Subjective Reality & The Holographic Universe

[NightOwlNation]

Hello!

I did a search and did not find a thread for this already started in
this sub-forum.

I really want to, first, say thanks Steve Pavlina for your writings about Subjective Reality. I feel it was the missing link for the new "context" of my life.

I've been studying the Holographic Universe, the Law Of Attraction and related topics. But had the strongest intuition that there was at least one more larger thing that could tie it all together more for me. So I kept on digging.

The Holographic Model makes so much sense - but the Subjective Reality teachings really bring it home. And together they offer more rationale for why and how the Law Of Attraction works.

There have been stepping stones all along the way, clues and signposts. Information that offered the same but only parts of the same. And what I find so astounding is that, from within these 3 perspectives, essentially everything can be explained. Always more can be learned, of course, but this is already so much if what I've been wanting to know.

I'm still catching up, searching out every article here that addresses Subjective Reality. Reading many of the articles more than once. And what I find is that my awareness vacillates between subjective and objective. I actually still find myself intentionally, consciously aiming for the subjective. Sometimes with meditation it is easier for awhile afterwards. But basically I think, have to know, that time is my friend here and that each moment it becomes easier. Until it will simply be my nature to see the world though a subjective lens, to feel and experience this in a naturally expansive way.

Some of the concepts discussed were thoughts that came to me, too! Like the idea questioning whether anything continues to exist outside of my senses, outside of my awareness at this very moment (this may have been on one of the podcasts). I think this way a lot. At night I do spend time wondering if what I could see outside my window, before I drew the shades - well, does it still exist?? Does it 'return' for me only when I pull the shades up in the morning? Things like that and more!

Anyway, I just wanted to share this and also express my gratitude for the writings here that are only adding to and enhancing my understanding of the construction and nature of my Life and the Universe.

Kind Regards & A Million Thanks.

[tomn8er]

Yes, I too cannot adequately express my delight in learning about such things as subjective reality, the law of attraction, and most recently, the metaphysical implications of quantum physics. It's nice to know I'm not the only one around here who's really passionate about weighty subjects like these.

This knowledge has definitely changed my life, in a very profound and positive way! For instance, I never believed in God before I gained a basic understanding of such things - and I still don't believe in God in the Christian sense, but rather see God as more of a universal pervasive force.

I can honestly say that I have learned more in the last 6 weeks or so than I have in all of my years of formal education put together! And I'm in 2nd year of university, btw. Steve Pavlina has been a big part of this learning process I'm undergoing, so thank you for helping me to open my eyes Steve!

Yeah, I confess that I also find it difficult to totally believe in subjective reality. I also find that meditation helps me to feel that I am a part of something beyond just my physical body. And that is an amazing, pacifying feeling.

The one area of Steve's explanation that I am still confused about is how he can reasonably doubt that others possess a consciousness.

By this logic, one can also doubt that others perceive things - I don't know what an apple tastes like to someone else, for that matter I don't know if other people can even taste anything at all! This skepticism can extend to all the physical senses. This seems to suggest that everyone else is fake, which is what Steve explicitly denies.

This is simply too unreasonable for me to believe, at least based on the explanation that Steve presents. I'm not sure how other people fit into subjective reality, but at this point I'd venture that since we are all part of the same consciousness, they too possess their own versions or portions of that greater consciousness, just as I do. However, then I start blurring the boundaries of subjectivity with those of objectivity, and this is where my understanding breaks down.

What is your understanding of how other people fit into subjective reality NightOwlNation? Or anyone for that matter. I'd like to hear a more in-depth explanation of how it makes sense to doubt that other people are conscious, and still regard them as significant human beings as opposed to fake robot-like illusions?

[NightOwlNation]

Originally Posted by tomn8er

It's nice to know I'm not the only one around here who's really passionate about weighty subjects like these.

lol! I know what you mean! I've also learned that when I'm out and about not everyone is cool with this type of discussion. I said something along these lines to a former employer/friend and the look he gave me! I know he's conservative but sometimes I forget myself.

I read your whole response which was awesome. I've been online for a few hours and am falling asleep. So I'll return when refreshed and try to give you a cohesive and worthy response that hopefully will make some sense.

[NightOwlNation]

Originally Posted by tomn8er

....I never believed in God before I gained a basic understanding of such things - and I still don't believe in God in the Christian sense, but rather see God as more of a universal pervasive force.

Yes, I think that our ancestors pretty much did the best they could with the language base they had, to explain things spiritual or mystical. And I think we are still doing this today. How the Unviverse or God is described now, I believe is a combination of this and also (from the objective and conspiritorial perspective) information that was hidden by others with an agenda, whatever it may be. I think its pretty widely known that some church leaders hold knowledge, texts, documents and other writings that are not commonly shared, even to this day. Though there are still others in places around the world who were willing to share, if we made our way to them. Like the Rosicrucians, Tibetan monks and others.And I also believe that within each of us is everything we need to know-even if it takes us time to become aware of it.

....Yeah, I confess that I also find it difficult to totally believe in subjective reality. I also find that meditation helps me to feel that I am a part of something beyond just my physical body. And that is an amazing, pacifying feeling.

Did you mean difficult to believe in objective reality? Not sure what this refers to.

Meditation can be very helpful I think. Sounds like your experiences have been good. I also found myself experiencing expansion. Like my body and awareness was no longer seperate from something larger. This happened for the first time last year. And a few other times since. I'd love for this or something better to occur every time.

....The one area of Steve's explanation that I am still confused about is how he can reasonably doubt that others possess a consciousness.

....I'm not sure how other people fit into subjective reality, but at this point I'd venture that since we are all part of the same consciousness, they too possess their own versions or portions of that greater consciousness, just as I do. However, then I start blurring the boundaries of subjectivity with those of objectivity, and this is where my understanding breaks down.

I know! I still live in both worlds, so to speak. Increasingly more in the subjective but being human, the objective still looms. I find myself moving between the two worlds it seems. I really look forward to the day the scales tip and the subjective reality is what is dominant.

What is your understanding of how other people fit into subjective reality NightOwlNation?

...I'd like to hear a more in-depth explanation of how it makes sense to doubt that other people are conscious, and still regard them as significant human beings as opposed to fake robot-like illusions?

Well, I think that Steve explains it well in these blog postings:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...ctive-reality/

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...relationships/

I can't speak for him, of course, but he and others have written things that cause me to believe there is a lot more going on even beyond what we know so far. One thing that really feels accurate to me is that more than one thing can be true about something. Keeping what we know so far about the Holographic Theory and Subjective Reality in mind, I believe other people do have individualized consciousness within the construct of my Mind, to a degree, in my perception - and they also do not, in my perception.

How? I resolve it this way. I do see them as individual, as differentiated aspects or expressions of God. But at the same time I see them as really being representations of the different aspects of the only One be-ing, in relationship with each other - and also me and the world at large. Like trees, the ocean, dogs and cats, the wind....

I once saw a public service announcement and the narrator said something like:

There is only one sky, one tree, one ocean, one girl and one boy, one bird......and so on. I only saw it a few times but immediately identified with this. It was such a surprise and made total sense.

So I see it like this and then see all of that within the infinite container of Mind. Like Mind taking on or making use of various forms to carry out Its ideas, passions, wonderings, etc. (that's just how I put it these days - not sure exactly the purpose of life in any kind of detail or anything).

There's a doctor who researches the near death experiences of children. He interviewed a very young boy once. And when he asked him what it was like to have these experiences he was sharing the little boy said:

"It was like I was walking around inside my mind."

Now, back then I had heard about the law of attraction in the sort of new age way the notion was being bandied about. But I hadn't learned much more than that. And certainly the Holographic Model and Subjective Reality were nowhere in my awareness then. But when I heard what this little child had said I just knew it was true! And I knew it was a clue to something important.

Another stepping stone pointing to something greater.

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by tomn8er

What is your understanding of how other people fit into subjective reality NightOwlNation? Or anyone for that matter. I'd like to hear a more in-depth explanation of how it makes sense to doubt that other people are conscious, and still regard them as significant human beings as opposed to fake robot-like illusions?

I, too, had much trouble accepting Steve's theory that I -- not even he -- was the one and only existing consciousness. I refused to believe that other people and creatures were mere projections placed there to enhance my personal experiences.

However, when I brainstormed a bit on the concept, I came up with a solution as to how this might be possible while still allowing all other beings to be on an equal footing with myself, existentially speaking that is. Here the solution:

You are indeed the one and only current focus of God, the One Universal Consciousness. I and everyone else that you experience are NOT. This can be true for everyone when we think OUTSIDE the box of Space-Time.

Each of us exist WITHIN the Space-Time universe, and are locked into experiencing our awareness in a LINEAR fashion.

God is NOT locked into linear timelines, for All That Is -- including Space-Time -- exists and is contained WITHIN GOD.

Assuming the theory that each of us is one of infinite focus points -- or Points of Experience of God, it can be also assumed that God focuses on and experiences the Universe... one POE at a time. Hence the term FOCUS.

Returning to the concept that God exists OUTSIDE of Space-Time, He is free to experience each and every POE... AT ANY POINT IN TIME that He chooses.

To illustrate: I am God, currently focused on experiencing Space-Time through the ego personality you know as Rocket Surgery. None of you are CURRENT from my perspective, since all things occur in the PRESENT. Your "present" exists either in My (God's) past or future. My present POE is Me, Rocket Surgery.

In other words, I, God, am a TIME TRAVELER, hopping from POE to POE at each birth and death. Not being a prisoner of linear timelines, my previous POE could have been an ancient gladiator, my great grandchild, or even Steve Pavlina. Remember Back to the Future, where teenage Marty McFly meets his "older" self in the future? Both share the same, singular consciousness, yet both perceive the other to be a "separate" entity sharing the same point in Space-Time. The only difference is that God does not travel within one "body." God has the ability to live each and every life of each and every body... CONSECUTIVELY. And CONCURRENTLY. Ouch!

Concurrently from the perspective of the human ego that is locked in linear Space-Time. Consecutively from the perspective of God, who is not limited as such.

So, basically, if you imagine that everyone you meet is in reality YOU, experiencing human existence from a place in either your past or future that your waking ego has no memory of, then it becomes quite possible to accept that YOU are indeed the ONLY "current" focus of God's consciousness. Just remember that is only true from YOUR perspective, and that from everyone else's perspective, YOUR conscious experience is something that either happened in THEIR past, or is yet to happen sometime in THEIR future.

This is the only way that I was able to resolve the paradox created by Steve's theory. In other words, both are true. Yes, it is true that I am the only CURRENT focus point of God. But it is also true for everybody else. The REAL illusion is that God is experiencing each individual lifetime concurrently. The reality is that He experiences each lifetime consecutively.

Now the question becomes -- assuming one accepts this concept -- where does everyone fall on God's personal timeline?

My guess is that I, God, am experiencing my current "Rocket Surgery" personality hundreds -- more likely thousands or millions -- of lifetimes before I experience the lifetime of Jesus or Buddha.

Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say here, or am I just babbling?

Anyway, it's just a theory.

~ RS

[Excellent Lodestar]

The non-duality subjective reality talk sounds like Advaita...Is that where steve is coming from? I'm just getting into all this and my mind is getting blown in quantum leaps. this is all a "dream", right?

[absvan]

Yes, according to me Subjective Reality is nothing but Advaita Vedanta, a concept of Hinduism. For Westerners its called Non-duality.

[john6630]

I am new to all this and am not intending to state a postion to argue from but rather to share a thought and hopefully learn from the responses.

At first Steve's Subjective Reality struck a strong chord with me. As a kid (I am 59 now) I had those very feelngs...I am creating all that exists around me and when I am gone...poof...you are all gone.

But here is the rub for me...if ALL is from my consciousness...if the "out there" is really "in here"...then how can there be a Universe out there from which I am attacting my reality? How can I be attracting that which I have already created? I seems totally inconsistent.

Add to that...it seems to be a very "lonely" philosophy.

What I sense is that I do have a Subjective Reality that co-exists with all other Subjective Realities in a larger Objective Reality. I can answer the paradoxes Steve raises in several ways. The one about two intentions competing for the same result...well I do belive the Universe is capable of supporting competition...why can't the stronger intention win...survival of the fittest.

As for the abused child...as long as I am unaware of the abuse, I am not causing it...but once I am aware of the abuse, I am responsible for ending it. If I am unaware of "it", I did not create "it".

Well those are my ramblings...it is all very very interesting..but in the end, the comfort of applying the LoA is amazing, regardless of the intellectual understanding.

Oh...and if I have not lost your attention yet... another thought...I was struggling with the task of defining my "purpose" and I had a very strong Aha moment...

I think we get lost looking at the details...is my purpose to be a doctor, a priest, a world savior..etc. But the answer is much simpler...my purupose is Joy...to always feel Joy... and whatever I am doing at that moment is my purpose.. to EnJOY life. Based on that, I can simply answer my question. I am a programmer and I love to program....well programming did not seem to be a worthwhile purpose...but when I am feeling Joy in my programming I am expressing and experiencing my purpose...as simple as that. My purpose is to make very day, the best day of my life!

Any comments?

John

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

But here is the rub for me...if ALL is from my consciousness...if the "out there" is really "in here"...then how can there be a Universe out there from which I am attacting my reality? How can I be attracting that which I have already created? I seems totally inconsistent.

You're not. This is the problem with "the law of attraction." The name is faulty. I've been thinking about that for some time. It could be better called the law of creation/L o manifestation/intention-manifestation/that thoughts and physical reality reflect each other... But according to subjective reality, there is no "out there". When Steve says "I really have no doubt that the million dollars is out there and it's coming" (From podcast, 'the true nature of reality' I think) I believe he means "I have no doubt that it's possible." He's just fallen into a trap of some semantics that originate from an objective reality/outside-one-conciousness mindset. Nothing exists, before it pops into your awareness, as anything other than an idea, it was just a possibility.

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

Add to that...it seems to be a very "lonely" philosophy.

Steve has talked about this, and said it is not lonely at all, quite the opposite. It makes you feel connected with all that is. Here are my words on this:
Awareness cannot be lonely. It can only be aware of lonely/the feeling of loneliness. And only an ego will experience itself as lonely as it sees itself as seperate from all that is. Think about dreams - you are not lonely in dreams. Also, what is loneliness? All descriptions of loneliness I can readily come up with are fixed by the subR/all-within-one-consciousness mindset. A feeling of being seperate. A feeling of not being whole - that you're missing something. A feeling of sadness (suffering which ends with subR) that you need someone to comfort. A feeling of being small (in subR you are as vast as your imagination), limited, cut off from the world.
In subR, people are still whole people. Complex. In dreams people act just as, well, just as they do in this dream. The thought that people are not really there in physical and mental reality would make you lonely - but that is not the same as thinking they aren't aware. 'They are not real' is a lonely thought only when it means you can't interact with them, talk with them, touch them. If the people of the world were replaced with empty visual holograms, then an ego would be lonely! (a realized conciousness, I think, would still feel that bliss, and could anyway easily create new people to have the experience of relationship.) People are as real as your first ego. Your ego's inside your conciousness/awareness too. Other people don't have as many thoughts as your first ego, because you don't project as many thoughts onto them as you think of your own thoughts. But they still talk just as much when you meet them, and give hugs that can be experienced. And all those experiences are exactly as real, no more no less, as your thoughts and emotions. If you imagine other people have emotions, they do - you're just the only one who's aware of it.

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

What I sense is that I do have a Subjective Reality that co-exists with all other Subjective Realities in a larger Objective Reality.

I tried this, but I can see the idea that other people have individual awarenesses (that can be in conflict with my own by fact of their existence), when I really look at it, makes me very scared I tried what Rocket Surgery described too. No bliss there
I'm trying to decide to believe in subR. It's difficult for me to let go... Not to do it, but to decide to. "Can I really believe this stuff? Yeah, but..."

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

I can answer the paradoxes Steve raises in several ways. The one about two intentions competing for the same result...well I do belive the Universe is capable of supporting competition...why can't the stronger intention win...survival of the fittest.

as you believe it, so shall it be.

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

Well those are my ramblings...it is all very very interesting..but in the end, the comfort of applying the LoA is amazing, regardless of the intellectual understanding.

Yes! It's the mindset of abundant miracles! Let's all work with the most empowering beliefs - and nip that LoA terminology in the bud, *cough* pseudo-scientific magnetism *grumbles*...

[john6630]

I need to process your excellent comments a piece at a time..to much to chew and swallow all at once...

Concerning the "out there" vs the "in here" question...I am not a physcist but I do love to study the popular writings on quantum physics, etc. (e.g. Fred Alan Wolf etc). From what I understand of the physics, all reallity exists as wave functions which are probability distributions of possibilities...ok so far...and that "reality" does not manifest until an observer (aka me) collapses the wave function via my observation ("awareness"?)...and that sounds ok also...so the idea of my subjective reality is my ability to collapse the wave functions as my intention and awareness dictate...but doesnt it still rely on the pre-existence of the wave functions...aren't they the "out there" that I am attacting (or better, collapsing)...so it seems the wave functions...the fields of all possibilities as Chopra put it...is the "Universe" and it forms the objective reality umbrella which is the context for my subjective reality...and if you and I both intend/manifest the same things, we are re-enforcing the wave functions for others (i.e. learning, experiencing, etc). So it seems to me there is an "out there" that we all participate in...and which the physcists are discovering and studying.

Ouch...my head hurts LOL...to much thinking, I think...LOL

John

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

I need to process your excellent comments a piece at a time..to much to chew and swallow all at once...

Ego says thank you for the compliment

I'll gladly talk more about it if you form more comments after you're done chewing

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

Concerning the "out there" vs the "in here" question [...] "reality" does not manifest until an observer (aka me) collapses the wave function via my observation ("awareness"?)...and that sounds ok also...so the idea of my subjective reality is my ability to collapse the wave functions as my intention and awareness dictate...but doesnt it still rely on the pre-existence of the wave functions...aren't they the "out there" that I am attacting (or better, collapsing)

Quantum physics, waves becoming particles when observed and all that, is a fine belief (if one is not into occam's razor ), and it does fit the words 'subjective reality' (in that here MOST of reality is subject to awareness) but not the philosophy that our Steve is talking about (or so I think, I'm not 100% sure how SteveP looks at this level of it).
All that you are talking about here build on the idea of objective reality. The objective reality foundation is very thin here, but still ruling. I have no qualms about you believing that, but if we want to get into Steve's god-conciousness subR (SPsubR) -
You are saying the waves exist independent of awareness. SPsubR says nothing exists outside The One and only Conciousness (1C). Actually, 'nothing' is a concept that only exists inside 1C too. Possibilities only exist inside 1C, too. If 1C doesn't believe in wave functions, they don't exist. If 1C never comes up with the idea of wave functions, there's not even the possibility that they exist.
When you dream (I love that analogy, it's so perfect) you are not collapsing waves, are you? It's just imagination. THIS is a dream, just one with stronger emotions and where the logical mind is never turned off. Physical reality does not exist seperate from 1C, not even quantum physical reality.
I believe these waves explanations arise out of incongruencies - the closer we look, the more we poke holes in objective reality, the more we unravel it with the wonderful thought "there must be a logical explanation"

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

but doesnt it still rely on the pre-existence of the wave functions...

SubR only relies on 1C's imagination, creativity. And 1C is both the source and the experiencer of that creativity

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

and if you and I both intend/manifest the same things

(according to SPsubR) There is only 1C, 1. Only one intender.

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

So it seems to me there is an "out there" that we all participate in...and which the physcists are discovering and studying.

It seems that way because 1C 'seems it'. The concept "out there" is in 1C, and the physicists and discoveries and studies are also all in 1C and only in 1C, and there is less than nothing outside of 1C.

1C is like a zero-dimensional object in a zero dimensional world. A 0d object without length, width, depth or time, a point. A point in a universe of more dimensions would have something outside of it, but 1C does not. It is eternal, unchanging, has no dimensions and no boundaries. It just is.
(Which is why this illusion of seperation is needed, to experience anything. Seperate places, seperate moments, seperate emotions... Nothing can be experienced without it's opposite, no hot without cold, no glory-of-god/nirvana/the-most-wonderful-feeling-of-Love-you-can-imagine without fear and suffering first, which is why 1C chose to forget its true nature)

1C is all that is.
All That Is = 1C's true identity.

Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor

[...]This is often paraphrased as "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest hypothetical entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.

[john6630]

Hi Shinder,
Again thank you for your thoughtful and well stated ideas.

It seems that SubR is indeed the ultimate Occam Razor solution. There are no questions that can be asked without SubR responding - "because I said so" LOL.

Seriously, I am really having a hard time believing in SubR without an encompasing Objective Relaity because it leaves me feeling empty and, yes, lonely. Where is the challenge and what is the purpose if all that "is" is only what I manfiest (what I say so)? Being an engineer, I do worship at the temple of "scientific thought" and SubR leaves no room for that. I am definetly way over my head in this arean of discussion and totally under educated on the subject. I think I may even have forgotten what the original quesiton was...oh yes, what is reality, life, purpose...and the beat goes on!

John

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

It seems that SubR is indeed the ultimate Occam Razor solution. There are no questions that can be asked without SubR responding - "because I said so" LOL.

I always ask, "why did I say so?". "Because I said so" is only fun in certain areas, and usually only after a 'why', in my experience. I don't quite see it as that. I have a purpose. To be and to experience the next greatest vision of the grandest idea I have about who I am. (which in SPsubR includes what the world is)

Also, 1C seems to stick things together logically, such as you cannot violate the laws of physics as long as you believe they are laws. (in SPsubR, the only absolute law is that you create the laws, what you believe=what is.)

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

Seriously, I am really having a hard time believing in SubR without an encompasing Objective Relaity because it leaves me feeling empty and, yes, lonely.

I've found that in this, you have to be careful not to think in terms of your ego - that your ego is all that is, and that it is what creates projections. Or that your thinking mind, which is part of your ego, is all. Such thoughts can linger in the deeper recesses of the mind and create false views if you're not careful to root them out - speaking from personal experience here. Consciousness can be directly, visually, aware of a whole world, or at least very large parts of it at once, such as when seen from a spaceship or during OOBEs/astral travel, and it can know a whole universe exists. It's full of a whole complex universe. You Are Infinite. Infinite! A separate world with fear and people who because of fear seek power over others would cry out against such a statement. And yet, there are books published with titles such as "you are God - get over it" We have already realized our power to create with our thoughts. That's some evidence to help shake off the chains. Egos would tell each other and themselves that they are small and relatively empty. Consciousness is grand magnificence as it's nature. And from that view, everything looks grand and magnificent (see comments on how it is to experience oneself as awareness, further down.)

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

Where is the challenge and what is the purpose if all that "is" is only what I manfiest (what I say so)?

The purpose is to experience (whatever you want). It is generally agreed that we want to experience better and better. Also, the purpose is just what you say it is. Nothing has meaning until you give it. This can, yes, seem downright shallow at first, if you have all your life been looking for meaning outside of yourself. If you look out there for a meaning and someone says 'there is no meaning out there', it seems like saying 'there is no such thing as meaning.' But when the meaning is self-created, completely based on your own values, it is fulfilling. "just because" is a magnificent state of creation. The reason it seems less is, I believe, because of fear, of others' judgements, because we try to go by the opinions of others. And in that, our own meaning always seems empty, because it does not live in others, but in ourselves. When I've known myself as awareness in meditation, and opened my eyes and carried that just a bit with me beyond meditation (before bad habits of thinking returned), the experience was one of being Very Excited about doing anything, to express myself, and feeling love, gratitude, for all that I saw. As Steve said, everything is intensely beautiful. When there's no fear, everything is suddenly a most precious opportunity to experience whatever you want and to experience yourself as whatever persona you create, and to create better and better. As Steve has also said, it's the process, not becoming an instantly-manifesting god, that is so enjoyable.
The chosen purpose is "to improve the state of consciousness" -SteveP. Which includes all that you are aware of.

The challenge is to work with your thoughts, your beliefs, to manifest what you consciously choose.

To identify as awareness, IT IS WONDERFUL!

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

Being an engineer, I do worship at the temple of "scientific thought" and SubR leaves no room for that.

SubR created science in the first place Science can definitely exist within subR, it just says that 1. you an get better/faster results by also working with pure thought/belief 2. 1C can annul and recreate any and all ideas and laws of science. It can still decide that "I like this level, this kind, of science, let's keep it up"

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

I am definetly way over my head in this arean of discussion and totally under educated on the subject.

Try not to complicate things, buddy - it really is just uncommonly simple. It simply says that consciousness is the container, not the contained.

You are not in over your head - you just need to be out of your mind
One's logical mind, of thoughts, does not seem like it can contain much. But awareness clearly can.

Consciousness comes first.
It does not arise out of brains, everything arises out of it.
Consciousness is the creator and container.
How many consciousnesses can you perceive, be conscious/aware of? One. SPsubR simply says that the empirical evidence is true. Back to basics. All you know for certain is that you're conscious and aware right now, and what you are aware of. And that's it, and that's it. The problem is stripping the mind of all the thoughts built on top of 'objective reality' - it's hard to speak of SubR from within that mindset. I certainly get headaches too

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

I think I may even have forgotten what the original quesiton was...oh yes, what is reality, life, purpose...and the beat goes on!

Purpose: To experience. The relative experience naturally and functionally gives rise to the experiences of progress and growth.
On higher levels in this game, you do not do something in order to feel an emotion, you feel an emotion and then you express it, experience it's physical, mental and personal counterparts, that is the experience of being creative. As when LoA-people say 'feel abundant' - then you will get the money that prove it (to use a simple materialistic example).
Life: experience of change.
Reality: it's real, and it is subject to conciousness.

I hope that clears things up a bit. Or gives rise to more questions

Aiming for Bliss.

[john6630]

[QUOTE=Shindra;44395]
You are not in over your head - you just need to be out of your mind

Love your insightful humor!! I do tend to think too much LOL.

Your comments are very thought provoking and I need to read and re-read them. Thank you for taking the time to help me on this path.

John

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by Shindra

I certainly get headaches too

note of caution: don't do what I did there. I had a headache for the rest of the day after writing it The Law works much faster, and more solidly, for me these days when I'm aware of it. The headache of course went away when I was not thinking of it, and then I'd notice that and remember the headache and it'd come back. I love this it's awesome to know this self-power, even when it hurts I thought it'd go away after a good sleep, so I don't have it any more.

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

Love your insightful humor!! I do tend to think too much LOL.

"My way of joking is to tell the truth. It's the funniest joke in the world." -George Bernard Shaw

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

Your comments are very thought provoking and I need to read and re-read them.

People often say that of my words, the same general thing and specifically that they'll re-read. I think that's interesting, and good, and makes me think I should make my words more structured - I don't make my forum posts to be mind-wash material I'd have shined them up more for that (not that this post will be a fine, shined-up one. I'm too excited by that light at the end of the tunnel )

Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com

Thank you for taking the time to help me on this path.

John

Help *you*? What do you think I'm doing? I'm helping me! Seriously - there was some writer who said something along the lines of: I don't write what I've already thought out, I write to think/to figure it out.
Explaining it to you is explaining it to myself.
And you're me. I know that intellectually deeply now. I've seen people be me so much ever since I started looking for the connection between thoughts and physical reality a few years ago. Everyone I talk with and get to know are always, unfailingly, a reflection of my own thoughts. I know I'm talking to myself (And I have to keep in mind how vast I really am when I think that, lest the world seems small-limited - an ego cannot hold a world.)
I'm glad I'm manifesting less doubting people these days, and more seeking. It shows me I'm getting there. Forums are like one of the indicators on the dashboard of my life, and a great one at that, with all the detail, they show me just what's in my mind, and I nod in recognition. I recently saw a post from someone who, like me, listens/listened to the two podcasts on the SubR mindset again and again. I/we am/are reaching for the true Self.

Here's something interesting:
You know how Steve talked about, "what do I know for certain?...All I know is that I'm conscious and aware right now."
I sat myself down and, starting at square one, I asked myself, am I aware? The answer I experienced was most interesting - I experienced I was actually not very aware at all. I was barely aware! I couldn't remember most of my recent thoughts. I was just drifting along.
(and barely aware of my awareness.)
And I found out that my thoughts are not aware of themselves - egos are not self-aware.
This helps me. How can other people not be aware? Well, this ego here isn't even aware! Only I am (and I've been half asleep). Egos are not aware of themselves.
It's easy enough to grasp that bodies are not aware of themselves. That's just a bunch of biochemistry that one can leave.
What's interesting is the next step - thoughts are not aware of themselves. Thoughts are not aware of each other, either. The mind is not self-aware. And! thoughts do not exist without awareness. Definitely. See where this is going?
Thoughts exist only on top of cognizance. A thought is like the color of a sphere. We can see the surface of a sphere, but not see, only Know the sphere. We can only see in two dimensions, but our awareness holds three. Most of the time, we are not aware of our own awareness/cognizance, or we are barely aware of it. Talk about 'sleeping awake'. It's like being 1% awake! well, I'll reasses that % statement when I have awakened'ness/buddha/enlightenment to compare it to, but it sure seems like it'll be a small number here, caught up in the middle of and identified with thoughts.

The world is created by thought, or at least is a direct reflection of thoughts. Nothing exists without belief.
Thoughts only exist with awareness.

The bomb: Egos are not self-aware. (hey, I made a bear-bomb. Go me this realization sure shakes my foundation(again). That old we-are-not-one foundation has some serious cracks in it now, yay! And truth and awareness is falling in and filling those cracks.)
An ego consists of body and thoughts and emotions. Things that don't exist without awareness.

Originally Posted by answers.com / american heritage dictionaries

symptom: "A characteristic sign or indication of the existence of something else"

all of existence is but the symptoms of consciousness


Intending(Intention-Manifestation like) to further this, I recently got an urge to play a single-player role-playing computer game. Now, I knew that that was just a game. But I still got startled in a slightly fearing way when attacked by monsters. How come? I thought the PC (player character) was aware, although vaguely and not putting words to it, because I identified with it. I projected my awareness onto, no, into it. Isn't that silly. The game was of course built to reinforce this, with messages like "You gained..." and first-person perspective. But it was still silly. One thing I wasn't afraid of was what NPCs (non-player characters) in the game thought of me. I didn't have delusions that those were other players, even though they had dialogue. I knew they wouldn't deactivate if I unplugged the computer from the network ... But they look just like me (PC)! Of course, it's the same visual engine they're running in. But none of these characters are aware. And in that, it didn't make a difference whether a wolf was attacking PC or an NPC.
The PC isn't aware, it's just me, out here.

Awareness is primary. It needs one thing: to be aware.
Everything else is secondary, and no further down. Anything I am aware of means as much as anything else I'm aware of.

There's a problem, fear, bug, in thinking - but is this a mmorpg(multi-player)? Are there multiple dreamers?
But if awareness is beyond bodies, how could it be seperated from other awareness? How could it not bump into, and even merge with them? I sense and percieve only one awareness, and I know only one cognizance, and am aware of awareness as something singular and indivisible. And, by evidence!, my thoughts control the wills of 'other' people! Which would be freaky if there was such a thing as 'other people' as opposed to 'aspects of self'.

Only awareness has free will, which is in all it's thinking and feeling projections, because all is one. My ego has never had free will, but awareness has allowed itself to be caught up in identifying with it. Interesting, SteveP wrote something about, can't remember exact wording, but, that it was as if his body didn't have free will any more(anybody want to tell me which post this was?), and so physical work was no longer tedious - I think it can be described as if he just set his primary body to do the task. 'Do this.' Or Like driving a car, perhaps.


have the heart to live the life you want to live

-
Sleeping but my eyes are open.

[silent_partner]

I too, as others have commented, am not completely sold on the idea of Subjective Reality. I, the creator of reality, has created an entire universe and all of its content. Though most of what I have created lies within the peripherials of my consciousness (space travel, relativity, physics, world poverty, political upheaval...). Very little of what exist in my reality is tangible to my everyday existence. I suppose this could be because my thoughts are focused on such small matters rather than the big picture. However, even within this small spectrum of my reality I am confused as to why I would allow persons that my avatar loves to cease to exist within my reality. Do I intend for them to die because I no longer want them in my reality? Are they no longer useful so I cease thinking about them? Yet once they die, I or my avatar do continue to think about them. So why do they no longer physically exist yet stars, planets and other things and people my avator only experience second hand continue to exist in my reality?

[Shindra]

silent_partner, you don't only create the things you want, unless that's what you wholly believe, Know. Until you reach a certain level or state of consciousness (control over your thoughts and emotions), you still create some thing unintentionally. And if you think of people as dead, or in the past, then that's what they are. Same as if you think of something as fantasy, it will remain so - that's why there aren't lots of dragons flying around.

it is more about awareness than thought and perception. You are aware of something and aware of the state of it (physical, mental, spiritual, imaginary...) and then that is so. Your 'knowing something as so', your belief, that is primary.

in order to experience love, there must be the possibility of fear, and that cannot be if there isn't the experience of getting something you don't want (I chose to have the experience of 'getting experiences I didn't choose'). So we have that first, and then we grow, we realize our true nature.

The Law is quite like gravity - in order to live well with it, you need both knowledge of it, and balance. Even after you know that belief creates reality, you still need to learn to control it (like balance). If you don't know it's there, you'll spend your life not knowing why 'the ground keeps beating you up'

[NightOwlNation]

Originally Posted by Excellent Lodestar

The non-duality subjective reality talk sounds like Advaita...Is that where steve is coming from? I'm just getting into all this and my mind is getting blown in quantum leaps. this is all a "dream", right?

Hello!

There are many cultures whose teachings include these same concepts in their own fashion or rather their own way of explaining it. Sometimes it's just a matter of which of these we are drawn/attracted to. We can, of course, be attracted to more than one.

It amazes me that when I look back on various lessons about the nature of life and reality how much of it was there all along. Books I love, like Autobiography Of A Yogi make even more sense to me now since understanding more via the "language" of The Holographic Model, Subjective Reality and The Law Of Attraction. "Seth Speaks" also makes more sense and so many other things I felt good about but wanted to comprehend better.

[NightOwlNation]

Originally Posted by john6630

...But here is the rub for me...if ALL is from my consciousness...if the "out there" is really "in here"...then how can there be a Universe out there from which I am attacting my reality? How can I be attracting that which I have already created? I seems totally inconsistent.

Shindra gave a great response to your question. It can be crazy making, I think, if we are trying to understand it from the objective perspective. But from the subjective perspective there is no "out there" at all. So you'd be attracting yoru reality from within as well. This then gets projected "outside" (think holographic movie projector) as a very convincing, 3-D surround sound stereo reality called this is your life.

What I sense is that I do have a Subjective Reality that co-exists with all other Subjective Realities in a larger Objective Reality. I can answer the paradoxes Steve raises in several ways. The one about two intentions competing for the same result...well I do belive the Universe is capable of supporting competition...why can't the stronger intention win...survival of the fittest....Any comments?

John

Steve addresses these basic questions very directly. He says:

"One way of thinking about subjective reality is like a holodeck from Star Trek. But that’s a model I’d like to move away from because I’m finding most people are thinking about it too objectively, as if the holodeck still exists in an objective universe somewhere “out there.” This would be the world of The Matrix movies, but that is not subjective reality. In that case you’re just having a simulated subjective experience within a larger objective framework. In those movies you still have an outside objective universe that is real. So this isn’t the model we want to use.

In a truly subjective universe, there is nothing outside your own consciousness — no world, no bodies, no brain..."

That is from this blog post:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...ve-reality-qa/

The he says this:

"If I have my own subjective reality and you have yours, then how do they mesh?

There is only one subjective reality, and it’s yours. What you perceive as my subjective reality is merely a projection of your own thoughts. So there is no meshing between our realities because yours is the only one there is.

If reality is created by thought, then what happens when you and I have conflicting thoughts?

You and I cannot have conflicting thoughts because only you have thoughts. I do not have thoughts, nor does anyone else in your reality. You are the only thinker there is. Everything else is a manifestation of your thoughts, including the perception that other people have thoughts (to the degree that this is congruent with your beliefs).

The only thoughts you perceive are your own. You may assume those thoughts are coming from your body (they aren’t) and that all the other people you see have bodies that produce thoughts you can’t perceive (they don’t).

Your body is a projection of your thoughts, just like everything else you’ve manifested. Thought manifests bodies, not the other way around. Nothing has any power in your reality except thought itself. Nothing..."

That is from this blog post:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...-reality-qa-3/


We each just have to decide what concepts about the nature of the construction of the universe feel best to us, which ones resonate for us as truth. No one else can decide that for us. And it can change and evolve as we learn and experience more. Kind of a fascinating journey.

[john6630]

Hi NightOwlVision, Shindra and all,
I have been doing a lot of thinking about SubR and ObjR. In the end it all boils down to a belief system...but here is the rub for me ...

I lost my 30 year old son 3 years ago. In your post, Shindra, you atribute that loss to my unintentional manifestation - he is dead or in the past because I think it. Here is my delima, I want very much to have my son back. Not a day goes by that I dont ask the Universe to return him...yet I can not manifest this -the most powerful desire, intention, I have. So if SubR is the only reality and is MY reality, why can't I manifest this intense intention? And even though I can not manifest this very strong intention, I am still expected to believe I can/do manifest more mundane desires? I do believe in the LoA. I have many examples throughout my life where it has and still does work for me. But I know of no way the LoA brought this event to me. I can only see how this happens if I am a SubR within the greater context of an ObjR and within that objective reality, there are events and laws that I do not manifest and can not control.

My big issue with SubR is that the answer is always the same...it is because I made it so... I am having a hard time accepting that. I do believe in the LoA but within the limits of an ObjR. And I find the possiblilites so much more satisfying when I believe I am interacting with other SubR's in that wider reality.

BTW, NightOwl, I do believe in the holographic universe idea. I read (some time ago) Michael Talbot's Holographic Universe and find David Bohm's ideas quite compelling. I believe they paint a strong picture for the ObjR I am comfortable with.

So, there you have my paradox...my son's death, my strong intentions and the lack of manifestation. As far as I can see (sadly), once dead, always dead since that is the law of the Universe.

Confusedly Yours,
John

PS...How do you guys get those quote boxes in your replys? (Since I am manifesting your actions, I should know, but I dont LOL)

[Adrienne]

Originally Posted by john6630

PS...How do you guys get those quote boxes in your replys? (Since I am manifesting your actions, I should know, but I dont LOL)

John
You get the quote boxes by hitting the quote button on the post you want to quote. For example. Look at the bottom of this post. There are a couple big blue buttons. One says QUOTE. Click it and a reply blx opens with the persons quote surronded by quote tags.

Hope that helps
Adrienne

[NightOwlNation]

Dear John~~

I'm so sorry that you lost your son. And I really get your questions. Makes sense anyone would ask this in light of things.

The first thought that comes to my mind is that The Law-Of-Attraction, The Holographic Model and Subjective Reality are likely not the only factors in the creation of reality and the construction of the universe. Has my perspective and understanding of life changed for the better after learning of these things? Yes. But my own life drama is not perfect by any means.

So I'm excited to learn about all of these things but I see them as stepping stones to something even greater.

You wonder why you can't bring your son back. I don't know. Maybe being great at the L-O-A is like being good at anything, a religion, a philosophy or belief. We work with what we know and what we can. We are shooting for the stars but we might not yet be there. I know some great Mormons, Christians and Bhuddists, etc.....But this does not mean they or we are perfect at being those things. Also, what do we not know? Perhaps quite a bit! The aspect of awareness that manifested as your son: to what degree does this aspect (your son) of the awareness-of-being have it's own complexities? Do we make soul agreements with others on some level we are not or cannot be aware of while in physical mode? You see, I'm not sure that any of these ideas/beliefs cancel each other out. And it's possible that there are aspects to life and relationships that we have no clue about. Like a a spiritual amnesia (but, if true, I would not know the purpose of it).

I'm sure your son and anyone we love, that their lives are significant, have meaning - and that these others we care about are very sentient. They are sentient AND they are part of our experience (IMHO) of The Holographic Universe, The Law Of Attraction and (my perspective of) Subjective Reality. Human beings, we tend to think it has to be
this or that - when really, in this multidimensional universe of ours, it can be this AND that. A new or rediscovered paradigm of thinking and perceiving. I think all of this is true and that the only reason it might not make more sense is because we still do not have all of the pieces we'd need to complete this mysterious puzzle.

John, if you ever found someone (with a great track record) who you trusted who does spiritual communication work maybe you would consider requesting their services for contacting your boy.

Otherwise, I hope this post is helpful.

[john6630]

[QUOTE=NightOwlNation;46752][COLOR="DarkRed"]Dear John~~

I'm sure your son and anyone we love, that their lives are significant, have meaning -

You are correct, my son's meaning is being lived out in his two children...who are the loves of our lives (along with my other children and grandchildren). I have thought of finding someone to try spiritual contact but do not know where to begin to look.

In the meantime, I believe there is a spiritual (Bohm's implicit) order. That we live on and live again through this spiritual order...perhaps not in this particular universe but somehow and somewhere. Perhaps it is just wishful thinking...but then why not wish? When it comes to beliefs, we must be deeply satisfied with our personal philosophies. And this forum is great for expressing and exploring those philosopies.

At this time the ideas I am very comfortable with are:
1. There is an organizing force at work in the universe and it is the Universe. I look around and can not accept that reality is merely a probabilistic accident of quantum paticles, atoms and molecules coming together to create the Wonder that is life.

2. We are each a manifestation of the Universe and that we indeed do the manifesting. But only within the context of the Universe. SubR within ObjR.

3. The manifesting mechanisim within us actually is us and is our spirit, our soul. And when we die, that spriti/soul moves back to the spritual/implicit order to be re-manifest later. We all go to that "place" and return....perhaps not in this form but somehow somewhere.

All in all, my thoughts are definetly a work-in-progress. But I do know that looking to the LoA makes my life happier and my relationships much more pleasant. I owe that to Depak Chopra's Creating Affluence and The Secret. And sometimes I think it is good not to think too much LOL.

John

[Shindra]

Originally Posted by john6630

Hi NightOwlVision, Shindra and all,
I have been doing a lot of thinking about SubR and ObjR. In the end it all boils down to a belief system...but here is the rub for me ...

I lost my 30 year old son 3 years ago. In your post, Shindra, you atribute that loss to my unintentional manifestation - he is dead or in the past because I think it. Here is my delima, I want very much to have my son back. Not a day goes by that I dont ask the Universe to return him...yet I can not manifest this -the most powerful desire, intention, I have. So if SubR is the only reality and is MY reality, why can't I manifest this intense intention? And even though I can not manifest this very strong intention, I am still expected to believe I can/do manifest more mundane desires? I do believe in the LoA. I have many examples throughout my life where it has and still does work for me. But I know of no way the LoA brought this event to me. I can only see how this happens if I am a SubR within the greater context of an ObjR and within that objective reality, there are events and laws that I do not manifest and can not control.

[...]

My big issue with SubR is that the answer is always the same...it is because I made it so... I am having a hard time accepting that. I do believe in the LoA but within the limits of an ObjR. And I find the possiblilites so much more satisfying when I believe I am interacting with other SubR's in that wider reality.

[...]

So, there you have my paradox...my son's death, my strong intentions and the lack of manifestation. As far as I can see (sadly), once dead, always dead since that is the law of the Universe.

Please excuse the relative lateness and unrefined nature of this reply. I am taking time to work on myself and am therefore mostly not online.

If you strongly think that you want your son to be alive, that will be your reality/experience - wanting your son to be alive. Remember how The Secret tells us to feel as if it's real in the present.
Bringing someone back to life is a huge thing within the strong belief systems that this is impossible. It is also an either-or thing, your son cannot both not be in this physical reality and not be alive - which means you must be 100% sure that it is possible, and that it is so, that within the next five minutes your son is going to walk through that door... Beliefs create. There cannot be a shred of doubt.
Also, acceptance is important. You sadness that your son is dead, your fear that it is irreversible, makes you focus on thoughts that scream 'he is dead'. You'd have to make this 'not so horrible', or make a complete choice to simply cause yourself to 'know that it is so' that your son is alive.
How would you feel if you knew, knew for absolute certain, that your son wasn't dead? Or you knew for absolute certain that you had a genie in a bottle that could grant you such a wish?
I do not expect you to make this possible for yourself. It is an enormous shift. But I would like you to know that everything is possible.
How would it be, what would it look like if your son suddenly popped back into existence? Or perhaps a body was created out of energy that your son then inhabited, returning to this realm from the spirit world?
What might be much easier for you is to manifest the ability to hear and see spirits - and thereby your son.

It also seems that you do not WANT to take responsibility(control) for everything, for death. That is your choice to make. Do you really want to believe that you can bring people back from the dead?

fear creates it's own reality, as well as love and gratitude do.

This is only my response. Believe whatever you will.

here's some pages from a blog on psychic ability:
Are you sure you can’t hear your Spirit Guides?
Who are you talking to when you talk to yourself?
I myself uncovered my ability to speak with spirits through exploring imagined personas in the depths of my mind. Things like - "if I knew the answer, what would it be?" imagination got me around limiting beliefs that I did not have that answer, and opened my mind to greater sources of information. -Though I have currently blocked my ability because of fear.
Don't try hard, don't expect anything to work right away, just let your imagination unfold, listen to voices within, whatever kinds of personas you find easy to imagine. In my experience this will eventually open your mind to thoughts/impressions occuring in your mind from 'other' sources. I think you would be too tense if you started this thinking about your son, trying to hard and therefore not doing. Get an imaginary friend. Imagine how someone very wise, intelligent and knowledgeable would answer this or that question. Do this in a playful way, don't push yourself. Then when it starts to seem like the answer are coming from somewhere else - "however did I come up with that?" - do it some more, until it becomes a common occurence that you get answers that seem beyond your mind. Then see if you can communicate with your spirit guides. And once you've verified that, you can ask your son for his presence.
The good thing about being able to talk with spirits yourself is that you don't have to rely on someone else and figure out whether they are the real deal, of course. But if you are tensing, grieving, in a hurry, do a search on psychic mediums and read about others' experiences with them to see which are genuine.

May you have peace.

[persephonevii]

Originally Posted by tomn8er

What is your understanding of how other people fit into subjective reality NightOwlNation? Or anyone for that matter. I'd like to hear a more in-depth explanation of how it makes sense to doubt that other people are conscious, and still regard them as significant human beings as opposed to fake robot-like illusions?

Okay, I'm not NightOwlNation but how I deal with this dilemma is through this analogy:

Now has anyone heard of the game, The Sims? If not, the game is about you controlling up to 8 sims (human like creatures) as they go through the motions of every day Sim living and yet aspire to greater Simmish heights.

You design and create your sims. You guide them to riches or ruin or anything in-between. Now when I played the Sims, each Sim had their own special character and their own plans I designed for them. Hopefully, if I didn't lose interest in them they would usually see through to the plans or end up in some pretty interesting places. Just like they would learn, I would learn some stuff too. The Sims were my digital avatars to explore and learn about lifestyles I was always interested in.

Now the Sims are just like us- humans. Behind us humans is an consciousness driving each of us, empowering us and desiring to learn everything there is to know about everything through us. We humans in our physical bodies and special personalities go through the motions of daily living yet also aspire to greater heights of living.

So you see in subjective reality, when Steve says other people are just projections of our beliefs, desires, etc. that includes the body we sit in right now. The consciousness is happily clicking away, learning and learning through us. The other the idea people don't exist is both right and wrong if you consider it like the Sims.

And as for cheat codes... unfortunately pounding in 'rosebud' a thousand times is going to make you a millionaire here, but cheat codes certainly allow us and our sims to experience things more quickly and to our benefit, and to have interesting experiences. So perhaps the cheat codes for us is the IM model, everyone is so used to plodding along, working and saving... and not realising there is a so much smoother and more relaxing method to it all.

However, keep in mind The Sims themselves are rather limited because we haven't mastered true AI or created some wonderful piece of programming that really mimics humans or their situations to the point of scarey.

[Fausto Intilla]

a)The Jungian Theory of Syncronicity, is a clear demonstration that everything in this Universe is predeterminated.The Heisenberg's Indetermination Principle comes from the human ignorance (we cannot see the reality in its totality)...so only an ignorant,can believe in Free Will.

b)Matter is a complex form of energy; Energy is a complex form of Information; Information...is God's Thought. The Universe is God...so we are parts of God.

c) Every kind of "human desire",is followed by a Chain of "Electron wave functions collapses" (in agreement with Schrödinger's Theory) which will not follow ours expectations! ...So the paradox is: if we want to get hold of something,we shouldn’t have to search for it. (Men stay still,and the mountains move...).
A curiosity: The connection between the electron wave-function and the human intent has to do with the fact that experiments have proved that the intentions of the operator of a radio transmission facility, directly and instrumentably alter the "footprint", the radiation pattern of the antenna. It has also been shown that the intent of the human being causes a divergence in the quantum field (which is the information field). Any divergence in the information field results in alterations of "probability", which directly influences the outcome of any system which contains any element of chance, directly influencing the resulting observable events. (See the work of Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research at http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/).

Notes:
"In agreement with Henri Bergson's thought (see the last pages of "Entre le temps et l'éternité" of Ilya Prigogine ,Librairie Arthème Fayard,Paris), we can accept the idea of a "Space-time absolute value", where all the "Space-time relativ values" are incorporated (in agreement with Einstein’s theory of relativity); the conclusion is that there is only one Real Matrix of the Universe...so every other possible /potential parallel "event/dimension/future" it's only a human illusion. All the other parallel Universes (or Multi-Universes,as Phd. Everett said) can only exist in our minds...perhaps whilst dreaming. Unfortunately several physicists are conditioned by Heisenberg's Principle of Indetermination...which, as you will know, is enough explain the existence of Free Will. Well, the Principle of Indetermination is hardly bound by the limits of observations made by the human brain. (We cannot see the reality in its totality...Bohm taught). If we accept the idea that our Universe really is God,well,in a infinite Caos of Energy too, there must to be a logical (but not for human brain),exact,specific,and perfectly organized ...Plan. How many significant (important) coincidences can happen to a person in his life,living in a unorganizated and stupid Universe?...I think no-one. Every synchronism in our life, is like an open-eyes-dream (Jung taught)...and we can thank the fine intelligence of our Universe...if they happen."

Comparative discussion:
Science & Philosophy :: View topic - God=mc2

Fausto Intilla
Fisica ...tra Scienza e Mistero (Universe,Energy,Matter and Mind)

[Pejorative]

Okay, this theory is nice and all...


But can you prove it?