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I'm a little surprised to hear you say this (in my mind-reading ear!), because it's among the most basic concepts of personal development -- it might even be the most intrinsic concept of personal development. I would have considered that just about everyone who participates on a personal development forum, at least, would have that one tattooed on the insides of their eyelids (metaphorically speaking, of course. But you may be right -- it's good to be reminded of even the most basic concepts every once in awhile. But the concept that we must change things if we want them to change is not equivalent to "the past equals the future." Even the concept that "the results you've gotten in the past are a likely indicator of the results you'll get going forward" is not equivalent to "the past equals the future." | |||
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Reading a self help book, being all enthousiastic about all the change, yet not doing the exercises (or not doing them for more then a day). Reading about going raw, starting a trial and giving up after 3 weeks. If you do enough stuff, you might get the feeling that you are "working on yourself". You are "trying". When in fact, you are actually doing nothing. Yet you keep being optimistic about the future, thinking things will change, in a year I will be thin, happy, productive, what have you. Without taking the actions and following through on the actions that will take you there. It doesn't matter much of those actions are changing believe or making habits... I guess different things work for different people. One thing about delusional optimism is that it seems that you have no limiting believes, or negative unconscious believes about yourself (SEEMS, not reality of course So, that makes it very difficult to actually change them... Quote:
If he would have worded it like you said...? I would have gotten into my delusional optimism mode and said: oh, yes they are a likely indicator maybe, but my future is going to be different. I'm going to be great. I'm going to be fantastic. etc. So, although technically it might not be true (agree with all of you here) for some people, who are like me, the shock value is worth more then accurate wording | |||
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| Seeing this makes me wonder if you've ever read anything I've written (not that you *should*.) Of course if you only believe you have the power to make changes in your life, and you don't ever bother to use that power, you probably won't get the results you want. (the power, by the way, doesn't always require action, in the way we normally think about action. Often extraordinary change results from a simple shift in perspective -- the world literally transforms before your eyes, and your life unfolds from that point forward in an entirely different way, effortlessly). It has nothing to do with optimism; and I think you're right -- if you believe you have no more limiting beliefs, you're probably fooling yourself. (I mean "one", not you personally.) Being alert to the installation or running of limiting beliefs is a useful tool in noticing and releasing them. That's why I remark upon the notion that "the past equals the future." By the way: Quote:
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What I mean was that what my problem is, is Delusional Optimism. Which is a mind set that I tried to explain... Sorry if I came across wrong there I believe that what you are teaching here on the forums is extremely valuable. I know that you have played a great part in shifting my perspective about being responsible 100% for my own feelings, which has made my life A LOT better Its just... shifting of perspective is a great help, I truly believe that that is what makes the most deep and profound changes happen. But if you feel that you are daily already in the right mind set? That you already feel that you can do whatever you want to do? That there is nothing stopping you from doing what you want to do? If in your conscious you believe that you truly believe that? How do you shift your perspective from that? When you cannot see what is stopping you? When it isn't that clear? In order not to derail this thread too much, I've started another one, where hopefully I explain a bit better what I mean: Delusional Optimism | |
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I meant that I believe, I don't have any limiting believes stopping me from what I want.. which is not true, because otherwise I would be doing stuff, and I am not. That is where the delusional comes in. Talking about me, not you | |
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It's not delusional to believe you can get the results you want: we do have limitless power to change. But it may be delusional to believe that we are using that power effectively. | ||
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Personally I'm delighted to see that this post is doing exactly what I intended from it -- to stimulate deeper thought on the topic of how much conscious control we really wield over our lives... as opposed to being pawns of the past. I love writing articles where I know that some people will love it and some will hate it because they tend to do a good job of nudging people to re-evaluate their beliefs. I agree that delusional optimism is a real problem in this field. For all your efforts at conscious growth, what do you have to show for it? It's wise to do a reality check to make sure you aren't just spinning your wheels. Getting good at prediction is a big part of personal growth -- and too often overlooked. If we can increase the accuracy of our predictions for others, it helps us align with Truth in ourselves too. Yesterday I posted a public prediction on Twitter and Facebook that singer Kelly Clarkson would soon drop her tobacco sponsorship for her upcoming concert in Indonesia, despite the fact that she claimed her hands were tied and wasn't going to budge. Sure enough... today it was announced that the sponsorship has been dropped. This reality is a lot more predictable than most people realize. |
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I take full and complete responsibilty for this miss communication issue.. Lately I tend to forget again that other people do not live inside my head and do not make the same jumps in reasoning as I do. Nor should I expect them to. I knew this already but it has been slipping into the background in the last few days... So this thread is a wake up call in more then one way for me |
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We disagree, tell each other how the other view point is completely valid, point out the flaws in each others arguments politely, say how there might be a better one to try on for the other person... And then we agree with each other again Isn't that a lot better then making war, calling names and cat-fighting? Ok, I guess if you are an innocent bystander and a guy... maybe not | |
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I really enjoy talking with ssandra a LOT ... I love that we disagree a lot and help each other see blind spots, and that she's humorous and generous and loving, even when she's dead wrong about something. How long have you been a moderator, by the way? Congratulations on that! | ||
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I like disagreeing as well Just for the record; I am NEVER wrong I like that Angela can point out flaws in logic or present other points of view without the "I am right and you are wrong" mentality. While basically making the point "I am right and you are wrong" | |
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I've had my perspective and beliefs shifted here in the forums by other people doggedly expressing their point of view -- in very useful ways. Last edited by Angela; 04-22-2010 at 04:13 PM. | |
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I believe i am member of this group discussion. | |
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Another way is to start thinking differently from this moment on. Another way is to change your habits and let your thinking follow. | |
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BTW you don't react to others' replies either. Lots of my replies don't get reactions. If I received a buck for each of them I'd take a long holiday. | |
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I was a little surprised to see so many people having different opinions about this. I went through the post again to see if I had missed anything. The second time, it reminded of Steve's podcast on frustrating problems. Simply put, you have to accept the reality in your life as it is now. Unless you realise what your actions are broadcasting, perhaps unconsciously, it would be difficult for you to achieve your goals. If your goal is to run a marathon in a year from now, you have to practice everyday. Only visualising that goal will not get you anywhere. |
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You are right spirit4711, I can't reply to others. When i feel the topic is in relation with my thoughts then sure i talk with them. I have to admit, i have problem on online discussion. I need support and i am asking for it. Sorry if i look weird or self-centered. Even i want to understand LOA properly. I hope you are understanding to this. I needed answer because i tried to understand it. I love to see when people talk here, so YES, i have desire to talk with you all,too. | |
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For example, just a few years ago, YouTube didn't exist. Google, Yahoo and MSN dominated the top 3 spots for search engines. Today YouTube is the #2 search engine in the world. It is being used as a search engine on PC's, iPhones, iPads, Xbox360, PS3, Nintendo Wii and all the new TV's now come with YouTube built into them. This is just a tiny example, related to the Internet, but my point is that this kind of change affects EVERYONE, not just those who focus on their habits. If you're sitting still, it doesn't mean the world is sitting still around you. Everything changes. Secondly, even if you don't change certain habits, the results those habits produce change over time. I fail to see how my clients are any different than anyone else. We're all human beings. The world around us changes and we change all the time. The future does not equal the past for any of us. My clients or not. Quote:
For example, if someone eats Big Macs and burgers of that type of fast-food every day and in the last 2 years they've gained 10lbs, but don't exhibit any other ailments besides weight gain, it DOES NOT meant that in the next 2 years they're going to gain another 10lbs and everything else will stay the same. What could happen is that they could gain 20lbs and have a heart attack! Quote:
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What I do if I really want a response and I don't get one: re-phrase. | ||
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If Steve said "Your future won't improve unless you change your habits to improve your future." I would have no problem with the post. However, there is a big jump from that to "The Past DOES Equal the Future". That belief is misaligned from Truth. In response to Steve's two author's examples, I could offer this example from my life: Jenny (not her real name) was a smoker since age 16. Now in her mid-twenties she would often talk about quitting smoking. She would say "Tomorrow I'm quitting smoking" and she would quit...for a day or two. Then she would go back to quitting. In a four year period of time she "quit" smoking at least a dozen times each time going back to it. One day Jenny said "I'm quitting smoking tomorrow" and my mind automatically tried to think "Past = Future" and I thought "She's not going to stick to it." I didn't see any big difference in THIS TIME as there was in any of her previous attempts to quit smoking. It's been over two years and she hasn't touched a cigarette since. Once again the belief that "Future does not equal Past" was verified. Just like Steve, I too keep daily journals spanning back over 14 years ago. When I looked at them a few months back I saw some of the same of the same patterns from the past in the future when looking at a 6 month time-span. This kind of depressed me at first because I started thinking "Nothing's changed..." and it's really EASY to think that. However, I then had a second look and THIS time I asked myself what has changed in that 6 month period of time and I saw a TONNE of stuff has changed. It's easy to overlook those changes, but they are there. Last edited by impaul99; 04-22-2010 at 06:39 PM. | |
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For other people (like me) this article was helpful, because it made me realize that just being happy and learning stuff doesn't work. You actually have to apply what you learn in order to have positive change. Quote:
The future equals the past in a way like saying : I am unhealthy now, if I keep doing what I am doing, I am going to stay unhealthy. The degree might be worse, but in general it is the same thing. Unhealthy. Quote:
In the article it also states that you can change your past within 1 second. If this very second I decide to get up and go to the gym, I've changed my past in the future. Or, I've changed my future past. If I continue doing that, I can easily say the Past Equals the Future. I have been going to the gym daily, and I will continue to go to the gym daily. The past is not static. In order to change the future, you have to change your past, which is something you have to do in the present.... Basically: I didn't take it literally. of course things change. I could be hit by a bus tomorrow.. things changed. But, most likely, if I keep doing what I am doing, i will get similar results. | |||
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His point with this post from what I can gather is that the past will equal the future. So in order to CHANGE your future, you have to change your past. Which, in this case, means you have to start doing things in the PRESENT that will become your past, that will become your future. Which is clear as frikin mud, I know. Essentially the basis of his entire post is: take action today such that you create past reference points and habits that carry over into your future. | |
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Even if on the conscious level you use the limiting belief "Past = Future" to motivate short-term actions, having that belief installed in your subconscious is going to do more harm than good. Your subconscious is just going to take that belief at face value and think "What's the point?" It's kind of like going to a doctor and him telling you "You have Cancer. You have to start eating healthy to have any chance of surviving." when that is not true. The doctor could justify it by saying "By lying to this person I'm going to light a fire under their butts to eat healthy so they don't end up having Cancer." Would you want that? Would you want to be motivated by a lie like that? Even if consciously it "wakes you up" to go start eating healthy short term, the subconscious programming of the words "You have Cancer" spoken by a doctor to your face with a serious face and certainty can have a devastating effect on your biology. Bruce Lipton's work clearly shows that our biology responds to our beliefs, and our subconscious minds have the ability to manifest things that we believe to be true. On a totally different side-note, you said "just being happy and learning stuff doesn't work". Is that really true? It sounds like you're trying to inject someone else's beliefs into your life. If you were my client I would advise you that if you enjoy learning and it makes you happy, then continue to do so. Just because you don't apply everything you learn, doesn't mean that the learning was useless. Some people learn things to immediately apply them in their lives right now, while others learn for the joy of learning and may not apply things until some point in the future. Scanners like me are notorious for this. I took two years of advanced nutrition courses with no intention to ever be a "Nutritionist". I just learned about it because I thought it was fascinating. I train in martial arts with no intention to ever fight in any kind of competition or with anyone else. I train because I enjoy training. Of course it may one day prove to be useful, but I'm not going to feel bad that I haven't "applied" what I learned in class in "real life". Quote:
It's your life, you can do whatever you like, but I for one do not accept that false belief regardless how much temporary "shock value motivation" it may or may not create in my immediate future. Quote:
Otherwise, you could say that an honor roll law student that's been actively pursuing a Law Degree for 8 years but hasn't taken the bar exam yet is as likely to become a practicing lawyer in the next 2 years as a high-school student just thinking about being a lawyer. Using the same over-generalization I could argue that they are the same - neither of them are lawyers. Quote:
As Barbara Sher says in this short video, "You wouldn't ask a Hummingbird to pull a plow." YouTube - Barbara Sher: Design, Execute, Maintain (France, April 2009) Quote:
You can't consciously believe "Past = Future" and expect your subconscious to discern "The future will be better than the past as long as I change my habits" from that. Your subconscious takes things at face value. It's kind of like when a kid comes from school with a bad report card and their parents yell at them "You'll NEVER amount to ANYTHING!" over and over again. They are implying "Unless you get your act straight and change your grades" in that statement, but the subconscious mind doesn't hear that. 30 Years later the guy is an adult, unable to experience success, because that limiting belief is still playing in his subconscious. | |||||
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