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02-20-2007, 06:35 PM
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All right. I confess: I doubted Steve Pavlina on his claim that he graduated in 3 semesters. I think doubt is healthy and one should not just bindly believe what one hears. So I contacted the CSUN, where Steve said he attended. Here is a reply I just got: "Due to confidentiality, I am unable to give you specific information about Steve Pavlina, but I will tell you that what he claims is true. He did transfer into the university with some units already completed but he took many many units each semester and did graduate. It is an amazing accomplishment. Shellie Hadvina" Hurray! I am so happy I wasn't disappointed. I just thought I would share it to those who, like me, may have doubted. And my apologies to Steve that I had to ask...  |
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02-20-2007, 07:32 PM
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The things people find to doubt continue to surprise me. Why does that seem to inconceivable? I started college when I was 16 and it technically only took me 4 semesters. I was at school for 3 years but I switched schools after my first year, and none of those credits counted. I took at least 24 unites a semester against much advice, worked full time, and I still graduated with honors. I understand not taking everything at face value, but of all the things to doubt why something like this? Because it is objectively verifiable? It has never occurred to me that Steve would lie about anything. Adrienne |
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02-20-2007, 10:23 PM
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These stories can be quite inspiring, yes, but intimidating as well. I just thought, why am I not doing impressive things like that, and came to the conclusion that I suck. I think it all boils down to envy/jealousy with which I have quite a long relationship. Being an Estonian doesn't help either.   |
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02-20-2007, 10:38 PM
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It's all about focus. When your "why" is that important, you find the "how" more easily.
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02-20-2007, 11:07 PM
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I only knew two beach volleyball players from Estonia and didn't know much about them.  (This could also be because of my relative dislike of ball games..excuses excuses...)
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02-21-2007, 08:15 PM
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I tend to question a lot of things, but unless someone gives me a reason to, I don’t disbelieve what a person is saying. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they are telling the truth as they know it. Now I might questions, ideas, or concepts that they have put forward, but my first instinct is not to say, “well that sounds hard, so I think it is probably not true.” People thought flying is impossible as well until people invented a plane. I would have been on the sidelines saying, “sounds hard, but awesome (or whatever the cool slang of the times  )I think questioning is a great tool, but I guess when I think about it, it comes down to, you believe someone, or you don’t. If I could not believe something like that from Steve, how could I believe other more complicated things he says that can’t be proven as easily (in an objectively reality view)? When your bf or gf comes home late, do you ask them where they were then check up on them? Or do you just trust them. What it comes down to is I trust Steve. I trust him to tell me the truth as he understands it. Now, I may question how it can be applied, or used, or how it is possible, how he came to that conclusion, or he methods used in gathering information, but I believe that he has my best interest at heart, and is telling me the truth as he knows it. Could he be wrong? Sure. Could his testing methods be inaccurate? Sure. Could you always find someway to prove the opposite if you want to? Absolutely. Adrienne |
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02-22-2007, 11:25 AM
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I trust Steve, too. This comes from listening to my intuition and feelings.
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02-22-2007, 12:31 PM
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People often think I'm dumb and naïve because I tend to believe people so easily. To me everyone is honest by default until proven dishonest. I think it's because I'm so honest myself, I automatically assume that everyone else is too! Dumb, maybe, but that's how people are. Doubting is healthy, I suppose, but from my experience the people who most often doubt other people's honesty are usually not so honest themselves... Or maybe they've been betrayed couple of times too many, but aren't we all?
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02-23-2007, 04:35 PM
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You have your way and I go the opposite way: I don't trust someone until I get a good reason to. Maybe I verified the info to get a good reason to trust him... | |
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02-23-2007, 05:47 PM
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I'm disappointed. A true skeptic wouldn't give up so easily. Shellie Hadvina Shellie Padvina She lied Pavlina S Pavlina, he lied Hmmm...
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02-23-2007, 07:26 PM
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She'll always be my Evil Rain Pan.
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02-23-2007, 11:54 PM
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Hey, I'm standing right here! Oh, I like Nirvana Pile. I'll go for that one. Because Evil Rain Pan means "bad wet bread" and I hate soggy carbs.
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02-24-2007, 08:48 PM
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dalante I never cease to be amazed by human beings...that you would invest the time and trouble to investigate Steve. If you are so mistrustful, then why are you here? Have you had such bad experiences in the past that you distrust everyone and everything you come across? He wrote that in order to inspire people that impossible is nothing.He didn't have to share that information with us but he chose to. I trust him and receive a great deal of value from his writing otherwise I wouldn't be here. You really should learn to trust. I'm sure you'll be a lot happier once you do Ughh! Last edited by Adrienne; 02-24-2007 at 09:45 PM. Reason: delete personal attack, calling someone pathetic |
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02-24-2007, 08:57 PM
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I hear no voice of complaint from Steve. In fact he found the whole matter quite amusing. You shouldn't speak on the behalf of the other people, if their attitude towards the matter is evident and clear.
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02-24-2007, 09:48 PM
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| This is just a reminder to play nice. I deleted a couple sentences that were calling people names. Everyone is free to have their own opinion and we dont need to chop at people whos opinion is different then are own Adrienne |
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02-27-2007, 04:13 PM
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My words are probably not communicating my feelings properly, because I have been light-hearted since the beginning of this thread. Trekr's words did not make me angry. It doesn't matter whether people accept all of what Steve is saying or doubt some parts. I can understand both sides. It however appeared that trekr seemed rather angry at me (you even had to delete some words, Adrienne). Look at treker's use of verbs. She uses imperatives: "accept it", "don't read it" then unsollicited advice: "you should learn to trust." I completly believe in the idea that if you want to change someone, it's probably a part of yourself that you want to change. That is why I invited her to re-read the article. By suggesting this, I am being called defensive. I don't want to get into conflict mode, hence my response "i love you". Last edited by dalante; 02-27-2007 at 09:15 PM. |
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02-27-2007, 04:35 PM
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and i agree as well that if you want to change someone you need to change your self. I just think it was great that you turned the conversation by saying i love you. So, i thought i would say it back since i do love you. Adrienne | |
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