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Old 10-22-2009, 05:39 AM   #61 (permalink)
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But what about social problems, or feeling you are not good enough only in a social situation - or not feeling good enough in a romantic relationship, even though you feel perfectly good enough as a person? How can that belief be attributed to your parents and the first 6 years of one's life? What if you never even discussed such things with your parents?
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Old 10-22-2009, 09:18 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Default Lefkoe's method is similar to Byron Katie's

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You should also check out Byron Katie's "Work." It's very similar to this.
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Old 10-22-2009, 09:51 PM   #63 (permalink)
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In my experience the issue with self limiting beliefs is not changing them, it's finding them.

Most people have no idea that it's a belief that's holding them back, and when they do, they often have the wrong one.

I have heard this method is very effective, but if you don't know what you are meant to be changing it's a futile exercise.
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:00 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Is this somewhat similar to Transactional Analysis which was made popular by Thomas Harris in his book I'm OK, You're OK?
Eric Berne developed TA Dev and brought it the mass market via 'The Games People Play", and I don't think this is the same thing at all from what I have read.
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:38 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Default root fears...

from the perspective of awakening, enlightenment, etc...and not getting lost in the mysticism these words might convey - just knowing it is possible to be completely present and hold onto it moment to moment throughout life, why not work at cutting out the root fears/beliefs? It wouldn't require working up list upon list of beliefs we may have - then to work through each of them. If you cut at the deepest level beliefs/fears wouldn't all the smaller ones just naturally dissipate? Let's say the base line fear is death...then wouldn't working through this clear up an ocean of the day to day fears that plague our thinking? Very curious to know what findings their are on this using these methods - Lefkoe, Katie, etc.

And at some point, along the lines of truly 'awakening', wouldn't you have to stop trying to solve a mind created problem with the mind and go deeper. Is it really possible to be 'free' of the mind (where the identification of 'self' with thoughts and emotions stops) when you are using the same mind to analyze and understand it?

I'm currently traveling in India and exploring some approaches here to these same questions and maybe most surprised that so far, the methods are very similar. Even a zen master will often use very similar questioning techniques to get one to look at their beliefs and their thinking - to get a person to jump outside themselves and look back in a detached manner and start to gain comfort with the simple notion, you are not your mind - this is simply conditioned thinking and you can be free of it.....and so be free of the mind and the constant swing from past to future, from good to bad, from happy to unhappy...to simply 'be' - a very blissful state we've all had access to, usually measured in moments, but have such a hard time living consistently or as a truly awakened one might - through the remainder of their life.

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Old 10-28-2009, 01:51 AM   #66 (permalink)
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I just tried going through the 'mistakes and failure are bad' video and - although I feel I've made some progress with it, I'm not entirely sold on it yet. Which, as Morty says, means the belief is still there.

My main motivation for wanting to remove this belief is that it holds me back from trying new things, pushing myself out of my comfort zone where I will fail - and need to fail to learn. I am okay with this on an intellectual level.

What I'm having trouble is accepting that a serious mistake, one for example, that results in loss of life could ever be open to interpretation as anything other than tragic.
The point of eliminating this belief is to stop worrying about making a mistake (any mistake) because "mistakes are bad." All mistakes are not bad. That belief is not the truth. That does not mean that specific mistakes can have horrible consequences. But the fact that specific mistakes can have a bad consequence does not logically mean that all mistakes are bad.

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Old 10-28-2009, 02:38 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Hello Morty, nice to see you here. I want to give you some feedback. I did the "I'm not important" and "Mistakes are bad" in the last week. I have to say your method really does work. I definitely feel the "I'm not important" --I felt I connected more with "I don't matter"-- is gone. Finished. When I try to say I'm not important I just can't help but laugh at how ridiculous it sounds.

As for the mistakes are bad, at first I felt I wasn't connecting with it at all. But I knew it must be a problem cuz I do get nervous doing public speaking. I decided to continue digging though, and had an interesting breakthrough as I thought of my childhood events. I realized that my belief isn't "mistakes and failure are bad" but more "I'm bad because I make mistakes". I tied my identity to my mistakes. As in "Im my mistakes". Again it's ridiculous when I say it out loud. Amazingly, I've had to speak in front of some groups the last few days and I've not been nervous at all.

Thanks for the free trials........simple but powerful.

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Old 10-28-2009, 04:21 AM   #68 (permalink)
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following up, I found Morty's post delving into the more spiritual aspects of his method...

Get Into An Altered State of Consciousness in Minutes – Morty Lefkoe
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:09 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Hi

After I had described how my parents reacted I clicked continue, but it didn't seem to work. I had to upgrade my account. Has anyone had this also?
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