Polarization (Blog)

[dibrisim]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

The answer to these questions lies within. Look inside yourself and ask why you haven't already phased out what you consider the "bad" in your own thoughts and actions. Or have you already become as loving and peaceful as possible?

When you come to grips with the appeal of the "dark side" within yourself, you'll understand that it's not something that can simply be swept under the rug by labeling it as "bad" and then trying to forget about it.

One of the problems in understanding subjectivity is our inability to reconcile it with existence of others and other things. One funny thing about our musings on subjectivity is that we jump straight on implicitly objective (read absolute) conclusions.

I would suggest that we consider “bad” & “good” in terms of results of our interactions with others and other things. If results are not noticeably “good” (to everybody’s liking), than the opposite should be considered. (More on my Orchestra and Togetherness pages.)

[dibrisim]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

In some ways fear and love polarities can create similar-looking outcomes, but in other ways those outcomes will be miles apart.
---- SNIP

From my perspective fear stems from ignorance. We are afraid of our own death for a simple reason: we actually do not know what it means to us. (All our religious believes do not really help here, although there might have been some people that reached actual knowledge. But then, the ignorance and fear with it where gone.)

I would agree that acting on our fears may result with positive outcomes and that acting on love could result in negative. (I know quite a few ladies who would not like to do unto me what I would like to do unto them.) A dilemma? Not really. What counts are positive outcomes in our interactions with others. In this, learning about others (and other things) plays a critical role, eliminates ignorance (fear) and leads towards more harmonious interactions.

There is no polarity between fear and love.

[jacmac1]

I love the way you think Alpine! What an inspiration. Very beautifully put and honest.

Originally Posted by alpineboarder

I find the whole concept of polarity to be an absolute intriguing modern tie-in to good vs. evil, light/dark, etc., but , at the same time, is it not true that from a higher perspective, that whatever we know in our minds to be true becomes so? If we believe that on some deep level our intentions will not work if they are somehow mixed with inflowing and outflowing purposes, doesn't that also make it a truth?

Polarity is highly inspired and an excellent game for the mind, and it will help an enormous amount of people because it resonates within their "belief field" just enough to stretch themselves to see better results. Like everything, it will serve it's purpose as is intended. But is it not at the same time just another limiting belief that tells the mind that if you mix the two it will produce undesirable results? Another judging outcome?

Everyone always seems to be looking for new techniques and theories on manifestation because they subconsciously feel they don't know the best way to bring about their intentions (be it faster, more easily, for the good of a certain group...). And it is in that where the very answer is to what they're seeking! If you feel you can't do it the best, then you won't! They are looking for new and better concepts from others, because they doubt in themselves, they have yet to realize that its within their own minds they dream their dreams, and it is with that very same mind that they bring those dreams to life. Why look outside yourself for what takes place entirely within?? Polarity perhaps is the absolute truth for Steve, because it came from his heart, and he is the master of that tool, he is discovering himself, as we all are except he is looking internally and we are looking externally. Just know what is right for you, never limit yourself and you will in return never be limited in your thinking. Unlimited thinking is what creates a great mind, and a wonderful view of everything in this world.

You are a fascinating individual Steve, you search for what many never open their eyes to see. In showing them your windows to the outside world, it serves as a light for everyone else to realize that they've had their own windows all along. Just as it did for me

Keep up these awesome vantage points, they are inspiring! And don't mind me, dark/light workers, keep up the practice. I'm simply pulling the out-of-the box thinking even further out of it's very own box. The wise ones know it never ends

Okay now a question to ponder: was what I just conveyed yet another limited thought?

[dibrisim]

Originally Posted by alpineboarder

I find the whole concept of polarity to be an absolute intriguing modern tie-in to good vs. evil, light/dark, etc., but , at the same time, is it not true that from a higher perspective, that whatever we know in our minds to be true becomes so? If we believe that on some deep level our intentions will not work if they are somehow mixed with inflowing and outflowing purposes, doesn't that also make it a truth?

I’m always wary of use of “absolute” in any form and meaning. It does appear as a power grabbing exercise rather than a quest for truth. The concept might have gained strength in our Western thought during internal, political struggles between Christian factions some two centuries after Christ. (Women bishops of the time were quite intriguing episode.) The “recognised holders of absolute truth” were implicitly entitled to be ultimate judges and dogma was born. For more than thousands years the concept has been ingrained in our habitual thoughts resulting in a quagmire of 17th century philosophies and science that latter fell apart in numerous schools of thoughts all in search of illusionary “absolute truth”. By now, nobody was able to spell out a single one resulting in desperation that “we will never know anything for sure” well reflected in a school of thought called nihilism.

I would suggest that we change the tack and focus ourselves to a coherence of our truths, rather than thinking how insignificant they are in “absolute” terms.

Originally Posted by alpineboarder

Polarity is highly inspired and an excellent game for the mind, and it will help an enormous amount of people because it resonates within their "belief field" just enough to stretch themselves to see better results. Like everything, it will serve it's purpose as is intended. But is it not at the same time just another limiting belief that tells the mind that if you mix the two it will produce undesirable results? Another judging outcome?

I have already expressed my reservations re polarity. It seems that many ex-Buddhists and surface glimpsing outsiders failed to hear the sound of one hand.

Originally Posted by alpineboarder

Everyone always seems to be looking for new techniques and theories on manifestation because they subconsciously feel they don't know the best way to bring about their intentions (be it faster, more easily, for the good of a certain group...). And it is in that where the very answer is to what they're seeking! If you feel you can't do it the best, then you won't! They are looking for new and better concepts from others, because they doubt in themselves, they have yet to realize that its within their own minds they dream their dreams, and it is with that very same mind that they bring those dreams to life. Why look outside yourself for what takes place entirely within?? Polarity perhaps is the absolute truth for Steve, because it came from his heart, and he is the master of that tool, he is discovering himself, as we all are except he is looking internally and we are looking externally. Just know what is right for you, never limit yourself and you will in return never be limited in your thinking. Unlimited thinking is what creates a great mind, and a wonderful view of everything in this world.

I have already expressed a simple "measure" for our truths, i.e. how they "fit together - within us and among us. I would also stress the importance of "among us" for there is no better way of keeping our thoughts "in check". They need to be tested by others, otherwise "how wild our thoughts can run" could be well illustrated by example of solitary confinement and its impact on our well being.

Originally Posted by alpineboarder

You are a fascinating individual Steve, you search for what many never open their eyes to see. In showing them your windows to the outside world, it serves as a light for everyone else to realize that they've had their own windows all along. Just as it did for me
Keep up these awesome vantage points, they are inspiring! And don't mind me, dark/light workers, keep up the practice. I'm simply pulling the out-of-the box thinking even further out of it's very own box. The wise ones know it never ends

Okay now a question to ponder: was what I just conveyed yet another limited thought?

Well said, but residues of “absolute truths” and measurements of our “relative truths” against them (towards insignificance of the later) still remain.

I have even better question. Could anyone, PLEASE, let me know a single “absolute truth” that will remain unchanged for ever? (Physicists, modern version of priesthood, have tried with “universal” constants but they are falling apart on almost daily basis.)

[alpineboarder]

Originally Posted by dibrisim

I’m always wary of use of “absolute” in any form and meaning. It does appear as a power grabbing exercise rather than a quest for truth. The concept might have gained strength in our Western thought during internal, political struggles between Christian factions some two centuries after Christ. (Women bishops of the time were quite intriguing episode.) The “recognised holders of absolute truth” were implicitly entitled to be ultimate judges and dogma was born. For more than thousands years the concept has been ingrained in our habitual thoughts resulting in a quagmire of 17th century philosophies and science that latter fell apart in numerous schools of thoughts all in search of illusionary “absolute truth”. By now, nobody was able to spell out a single one resulting in desperation that “we will never know anything for sure” well reflected in a school of thought called nihilism.

I would suggest that we change the tack and focus ourselves to a coherence of our truths, rather than thinking how insignificant they are in “absolute” terms.

Very good point, and based upon past evidence. Power grabbing, yes; the allowing peace-of-mind that you are creating in every situation of your life, definitely. The lust for power is part of human desire, in fact it is the very component of nature. Not right nor wrong in any way, it simply is. It only strays away and becomes "wrong" when we as the developed minds we are place that judgment upon it. But exercising the right to also declare it wrong in the first place, and to imply that we must deny it, is exercising that same 'naughty' power all the same. Power is simply choice, and preference. A deep sense of infinite possibilities. And none of those terms are wrong, right, or even both. They are what they are, everything in between them and yet none of them. Choice, or power, is the living expressive-essence of what we term as 'free-will'. So then when does reaching for freedom from the perceived unchangeable become wrong? Whenever we say it is so. The past can hold us to limits, and it's when we question what was that we can become inspired to not use it as evidence. What if we've never questioned the past tellings of the earth not being round, how long would it have taken someone to risk falling of the edge to come to a higher realization?

By no means are our truths insignificant under any terms, for they shape the very perceptions we choose to have of our entire existence. They are not meant to be avoided, nor should they become a prison that we cannot escape from. But, as Steve put so well, wake the cave-dwelling bear by opening his cell door for him, and some are bound to get quite cranky; and others grateful beyond comparison.

Originally Posted by dibrisim

I have already expressed my reservations re polarity. It seems that many ex-Buddhists and surface glimpsing outsiders failed to hear the sound of one hand.

I have already expressed a simple "measure" for our truths, i.e. how they "fit together - within us and among us. I would also stress the importance of "among us" for there is no better way of keeping our thoughts "in check". They need to be tested by others, otherwise "how wild our thoughts can run" could be well illustrated by example of solitary confinement and its impact on our well being.

Why reserve anything? To reserve is to withhold from yourself an experience you deserve with all your being should you choose so. The ex-Buddists are the same as you and I, to be embraced for they also have heard the sound of that hand, but perhaps in a different way. My perception of the color red could very well be equal to the color of blue for you, and either way we would both stand correct in our "truths". There is nothing that needs testing, only the living out of; to obtain the new and exciting emotional experiences. It only becomes a 'test' when we desire to put judgment where we decide it belongs to measure up our truths, and improve upon them as we see fit. Some view how wild our thoughts can run and hold a sense of fear, while others become starry eyed at the vast possibilities in store for them.

Originally Posted by dibrisim

Well said, but residues of “absolute truths” and measurements of our “relative truths” against them (towards insignificance of the later) still remain.

I have even better question. Could anyone, PLEASE, let me know a single “absolute truth” that will remain unchanged for ever? (Physicists, modern version of priesthood, have tried with “universal” constants but they are falling apart on almost daily basis.)

Absolute truths are our relative truths, they are one in the same! But this is good! Your question is the answer to mine. You have found the limitedness in this concept, and are expanding even further on this idea. The earth isn't flat after all, questions are answered with questions... and so the wheel of truth turns

[dibrisim]

Originally Posted by alpineboarder

Absolute truths are our relative truths, they are one in the same! But this is good! Your question is the answer to mine. You have found the limitedness in this concept, and are expanding even further on this idea. The earth isn't flat after all, questions are answered with questions... and so the wheel of truth turns

It might be worthwhile to re-examine some elements of the reply for traces of absolutes... (Old habits are tough to break. )

I would also suggest to investigate a subtle, but important difference in meanings of "power" and "force"... (Although they are too frequently considered to be synonyms. )

If you do not mind, it does not matter.

[Vipa]

This thread and Steve's post on the matter really interested me.

My personal view is based on a sense of oneness as opposed to a sense of duality. Therefore surely the terms light and dark only serve to divide and are perhaps only part of a reality that is not 'one'.

It's easy to say that you dedicate your being to helping others as a light worker, yet surely there is no such a thing as a true altruistic act as to do any such act is to be motivated by wanting to feel good, or if something outwardly adverse taskwise then you do such so it sits better with your conscience.... both of which are selfish and indicative of dark working. What I am trying to say is that working to the benefit of the world rather than yourself is something that in doing, makes you feel better about yourself; a paradox as this resulting feeling and motivation is selfish.

Therefore to be a lightworker is to be a dark worker still, and to be a dark worker is to remain a dark worker. In the sense of 'oneness' there is only 'dark'.... and that darkness is light and dark combined. It's hugely paradoxical but then so is this thing we call life.

Anyway that's my few cents worth, though strictly speaking cents should read pounds being that I'm in the UK.

Peace, Vipa


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Originally Posted by dibrisim

Well said, but residues of “absolute truths” and measurements of our “relative truths” against them (towards insignificance of the later) still remain.

I have even better question. Could anyone, PLEASE, let me know a single “absolute truth” that will remain unchanged for ever? (Physicists, modern version of priesthood, have tried with “universal” constants but they are falling apart on almost daily basis.)

I would say causality and infinitely expanding circles, existance in it's own right.

[peacefulmind]

I’m not sure if someone has written on this point before if so sorry here it is again. Ok, so I spent some time meditating on this topic and I came out with nothing that is until I was reading a religious book and in it was talking about frame of mind. While I was reading polarization just popped in to my head. So any thing we do can be looked at from the point of a lightworker or a darkworker. It doesn’t matter which one you choose as long as it works for you. As a lightworker if you are lets say working in a job then your purpose for doing so is to provide for your family, to make money so you can give it to people in need, to make the lives of the company’s employees better ext. On the other hand as a darkworker you would work in order to gain power, to make a lot of money so that others will respect you ext. If we do not polarize then we do not have a firm idea of why we do what we do, causing a lot of confusion. The thing that I am currently having difficulty with is what if you want to be a lightworker, darkworker but you feel drawn to the other side.