore_dynamic]

I believe I am going to polarize to what steve refers to the "darkside." I have long been fascinated with Nietzche and have always aspired to be an ubermensch. I am doing the thirty day trial and I will see what happens. I do know that my mood has improved by finally allowing myself to meld completely with this side of myself without feeling any guilt or questioning this mindset.
However, i am worried about a few things:
as a darkworker, can i have a meaningful loving relationship? i am currently single and i am at a point in my life where i want a stable relationship.

steve wrote about karmic debt, can anyone elaborate more on this. I was thinking, if karmic debt is really like financial debt, then we should be able to securitize it and thus hedge our karmic risk profile. I have been exploring magick for the past year and perhaps using magick karmic debt can be "securitized" and transferred. Could a karmic capital market be developed along with a host of derivative products?
At the least, there ought to be some way to quantify your karmic leverage and risk profile. But in order to develop such a model, i would need to understand the concept more thoroughly. Also, Steve believes in a subjective reality, thus if you choose not to believe in karma, can it really exist?

Seeing as i really find myself relating to the darkworker side of myself, i really vibed with someone else when they said about how walking down a dark alley, the darkworker isnt scared because he thinks of himself as the strongest, most powerful entity in existance.

[Kingston]

I like Nietzsche too. Read all my recent posts in other treads for examples. And yes, you can have a meaningful relationship as a darkworker.

The karmic capital market exists already. Now you have to understand it.

Take care.

[hardcore_dynamic]

can you elaborate a little on your post?

how can i manage my karmic risk profile?

how should i approach relationships from this polarity/LoA perspective?

i am used to working with chaos magick and perspective shifting, how does polarity play into this? Steve seems to believe you will weaken yourself i you adopt an opposite polarity.

[jackdirt]

To expound upon karmic debt, let me begin from experience, yes you can postopone your karmic debt. You can postpone it for a long time, but it does not work the way you would think of financial debt. In fact the law of karma or cause and effect works much differently.

For every action you take there will be a reaction. Allow me to give you an example, if you are driving along and decide hey I am just going to cut this guy in front of me off for no reason, then Karma makes note of that. It may not happen in the same dy but it will happen to you.

Small potatoes right? Karma can be very debilitating if you have accrued a lot of debt. Your average person has more debt than you'd think. To be on the darkside and have no karmic debt is unheard of. In fact I have met people who can and do not hesitate to call karmic reaction upon someone. This occurrs in an almost instantaneous way, and you never know if you could instigate one of those people. Karma catches up to you and quickly, so let's say you do succeed in starting a relationship, the negative karma you accrued from cutting off the person in the car could resolve in your relationship. Most often times Karma balances you by doing negative and positive actiosn of equal value to whatever your action was. So to balance out you driving like an a**hole karma could decide that your significant other took some of your money without saying.

It can be very hard to predict what Karma may do to balance you but with enough attention and observation you can start to see the patterns. If you are hell bent on going to the darkside then just be aware you can avoid Karma but it will catch up to you. It will not be pleasant karma doesn't give anyone "slack".

[Kingston]

Jackdirt, he already knows negative karma will catch up.

Free advise for you. Heighten your mind by reading Steve's articles and search the web about writing well. People will understand you even better.

So, is pointing this out to you positive or negative karma... ? What do you think, eeh?

[Kingston]

Originally Posted by hardcore_dynamic

how can i manage my karmic risk profile?

how should i approach relationships from this polarity/LoA perspective?

i am used to working with chaos magick and perspective shifting, how does polarity play into this? Steve seems to believe you will weaken yourself i you adopt an opposite polarity.

Dude. You are asking a lot.

About the relationships, I did a post on that already in some other thread, click my name and search for the post "Love combinations of Light and Darkness".

Even if it has helped you at this time and level, "Magick" and perspective shifting is a degraded kind of psychology and philosophy. "Risk profiles" are scientific. These things don't mix. Find out what is the real scientific source of the magick nonsense, if you are well educated. Or lose the hedging science and go magick all the way. Up to you. One is mental, the other is intuition.

I am proficient in the language of investing, and I hope I have a good enough grasp of polarity to help you out. But this 'giving' of me to you is starting to drain me. You will have to fill me up with some REALLY good stuff before I invest in answering your question to the best of my ability. Some suggestions of things you can easily give me:

-Elaborate on the magick and perspective shifting. Tell me clearly WHAT you did and which FACTUAL results you had.
-Give me money.
-Give me some endarkend insight.

You get it. I sense we are of the same polarization. I like you!

Good luck!

[CeciL]

Originally Posted by jackdirt

So to balance out you driving like an a**hole karma could decide that your significant other took some of your money without saying.

It can be very hard to predict what Karma may do to balance you but with enough attention and observation you can start to see the patterns. If you are hell bent on going to the darkside then just be aware you can avoid Karma but it will catch up to you. It will not be pleasant karma doesn't give anyone "slack".

aww man if driving like an a**hole is bad karma I'm screwed!

[hardcore_dynamic]

Originally Posted by Kingston

Dude. You are asking a lot.
I am proficient in the language of investing, and I hope I have a good enough grasp of polarity to help you out. But this 'giving' of me to you is starting to drain me. You will have to fill me up with some REALLY good stuff before I invest in answering your question to the best of my ability. Some suggestions of things you can easily give me:

-Elaborate on the magick and perspective shifting. Tell me clearly WHAT you did and which FACTUAL results you had.
-Give me money.
-Give me some endarkend insight.

You get it. I sense we are of the same polarization. I like you!

Good luck!

i suppose we can make a trade.
I'm also quite into investing and do a little trading.

Chaos magick is a system of magick whereby you complete your magickal workings by adopting perspective or beliefs that are useful and with no need to continue believing it afterwards. It is far more complicated than that, and is really only one model to look at magick, but perhaps the most powerful.

This article outlines different systems of magick:
Spiral Nature - Magick - Models of Magic

chaos magick would fall under the meta model.

basically, for me, chaos magick involves sigilizing (or creating a visual symbal or chanted mantra) that encodes a statement of intent. i then enter a highly charged state, such as through meditation, drugs, or exercise while focusing intently on this sigil. then i dont worry about it and my intent should manifest.

this has worked for me, some situations with more or less success. I have used sigilization to ask for the following things, and they have manifested. when i conduct chaos magick, or get into a magickal mood, i adopt the belief that these results can be attributed to magick (this is one of many paradigm shifts). day to day i dont know if i believe in magick or not, depends on the day i guess. Lately, i havent been casting sigils or focusing on magick, which may explain that which i manifested is not 100% successfull. Anyway, what i have manifested is a prestigious internship (which i find im not enjoying very much lately), increase my grades, and a couple of one night stands (i actually sigilized both the desire to get with a lot of girls and also to discover girlfriend caliber women which hasnt happened yet). I also made it stop raining one day so i could make the most of a friday night, even though the forecast was for a downpour and it had started drizzling.
I have also done another magickal operation which is supposedly dangerous. it is called creating a tulpa or thoughtform entity. for a period i had a high degree of success (if you could call it that) with this. sometimes magickal thinking will make u feell like you are losing your [rational] mind.

i find the best way to charge sigils is using stimulants or exercise. but i also prefer excitory states of consciousness to inhibitory states.

Chaos magic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think thats more than fair consideration for now.

**i apologize if the above is a little scatterbrained, but i am burned out from an extremely tasking day and i'm too lazy to edit it.

[Kingston]

Hey, now that's the stuff I am talking about! I owe you.. And as a positive externality, others can profit from this too. Good karma investment for us..

Chaos magick seems to have some things in common with Subjective Reality..

Well, I manifested a shitload of work until Friday night, and after that I go clubbing, so you will have to have some patience with my payback. But if I think it over for the weekend, I can easily add some interest value as compensation for the waiting time.

[Kingston]

Read my thread on Karmic Risk Hedging.