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nin64 12-19-2009 09:40 AM

How do you accept "this" is how reality works?
 
I've watched that "Creating Abundance" videos and I really find it hard to believe that the reality I'm living in now is not completely materialistic.

I've received some "synchronicities" after practicing this "law of attraction" few years ago but I simply dismiss them as luck or coincidence. Like the time when I found RM20 under a tree. At first I thought this is the synchronicity that everyone is talking about. But some hours later, I simply said to myself that some people just put the money there to please some spirits so that they can pass their finals. Oh, this is also the time when I think money will make me happy.

Recently (ever since last week), I noticed RM1 notes in my reality almost every time I take a walk. So is this how the universe "really" works or am I deluding myself. That is, that the universe somehow respond to my vibe.

Or, maybe I am deluding myself by thinking that the whole reality is materialistic.

Also, I noticed that I am seeing a lot more SBI! than ever before. It's driving me crazy. The product sound very nice but I can't help but to feel sceptical. Another synchronicity perhaps? Should I follow the white rabbit?


p.s. This have nothing to do with the topic (I think), but last week you gave the message "Your spirit is strong, you can get through this." or something like that through twitter, and at the same time I surf the net. I rarely do internet surfing now.
I am experiencing some tough challenges here, to make things even worse, I can see that my life is going downhill and there's no way I can fix it. I can't fix it even in 2 years time because I'm just too weak. I felt like want to give up and kill myself but that message feel like it came from a best friend that want me to be strong and face the challenge. Can't believe I said that an online blogger whom I never met before as a best friend. gasp.
Maybe human aren't completely selfish after all.
Well.... er... thanks (Sorry, not used to say this word online or offline)

escapeplan 12-19-2009 12:21 PM

I know what you mean with this post and to be honest I have the same concerns. I've just begun applying LOA (again) and for sure you notice small "co-incidences" occurring. These co-incidences are always small things- like your 20 RM notes for example- never big stuff. Even LOA followers who claim huge success, are outnumbered by millions of ordinary people who've done well using other techniques (hard graft and pessimistic thinking). Such co-incidences can be explained in the material world- LOA is not required as an explanation.

Many LOA followers who call (for example) your RM20 notes synchronicities would laugh at Christians who had prayed for wealth, only to have God deliver such a puny amount to them. They'd really question anyone who supported Chrisitianity with such flimsy evidence for their faith.

I should stress I'm not challenging LOA, but as I've said before it can make PD very difficult. If LOA works, it's groundbreaking, if not- it's a major distraction to things we can really be doing to improve ourselves.

I think our business forums are a great example of this. I guess some 90% of posts are to do with SBI, LOA or books like rich dad, poor dad. I think this forum may be moving away from the idea of pure PD and more towards spirituality and faith. Another danger is that we may move away from accepting expert advice in the belief that we know what's best or that we really can create our own reality. In the interests of balance, I'd love some forums here to be "LOA free zones", it would prompt different types of thinking and advice, particuarly in the business sections.

Aleksander Krstic 12-19-2009 01:58 PM

It's not easy, but you'll get there. I did.

bluedragon 12-19-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by escapeplan (Post 469097)
I know what you mean with this post and to be honest I have the same concerns. I've just begun applying LOA (again) and for sure you notice small "co-incidences" occurring. These co-incidences are always small things- like your 20 RM notes for example- never big stuff. Even LOA followers who claim huge success, are outnumbered by millions of ordinary people who've done well using other techniques (hard graft and pessimistic thinking). Such co-incidences can be explained in the material world- LOA is not required as an explanation.

Many LOA followers who call (for example) your RM20 notes synchronicities would laugh at Christians who had prayed for wealth, only to have God deliver such a puny amount to them. They'd really question anyone who supported Chrisitianity with such flimsy evidence for their faith.

I should stress I'm not challenging LOA, but as I've said before it can make PD very difficult. If LOA works, it's groundbreaking, if not- it's a major distraction to things we can really be doing to improve ourselves.

I think our business forums are a great example of this. I guess some 90% of posts are to do with SBI, LOA or books like rich dad, poor dad. I think this forum may be moving away from the idea of pure PD and more towards spirituality and faith. Another danger is that we may move away from accepting expert advice in the belief that we know what's best or that we really can create our own reality. In the interests of balance, I'd love some forums here to be "LOA free zones", it would prompt different types of thinking and advice, particuarly in the business sections.

I'm also having trouble with this aspect, as well as with the concrete mechanics of the manifesting process if it indeed works. I'm especially concerned with what exactly limits what we can create and what we can't uncreate, as I've seen allusions regarding both issues but nothing clear.

cylon 12-19-2009 09:05 PM

You accept it once you experience it first hand. Until that happens, it's all intellectual. You don't have these experiences just by thinking about them, but from seeing them happen in reality.

escapeplan 12-19-2009 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cylon (Post 469402)
You accept it once you experience it first hand. Until that happens, it's all intellectual. You don't have these experiences just by thinking about them, but from seeing them happen in reality.

Agreed- like the OP and I said, you can't deny these "co-incidences" occur. I posted about a week ago in IM because even at my early stage things happened which to my mind were beyond co-incidence. I was amazed. I think what the OP's getting at is that you can't deny these synchronicities occur, but how you explain it is then a leap of faith. Some will leap towards the LOA theory, others towards science and the way the brain works- i.e. ignoring the mystical or unproven elements. Some are stuck in between. The point is that even after experiencing things, it's still all intellectual until at some point you decide to make a leap of faith regarding your explanation of events.

As for the OP's comments on SBI, I'm not surprised more SBI is being seen. It's one clever MLM scheme. The end result will of course be self-destruct- it always is when the crowds all run the same way. It's funny- you know the way they tell you to find a niche area and find your voice. It reminds me of the Kleeneze catalogue scheme we had in the UK (still have). Agents were told to find niche streets to deliver catalogues and build relationships with their clients, especially in areas where another agent operated. Many, many losers in the end, but at the start everyone thought it was great and they were "helping" each other by recruiting them into the business. So yes, we will see more SBI- Ken Evoy is one clever bloke!:D

cylon 12-19-2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by escapeplan (Post 469404)
The point is that even after experiencing things, it's still all intellectual until at some point you decide to make a leap of faith regarding your explanation of events.

Since you've recently started, you haven't had enough first hand experiences to know that. Once you get some experience under your belt, you'll see that most of this stuff is really self-evident. You'll see that over time it's not a question of intellectual/faith. You just "know". And it's not a leap of faith at that point. It's just acknowledging reality.

This is one of those things that are impossible to explain, you just know when you know. That's how you know. No words I could say would bring you to that place. But you'll get there on your own, anyway. :D

escapeplan 12-19-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cylon (Post 469407)

This is one of those things that are impossible to explain, you just know when you know. That's how you know. :D

And that my friend, is the leap of faith;)

Faith:

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs

You may be right to have this faith- I can see how easy it would be to have it- a few more synchronicities over the year and bingo! I'm a believer! But it's also healthy and challenging to look at other ways of explaining things and there are other ways to explain these co-incidences. I'd hate to think I was joining an irrational cult! Like you say, I guess the only way to stop the questioning is experience over time...

cylon 12-19-2009 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by escapeplan (Post 469409)
Like you say, I guess the only way to stop the questioning is experience over time...

Bingo. You can't really judge someone else's experience until you've walked a bit in their shoes. THEN you have the experience, the perspective, to say that you have a better idea of what that experience is like. Right now you're judging something you have no experience with, based on your preconceived notions of what those experiences are like, and you've even got the perfect label to stamp it with. Doesn't work that way. No shortcuts. ;)

As far as you joining an irrational cult... there is no organization here. Nothing to join. You can congregate with like-minded people, but it's about your own personal journey, your own experience of reality. Again, there is no canon, no doctrines to follow, no official platform. Just a bunch of individuals coming to their own conclusions of what their own experiences are. No "right way" or "wrong way". Frankly, I don't see how you make the connection to a cult, other than the usual "anything supposedly non-scientific is a wacky religion". I used to think that way, but that is a big hurdle to opening yourself up to a greater awareness.

escapeplan 12-19-2009 10:15 PM

Fair enough,

So to answer the OP's question so far about IM, we have my suggestion of a leap of faith, and yours of time and experience. Same sort of hymn sheet I guess:)

As for an organisation, that does it... I'm gonna set up the "LOA Department for the Standardisation and Regulation of Belief":D:D:D

Anyway, what do you think of the increasing SBI user thingy???

Acting Like Godot 12-29-2009 06:23 AM

I recently successfully manifested $580,000. The money came in 1.5 weeks from the date of manifestation, from a source that I did not expect (and when it came, I hardly had to take any action to make it happen). Some of you who read my posts know how this $580,000 came about.

The previous record, for me, was $244,000 in one lump sum. Those of you who have been on the forum for a longer time, and have read my posts before, also know about it. I narrated the details too. Again it was from a source that I could not influence or control (in the conventional sense of those words) and could not take any action to achieve).

Also, in March this year, I manifested $100,000. Again in one lump sum. I'm not sure if I wrote about it previously on this forum. But Bradshaw, one of the regulars, had read my personal blog back then, and left a comment. So he might recall the details.

I've also done smaller sums like $22,000; $6,000; $3,400; $1,000; in single lump sums.

Oh, I also manifested a salary increase of 82%, at one go. This happened entirely outside the normal corporate calendar cycle of salary increases for employees in my organisation. No one should have been getting a salary increase at that time, let alone such a huge increase. In fact it was this particular incident that first led me to look very seriously into the LOA. That was around late 2006.

Would Escapeplan doubt me? Think that I am lying? Well, in the past, I used to scan the relevant documentary evidence, and post them as photos, on this forum, as proof. Those forummers who have been around long enough would remember.

Nowadays I'm not that diligent. Those who believe will believe, and those who won't, won't.

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I am very confident that I could manifest small sums like $10, $20 or $50 if I wanted to. However, money in those kinds of amounts does not interest me that much.

Of course, apart from money, there are many other things I have successfully manifested. Money is only one of many other things in life that interest me. ;)

Acting Like Godot 12-29-2009 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by escapeplan (Post 469404)
The point is that even after experiencing things, it's still all intellectual until at some point you decide to make a leap of faith regarding your explanation of events.

On this kind of point, I have previously offered the following kind of comment:

if your underlying intention is to test the authenticity (or otherwise) of the LOA, then you are best off working with bizarre and unusual intentions. They need not be "big" intentions, but they need to be bizarre and unusual, things or events which make you say, "Wow ... this really doesn't normally happen!".

When your bizarre and unusual intentions start to manifest regularly in your reality, you will understand that these occurrences cannot be random, meaningless coincidences. They are happening only because you have been holding bizarre, unusual thoughts.

Oh yes, I have manifested bizarre and unusual things before. But I shall not retell my stories. Otherwise people will criticise me for being garrulous and repetitive. :D


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