Lightworker's difficulties to apply polarization on LOA.

[nvictor]

I don't focus too much on giving, creating, and helping. I'm focused on getting, being one of the best, and etc. Isn't it what we all do when learning something?

I've read books, followed tutorials, posted in forums, and I'm still not good at drawing. In the forums they told me to be patient, and I've been; I've been for almost 8 years. I've given up many many times though. Now that I know about polarization, I'd like to try something new by giving others what I've learnt from books and tutorials, by helping them to improve, and by replying to their posts this time. And maybe one day, I'd be able to draw as a master.

I believe I'm a lightworker. I want to master creative arts like drawing, making music and programming [don't ask for that one ]

Do you think that by helping others to achieve their goals, providing that my current knowledge is sufficient, I would make some progress? Do you think it is the right thing to do?

When I started C programming language and got that burning energy to help others with things I was learning, moderators in #c irc channel would voiced me off for providing false information [not all were though ] to new comers. I've learned to keep my fingers away from keyboard when I don't have much answer to give.

How can I change this habit now? How can I help people become good at drawing [for example] when I'm still myself in the learning process?

[Erock]

I don't really know a ton about polarization, as the first time I heard about it was through Steve. Maybe look at your intention for learning art. Obviously when you are just learning something it's hard to help others with it, but you can still help those that are worse then you (especially if you have doing it for 8 years. Believe me, I am worse than you). Here are two paths to being an art master that come to mind:

Lightworker: Sets the intention to become a great artist to create masterpieces that inspire others to do well in their lives, or to eventually open an art school and teach others art.

Darkworker: Sets the intention to become the greatest artist around, and make a lot of money selling his pieces, as well as reap the glory and fame that go along with being a talented artist.

Both these paths utilize polarization to get to the same place.

Sounds like you are a little conflicted. You initially just want to learn it for yourself, but in the long run you want to help others.

Just a thought though
Erock

[nvictor]

Yes, that's the problem. I'm not satisfied since I'm not as good as I want at arts. But the long-term purpose is really to inspire people. I'll definitely start helping others as a 15-days trial experiment.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Well if you think about it, Steve is still in the learning process about the full extent of the LoA as we all are, but that doesn't stop him telling us does it?

[Digits]

Ever read a book called "drawing on the right side of the brain"? Its a really good aid for learning to draw. I found a copy in my local library, and have had it rented out for awhile now. Not very dillegent with practice, but im still seeing some results. You should see something too, check out your local library.

[Simmiah]

Hmm...this posting & a couple of the posts got my brain going.

I also am a well.. not right now.. but I do write from time to time. & I majored & got my bachelors in it. However, I understand how you feel from feeling conflicted. When I was younger it was just for me & for others to enjoy but when I tried to do it the way my professors wanted me to (I believe they were more darkworker oriented...about being the best possible artist & having the glory of being the best writer out there) I experienced the worst writer's block ever. It was awful. It wasn't until I had a more lightworker oriented professor that I did a lot better with her doing my thesis & in her classes.

I think being conflicted creates writer's block. Just my theory because I experienced it. It was the only time I've ever had an awful time trying to get anything out. Wonder if you're experiencing a bit of what I did..floundering in the middle. Some of the advice I read seems pretty good here too too bad I didn't have this board when I was doing my BA.

[Chris_Stretten]

Originally Posted by nvictor

I don't focus too much on giving, creating, and helping. I'm focused on getting, being one of the best, and etc. Isn't it what we all do when learning something?

I've read books, followed tutorials, posted in forums, and I'm still not good at drawing. In the forums they told me to be patient, and I've been; I've been for almost 8 years. I've given up many many times though. Now that I know about polarization, I'd like to try something new by giving others what I've learnt from books and tutorials, by helping them to improve, and by replying to their posts this time. And maybe one day, I'd be able to draw as a master.

I believe I'm a lightworker. I want to master creative arts like drawing, making music and programming [don't ask for that one ]

Do you think that by helping others to achieve their goals, providing that my current knowledge is sufficient, I would make some progress? Do you think it is the right thing to do?

When I started C programming language and got that burning energy to help others with things I was learning, moderators in #c irc channel would voiced me off for providing false information [not all were though ] to new comers. I've learned to keep my fingers away from keyboard when I don't have much answer to give.

How can I change this habit now? How can I help people become good at drawing [for example] when I'm still myself in the learning process?

Food for thought... there are always people who have more knowledge on a subject than other people... You have 8 years of drawing practice (admittedly on and off) and therefore 8 years of experience. Can you remember what it was like on that first day that you decided to start learning to draw? There are people in that same stituation, and as far as they're concerned, you have more knowledge to impart on the subject than they have. Art and drawing (and I would say all art forms) are a constant learning process. I have been drawing all my life... as far back as I can remember anyway. I am a competent artist and I know what skills I have, and I certainly also know that I am lacking in other areas. I just have to view the masters works of previous eras, and of this era to see that.

Cheers,
Chris

[Narz]

If you don't know what you're doing, don't give advice.

Nothing more annoying than stopping to ask for directions and having someone "trying to be nice" leading me astray.

IMO, the whole polarization thing is crap. If you're all outflow you're burn yourself out, if you're all inflow you'll be unhappy (because of the human need to contribute).

Somewhat ironic that Steve talks about how you must choose between giving and receiving (recieving means you're a bad guy, "darkworker ) on a page with Advertisements (inflow/bad guy status for him) all over him it.

[nvictor]

Thanks for your reply Chris. Do you know where I can get copies of old masters drawings? Da vinci? Micheangelo? etc?

[Chris_Stretten]

Originally Posted by nvictor

Thanks for your reply Chris. Do you know where I can get copies of old masters drawings? Da vinci? Micheangelo? etc?

Hey there. You can find many of Da Vinci's sketches on the sacred-texts website. Da Vinci
Some of them are low resolution and hard to see... but it's the only resource I've found that has so many of them. Check the "plates" of the page to see the sketches.
For other Masters, look at this site: Art Renewal/ This is hands down the best resource I've seen anywhere for high resolution images of Master Realist art. There is a section on technique as well (albeit it's advanced stuff.)

Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Chris

[nvictor]

Thank you.

[siamesesilk]

nvictor,

It looks like, from what you said, that you are pulling yourself in opposite directions. I can see how it adds to your frustration. I hope I an providing some insite to this and not offending you in any way. Just look at your words again.

Originally Posted by nvictor

I don't focus too much on giving, creating, and helping. I'm focused on getting, being one of the best, and etc. Isn't it what we all do when learning something?

I've read books, followed tutorials, posted in forums, and I'm still not good at drawing. In the forums they told me to be patient, and I've been; I've been for almost 8 years. I've given up many many times though. Now that I know about polarization, I'd like to try something new by giving others what I've learnt from books and tutorials, by helping them to improve, and by replying to their posts this time. And maybe one day, I'd be able to draw as a master.

Okay, I can understand you want to draw like a master. Da vinci and Micheangelo are Masters indeed. There are many more Artists included in the master list. I too, am an artist. I am not a Master. My art is in my core. I am sure you feel similar if you love it too. Do you love to draw? The physcal act of drawing? The act of creating? In forums you are told to be patient. You state above that you have given up many times...but now that you know about polarization...What does your statement say? Your statement says, even by skipping these vitial Master steps, -patience,-determination,-dicipline, that I can achieve Master status through polarization alone.

What makes the master artists your masters? Is it their style, their intelligence a combination of both? What about other master artists?

You have to know something else. The Masters didn't believe they were the Masters at the time. They kept working, kept going. Never giving up and using their talents to be giving, creative and helping to themselves and to others.

Originally Posted by nvictor

I believe I'm a lightworker. I want to master creative arts like drawing, making music and programming [don't ask for that one ]

Do you believe mastering creative arts makes you a lightworker? Are you creating, drawing, making music, programming for the highest good of all to others and to yourself?

Originally Posted by nvictor

Do you think that by helping others to achieve their goals, providing that my current knowledge is sufficient, I would make some progress? Do you think it is the right thing to do?

Originally Posted by nvictor

How can I change this habit now? How can I help people become good at drawing [for example] when I'm still myself in the learning process?

You are asking, by helping others reach their goals, in turn will I reach my own? The answer here is no. I know you want to be a master artist. Then BE it. I know you want to help others. Help them and in turn help yourself. You can do and be both. Be patient with youself because you will have to be patient while teaching others. To be a master at anything, you will need keep learning, growing and believing. Teach others what you have learned yourself. Never give up.

[nvictor]

Thanks Michele for your careful insight
you're right. I just read about polarization and believed it can alone turn me into a master. It's untrue. I've given up several times because I wasn't patient at all. Even now, I'm not that patient. But I've made a new resolution that will help me a lot. I'm giving up completely TV in order free up hours in my days.

[siamesesilk]

nvictor,

Patience is very hard! I am impatient with myself with many things.

Giving up TV is a great way of freeing up some time. I've been without it for almost five years. The only time I run into it now is at the gym and I can honestly say that I don't miss it. Good luck to you Nvictor!