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| Well, I respectfully disagree. Jesus, is said to have visited Tibet and studies at Tibetan monasteries for about 3 years. Church, for their own reasons, do NOT want us to know this. But ask any Bible scholar about the record of Jesus from the age 16-19, and they would agree that time period just glossed over.
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Okies, I have been reading this stem of the forums, and ... well ... from all that I have read, Nietzsche summed it all up by the stating ... "The Earth hath skin, and the skin hath diseases, and one of these diseases is called Man." The thing is, Opinions Vary. That is the one thing humans need to learn to deal with. It seems that the majority of what was said were personal feelings and personal opinions; and it all seems to try to blend or merg into an argument; where everyone is trying to be the correct one. And since Intelligence was mentioned a few times well ... Intelligence is learning to deal with other peoples opinions. For in the spans of life, to learn anything ... you need all the opinions (and just to mention it, not correct spelling.) - anywayz. You need all the opinons, you need all the facts, you need all angles within life, just to find your own unique Truth. Oh, and the Intelligence ... is knowing when to just .. shut up, and listen. (or read as the case may be) So, who is right. You all are. And aye am not meaning to put anyone down, for it is within the mergence of opinions, and the arguments that are required; that anything can really be defined. So, and thusly ... thank yee all for the reading, for the arguments and the replies that put others down - well, yee pretty much summed up the human race. oh, and before I forget ... the taking over of yerself in dreams. Aye for one have to say that is pretty freakin kewl. And aye recently heard of turning your back on monsters in dreams to make them go away; well ... turning your back on opposition; just does not sound right to me. When aye finally was able to take over myself in dreams; aye learned to watch all, and confront all. For only in situations of the nightmares, with the enemy in front of you, are yee actually able to come up the with reasons and means, of being safe. And just in case, if yee are akin to my own self - all it takes to begin to take over yerself in dreams - make sure to look at your hands. And that is within the dream; for the seeing of my hands started it all. Well, it was actually the seeing of my hands that gave me the idea of self, and once that was allowed to be gained ... well, self is only one thing - the individual, and everything else. okies, getting kinda long. I end. |
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I saw Kerouac's Dharma Bums mentioned in this post. The whole premise of Dharma Bums is basically how to cultivate a subjective reality. Whether Steve's read Kerouac or not, Kerouac would be a big fan of Steve's for spreading 'the way.'
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There is a difference between the writings of Nietzche, Dostoyevsky, etc., and a PD blog. They are a whole different genre, a whole different world. Nietzche doesn't give you tips on time management, on how to sleep well, how to discipline yourself more, and so on. Is reading Nietzche gonna help Steve in giving us useful life tips? No. Most people don't read his blog to be a "follower". They read his blog because it offers useful things that benefit their lifestyles. Nietzche doesn't exactly help with that. And do us all a favour, ImOpen. Don't argue with personal opinions. Some people do find Nietzche boring, and lots of people find your posts ridiculous. Arguing with personal opinions won't change anything, because they aren't fact. |
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I've been getting a lot from this forum, especially Adrienne's posts, and Steve's writings. I also get a lot of enjoyment out of philosophy, art, literature, music etc. To me these are very important areas of life to build a full human life. I am reading this blog for different purposes. I really don't think it matters, because I don't think anybody is going to change the name of the blog, but I have to say that the title 'Personal Development for Smart People,' did intimidate me. I have considered myself intelligent for most of my life, but I found this blog/forum at a time when I was very depressed and low in confidence and I thought maybe a place for 'smart people' would not be completely accepting. |
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Ok, to put my two cents in... This blog is helping me a lot in the pursuit of my goals and I like Steve's take on many topics. However, I do agree with some points that ImOpen raised. From what I have gathered, ImOpen is young (so bless her energy in supporting her opinion), and faced difficulties in her life when she stumbled upon Steve's website... When introduced to the concept of Intention Manifestation and Steve's view on the nature of reality, she freaked out a bit (I read that from her, if I am not mistaking). Now, Intention Manifestation is a great way to see life because it made me (and other people) realize that a lot of things are actually in our control (much more than we think) and that we attract things that we intend/visualize. BUT, I am wondering how long the Intention/Manifestation model can hold in the face of traumatic, unexpected events. I would find it very insulting to explain IM to certain people, such as survivors of the holocaust, September 11th, Tsunamis or Bagdad bombings... I would NEVER dare to say to these people that what happened to them is the manifestation of what they intended. That is to me the limit of IM. In the face of complexity of reality, a lot of philosophy books were written, and that is what ImOpen was getting at. If you want to get ideas about the meaning of life, of reality, then I suggest that you read classics of philosophy. These texts are much harder to understand than this blog, they're not an easy read... but they go deeper into things. I am not into ImOpen's cult theory, because Steve hasn't asked any money from me, and he's genuinly helping me out, without expecting anything back from me (unlike some organizations such as scientology). But the types of theories he uses and the way he presents them ("I know the true nature of reality") could be used by a cult leader to attract simple minds who are in need for direction in their life. Voila! Thank you for this blog and this forum, as it is bringing a lot of positive change into my life Take care! Last edited by dalante; 02-08-2007 at 11:53 AM. |
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I love when people have passion for what they talk about too. I am glad that Imopen, set, and Markus are sharing their opinions and helping to create this great conversation. As to the idea of subjective reality/ IM breaking down when used when used for disasters, I understand why people think that, tho I disagree. Lets take a smaller example and then reeve it up (and I will even pick a controversial one).. Rape victims/ victims of abuse. Lot of people see this as a great tragedy and never should happen. While I agree, that I wish no one wanted to hurt anyone and I hope one day we live in a world where we don’t have a word for victim because they just don’t exist, today they do. Now does the abused attract the abuser or vice versa? None? Both? Both. Why? You cant have one without the other. An abuser wants a victim, I think it is obvious as to why. Now what most people would see as the harder one.. why in the world would someone attract being hurt? Well, to learn. Sometimes learning is painful, but sometimes our greatest lessons come from that which was the most painful. I have worked with rape victims and victims of abuse. While some break, others find a new since of purpose, they grow in a way they probably would not have. I heard this somewhere.. it might have been Steve’s blog but might have been somewhere else. Rewind time back before the abused and the abuser were born. The entity that will become the abused says, I want to learn forgiveness and inner strength. The abuser agrees to help them with this. The abuser might want to understand abuse of power. In life now, they act these out to learn. The abuser learns the misuse or power, and the abused inner strength, acceptance, and ultimately hopefully forgiveness. For some people the harder the lesson, the more it is ingrained. Now, on a grand scale of disasters. I won’t say I know the specific purpose people need to learn. But did we create it? Yes. Think of what we learned from the recent tsunamis. • How 1st world counties are so far removed from nature. • How we have to respect nature. The less we respect it, the more we can we be hurt by it • Shows the character or the counties and people around. Who rises in the face of disaster, who does not? • Lots more… I can understand not wanting to take responsibility for actions like these. But if you don’t acknowledge that part we play in this, how can we be empowered to not let it happen again? Responsibility is ours, whether we take it or not, it is still everyone’s. Denying responsibility is the same as not making a choice to make thing better, you just ignore it. What happens when things get ignored, they get bigger, they don’t go away. Adrienne | ||
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Moreover, are you telling us that 6 million entities asked to learn about forgiveness, so they were born as jewish people right before the 1930s and many other entities agreed to help them, so they were born as non-jewish German people in the same time? Quote:
What about the tsunamis in Asia? They hit countries that are considered to be developing countries... Then again, you assume that we believe that nature has a personality and wants to take revenge. Quote:
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Every situation can be looked at a horror, a disadvantage, or something to learn from. I chose to take the one that is most empowering. I would rather be empowered and try to change things then to believe lives can be lost without point. Everyone is going to die. We have not found a way to change that yet. Yes, 6 million plus people chose to died in the holocaust. Is that horrible? Yes. Would they have died anyway? Yes. But why just chop it up to horrible? Why not learn from it? Subjective reality means that you accept the responsibility that you are the cause for everything. Do you think it is easy to take that responsibility on? For me, it is not. I do it. But it is hard to look inside yourself and say, “what in me do I have to heal to stop people from killing each other, hurting each other etc” I don’t see this as an easy solution at all. Heck, it would be a lot easier to escape to my own island and present the rest of the world did not exists and people did not kill people, but that does not stop it from happening because on some level I would still be aware of it. Not everyone of those 6 million died for the same reason. Some perhaps for forgiveness, some perhaps to show the world what happens with abuse power figures, some to fight and just take it, and so much more. Think of what their deaths of taught us, the people who came years, decades after them. It is a tough concept to swallow because when you do, you realize you have the ability to change it and you haven’t. For better or worse, I have created the world I live in. I can see why this looks like an easy, solve all answer concept from the outside. But it is really just a doorway into a whole new area. And the doorway is not all that easy to get to. Once you walk thru tho, the true force of the magnitude hits you. There is a whole other life with much deeper struggles (try accepting that you are responsible, just you for the hate and fear that created the holocaust, that someone within you is the hate and fear needed to create that) and much higher rewards because just as I am that which created the hate for the holocaust, I can also create the love and tolerance for peace. I can’t prove it until you believe it. Once you believe it, you find your own proof. And yes I have explained to rape victims and such. Not within minutes, but eventually. Many I know have risen above it, learned, and become who they feel are better people. The situation forced them to grow in a way they would not have. Most (that I have talked to) would go thru it all again to be the person they became. As to tsunamis in Asia, nature has always been a forced not to be reckoned with. I don’t mean to say that the ocean wanted revenge. What I mean is more along the lines of, nature proved to us how little we really know. We had no warning. However, little villages with elders with little western influence without all our sophisticated technology knew. There towns were destroyed but their people lived because they knew it was coming. And I agree that “too rich to fit into a couple of axioms.” Adrienne | |
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| I feel the same way. I also think ImOpen brings to light a lot of ideas that are healthy to be skeptical about. I don't think there is anything wrong though with looking to an expert on PD on PD. However, I think it would be unhealthy if everybody started doing Tae Kwan Do or playing poker, or whatever else Steve enjoys doing. Ultimately, people have to be themselves and do what interests them. I don't think the world would be such an interesting place if everybody had the same interests, read the same authors, enjoyed the same activities. But I do think everybody trying to be their best and understanding things on a different level would make a real interesting world to live in.
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"Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand." Albert Einstein |
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You say that Steve is neglecting his cultural side. You obviously don't know Steve, so how could you come to that conclusion? Maybe he is extremely cultural and he just hasn't expressed that side of himself because he doesn't find it relative to the site? We all have strengths and areas of interests. I am interested in the paranormal, and spiritual, but am not very interested in history. Does that mean that I am some how lacking? I don't think so. No body is interested in everything, and no one is knowledgable of everything. If Steve has no desire to read any of those authors you discussed, then you should respect that. |
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Those experiences have enrichened and formed me to the person I am today and I probably would have been a different (less open?) person if I had not travelled as much. What I'm saying is that I can partly relate to the message of the opening post. | |
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I don't see the relevancy in the opening post. Why should Steve have to do all that reading and traveling in order to share insights? What do pessimistic philosophers like Schopenhauer (whose writings are basically worthless in my pinion) have to do with living a life of purpose and joy? And what do suffering kids in India have to do with this specifically?
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As someone who has traveled extensively for cultural reasons, does recognize a van Gogh when he sees one, I can say for certain that world travel has tremendous value for any sensitive thinking person. That said, aside from world leaders who I think should be REQUIRED to travel the world and stay in local hotels or with local families for at least 3 months and on at least 3 continents, the rest of us should come to this as desire in the course of their personal journey. I truly gained a deep appreciation for the similarities of all humans in my 14 month trip through Europe and South / South-east Asia. Of course I had many adventures, saw many beautiful things, and had a great time overall. If it interests you at all, plan and go. If not, explore what does interest you. Above all, follow your heart and your mind where it wants to go and do it with pride and grace. |
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Erin and I visited a foreign country a couple months ago. We reviewed the experience here: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...y-trip-review/ Hope to visit more alien lands in the future. |
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I hope you are still on the forum because I do think you started an interesting conversation. I just wanted to give you another point of view, as it seems you are very distraught by the bloggers lack of travel or readings in your preferred genre. I also want to say that I, similar to other people that have already responded, have traveled extensively throughout the world and read some of the books listed above plus others. However, that's neither here nor there, I just want to say that I do understand your point. Just a couple other points, though: 1. Why would you want to have any medium (book, author, artist) contain all the information that you relate to? It sounds like you want the blogger to list experiences you relate to in addition to personal development. Why? If you want to know more about art, wouldn't it be far more enjoyable to see the works in a museum, learn more about history in an art class, or try to create your own piece of art? Similar to the books. Personally, I do like art, books, plus reading this blog from time to time because it allows me to see outside the box in very different domains. Reading this blog is not the same as traveling in different countries of Africa, however, so of course a blog can't substitute for that. In a similar manner, if you want to try to think of ways to motivate yourself to start a business perhaps, reading Dostoyevsky may not help at that moment, but reading this blog may have an idea or two. 2. Aren't you attacking the medium rather than the message? You also seem very upset because there are advertisements, etc, on the blog. If you want to read a book on personal development, don't you need to go into a bookstore and then purchase the book? You can go to the library, but someone else is still paying for the availability of the books. Or, you decide to go to see a painting by your favorite artist at a museum perhaps. Was the painting done for free? The internet is just another medium, the same way that television or books are a medium. This is interesting in that--far more information is available. Just because there are commercials on a television program or on a blog, though, it doesn't make the product a bad thing. 3. Instead of casting stones... I do think you have a point, travels (not just tourism or pretty pictures, but in depth studies of a culture, interviews, etc) could add a facinating aspect to personal development. The same goes for works of art. Often the history behind the work is very interesting and perhaps that could work hand in hand with writing on personal development. So, why not start your own blog on that very topic? Feel free to post links to your blog, I'm sure others would check it out. Or if you find an interesting blog on travels, etc, put a link to it. It's easy to cast stones and point out the weaknesses of a something that a person has created. However, if you have a different vision, use that creativity to make something. | |
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I too wonder why Steve does not travel outside of his own country, and why he doesn't seem to be interested in history or science. For example, it is quite odd listening to him talk about the purpose of humans and completely disregard the Theory of Evolution.
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What can I say, it's amazing and depressing to see how badly and wrongly the original thread starter's message was received at the beginning (the first page of this thread), and how distorted and unfair most answers were. Then it is understandable (but equally depressing) to see how the thread starter began to exaggerate and push his claims further and further into pure trolling territory, attacking persons and not ideas, and becoming exactly what most people mistakenly believed him to be at the beginning. In fact, at the beginning, he just pointed out that it's good to read philosophy and literature, too. But then, people said that he attacked Steve, and therefore, he began to really attack him (and all other forum members). Now he's probably not even following this thread and laughs at us all, forever turned away from the idea of reading personal development materials of any kind, and insulting his friends who happen to like some books or websites, and telling them the story of how members of the most visited personal development forum attacked him for expressing some simple opinions. Can we blame them? I don't think so. |
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Absolutely. I've "been there" someday. After my frustrating experience I quite long perceived any "nice" words about "people at these forums are sooooo supportive and kind" with a large portion of cynicism. In fact, people are often cruel here. But the other fact - there are indeed many people who are always genuinely supportive. What's funny that Steve is usually both... or let's say, he's "unpleasantly" supportive. You got me I think anyone should just filter out responses to her/his threads and to get over something unpleasant or cruel. |
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this is fine, if people don't criticize others, we'll never know how other people feels about them. at the same time, it'll broaden the views of the person writing or sharing his ideas. take it as constructive criticism and build on it. ^,^ |
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There are also a lot of of philosophical reasons why the theory of evolution doesn't provide you with an answer to the question about having a purpose. | |
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Interesting. I definitely agree with the OP on many points. Despite being on this forum for over a year and reading a lot of stuff, I do sometimes wonder what starving kids in Africa, or AIDS victims or slave-trafficked women in Burma would do if they were to read about "manifesting their desires". They'd probably cry at American ignorance. How shall we manifest a solution to poverty, gentlepeople? Just because it's out of my mind, does not mean it does not exist. |
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Don't make assumptions about the poor, especially as if they're a homogenous group. There's billions of them, for example. Also don't assume that just because they don't have giant plasma screens, they're worse off than you and need to be rescued. I've been there, so your presumption at knowing how they'd react is just arrogant. For example, a lot of the poor believe in some form of religion and some of them do pray, which sounds suspiciously like trying to manifest your desires. Seriously, fix your presuppositions about the "poor", otherwise you won't be able to come up with a decent solution. All of that said, there are indeed concrete problems. But you can't even get close to fixing them unless your beliefs are better aligned with the reality of poverty. |
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