Conscious Growth Workshop Results (Blog)

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by seeker5

Please, let's not assume that everybody at the workshop experienced the same thing simply because you and the the people you talked to did. I can assure you, not every single person experienced the same thing.

Interesting that you read "experienced a vibrational alignment" as "experienced the same thing". Do you equate conscious growth with "moving toward homogeneity"?

I can tell you personally that I actually grew "away" from most of the attendees, but was better able to predict unfolding events the longer the conference went on. For example, I could tell that somebody was going to cry in about 10 seconds based on what Steve was doing on stage. I don't think most people saw it coming, based on my conversation with the highly conscious people i was around.

Perhaps I was resonating with and hanging out with the people experiencing the greatest growth from the conference. Who knows? I met some amazing people and changed in ways that are difficult to describe through this impoverished text medium.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Manomanman

Interesting that you read "experienced a vibrational alignment" as "experienced the same thing". Do you equate conscious growth with "moving toward homogeneity"?

I meant that simply because you experienced a significant positive shift in your vibrational wavelength doesn't mean everyone at the workshop did. It's ok to claim that you had a great shift, or maybe that most people had such a shift. I'm just saying it's not accurate to simply assume that everybody did.

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by seeker5

I meant that simply because you experienced a significant positive shift in your vibrational wavelength doesn't mean everyone at the workshop did.

A does not logically imply B, you are correct. Did you attend the workshop?

I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that every single person experienced a significant shift.

If you were there, feel free to disagree with me.

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by seeker5

I'm just saying it's not accurate to simply assume that everybody did unless you ask every single person.

Why does one need to ask people what they're experiencing if one can see it in their energy patterns?

P.S. I just hit 333 posts. I think that means I need to stop posting in these forums for a time (another synchronisity that began at the conference).

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Manomanman

Did you attend the workshop?

Yup, I was there.

I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that every single person experienced a significant shift.

If you were there, feel free to disagree with me.

And I do disagree with you. Hence why I spoke up about it.

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by seeker5

Yup, I was there.

And I do disagree with you. Hence why I spoke up about it.

Perhaps the $500 price tag was too low? Steve didn't weed enough people out? He could have made it $5000, gotten 10 attendees, made the same money, and perhaps done a more intimate workshop resulting in more overall value created?

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Manomanman

Perhaps the $500 price tag was too low? Steve didn't weed enough people out? He could have made it $5000, gotten 10 attendees, made the same money, and perhaps done a more intimate workshop resulting in more overall value created?

As long as you received value and a positive energetic shift, why should it matter if anyone else did? It sounds like you had a fabulous experience! However good or bad another attendee found the workshop has no bearing on your own experience whatsoever. Enjoy your personal success and let the others take responsibility for dealing with the consequences of their participation.

[Erin Pavlina]

Seeker, did you experience a shift in your vibration or did you come away from the workshop exactly the same as before you got there?

Manomanman was simply saying he saw an energetic shift in people.

What I saw was that some people had shifts in some areas and not others. A lot of people came up to me and were telling me things like, "My career is great, I'm here to learn about relationships." Or "Habits is my big area where I need work" or "What he said about health had a huge imapct on me." People were there to improve in different areas.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Seeker, did you experience a shift in your vibration or did you come away from the workshop exactly the same as before you got there?

I went away from the workshop feeling absolutely miserable.

[Erin Pavlina]

Because you saw an area where you were blocked and thought you lacked the power to change it? Or because something bad happened to you while you were there?

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Because you saw an area where you were blocked and thought you lacked the power to change it? Or because something bad happened to you while you were there?

Hmmm. Probably because of the former.

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Manomanman was simply saying he saw an energetic shift in people.

I was so overwhelmed by the energy from Steve, from the other attendees I met, and from the other people in the room that I ate less than 1200 calories per day, was dehydrated the entire time (due to putting out a lot of heat) despite drinking the same amount of water, and slept from 9pm to 9am each day.

I have been living on less than 500 calories a day since Monday, because the positive energy is still flowing through me. It's like I cleaned out a lot of "spiritual rust", and now my body is purified and working more efficiently. I am now craving pure foods, probably will go raw soon, need to use my power to feel it out.

[AuspiciousEight]

Originally Posted by Manomanman

Perhaps the $500 price tag was too low? Steve didn't weed enough people out?

I think I will have to echo what JoeRad said earlier in this thread.

"The thing is, I'm seeing more and more attitudes around her that seem to indicate the tendency to concept of a class-based society, not as a social ill, but as a good.."

This holier than though attitude is spreading rather quickly. Worship Steve. Look down on everyone who isn't 'conscious'. Divide people into divisions based upon how much money they make. Teachers and students. Is everyone not created equal anymore?

Where did the love go?

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by seeker5

I went away from the workshop feeling absolutely miserable.

I hope you can find the joy on the other side of your misery.

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by AuspiciousEight

"The thing is, I'm seeing more and more attitudes around her that seem to indicate the tendency to concept of a class-based society, not as a social ill, but as a good.."

This holier than though attitude is spreading rather quickly. Worship Steve. Look down on everyone who isn't 'conscious'. Divide people into divisions based upon how much money they make. Teachers and students. Is everyone not created equal anymore?

Where did the love go?

The blog is free and the book is $16. If you are unable to take those concepts and create $500 of value for somebody, then a $500 workshop that can help you create $200,000 to $1,000,000 per year simply will not resonate. Think about that for a moment - it's the same thing that happens when a lottery winner gets $150,000,000 and ends up broke and miserable in a year, because they are a vibrational mis-match for the money.

Steve practically gave the conference away if you think about it like that.

Think about this: I'm a vibrational mis-match for Steve (I'm a darkworker). I don't even exist in his reality except as a mere speck, a few dots on his computer screen. I could say, "I'm Jesse from the conference" and he'd say, "Who?" But I'm coming to this forum, spending my time which will soon be worth $200/hour, telling people about how Steve changed my life.

I wouldn't have attended if it had been $5000. I wouldn't have attended if Steve hadn't directly spoken to me in another thread and slapped my Darkworker face to wake up. I believe that the cheapness of his pricetag was to allow people like me to make this quantum shift. I'm probably the only reason he made the pricetag so low. His next workshop will cost $1000-$1500 and be worth even more value. The one after that will probably cost more and be even better and attract even more people.

Steve isn't a classist; he's a conscious-ist.

Some people simply aren't meant to grow consciously, and that's fine. Steve has provided more than enough free value to help everybody out.

[Leon Willett]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

(...)how hard is it to earn $200-300? An empowered child can earn that much by mowing lawns to buy a new bike.

If your current financial experience is less than that of a child with a strong desire for a shiny new bike, it means your power is rather weak.

Ok people I registered on this forum just to come on here, quote this, and ask the price complainers to read it again!

read... it... again...

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by AuspiciousEight

I think I will have to echo what JoeRad said earlier in this thread.

"The thing is, I'm seeing more and more attitudes around her that seem to indicate the tendency to concept of a class-based society, not as a social ill, but as a good.."

That's one interpretation. Another one: different people have different consciousness levels. Heck, one person can have different consciousness levels throughout the day!

Some people have more money than others - that has always been so in human history. Maybe that will change one day, but now that's what it is. Like it or not.

This holier than though attitude is spreading rather quickly. Worship Steve. Look down on everyone who isn't 'conscious'. Divide people into divisions based upon how much money they make. Teachers and students. Is everyone not created equal anymore?

No not everyone is created equal and never was. Where did you get that nonsense?

As society we can decide that we treat everybody as equivalent. Still doesn't make us equal. And that doesn't give you or other people complaining about high prices the right to demand lower prices than the seller is willing to sell for. Sure you can try, but the seller doesn't need to take that seriously.

I've an idea: if you have a job, tell your boss tomorrow you'll take a 50% salary cut because of the other people on that level in the company.

If you own a business: lower the prices of what you sell until everyone can buy it.

Where did the love go?

Plenty around here. Want some?

[Erin Pavlina]

Originally Posted by seeker5

Hmmm. Probably because of the former.

That's very common after workshops like this. I have gone through similar things. It's actually okay though, to realize that you saw something in yourself you want to change, but not feel like you have the power to change it. That's why you work on Truth, Love and Power. Don't resist what you found out about yourself. You've already reached out to me in a private email, so we should continue our conversation there, but trust me when I tell you that you'll look back on this time and realize you had to slip and fall in order to climb a different ladder. It hurts at first, when you land on your rump, but you'll dust yourself off, grab the new ladder, lean it against a different tree, and start climbing again. And you've got people willing to help you get started. To private email then...

[Angela]

AuspiciousEight got banned?!? Why? He was being challenging, but I didn't see anything that was ban-worthy. Although I understand that the ban-worthy stuff gets deleted.

Best wishes, AuspiciousEight!

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Angela

AuspiciousEight got banned?!

AuspiciousEight asked for a voluntary 1 month ban because he felt he was spending too much time on this forum.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by seeker5

AuspiciousEight asked for a voluntary 1 month ban because he felt he was spending too much time on this forum.

Thanks, seeker5! If you're checking, AuspiciousEight, I warmly await your return, when you're ready.

[MickeyM]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Just to be super clear, if you don't feel good about buying the DVDs as they are priced or for any other reason, do not buy them.

How simple is that?

I am very much surprised that some people who made a conscious choice not to attend the workshop now are complaining over the price of the DVDs.

I for one am not rich but I wanted to attend and worked my ass off to be able to pay for the trip, the hotel and the workshop. In the end I was able to pay for it all and even booked a meeting with Erin.

Desire is the fuel of power. My desire fuelled my actions to be able to pay for it. And that is why I agree with Steve and others here: even if the price for the DVDs would be 100.000 dollars then still you need to think: do I think I need the DVDs? If the answer is 'yes' than you have a desire and thus the fuel for powering anything you must do to get them. So stop complaining here, think Nike: JUST DO IT!

[carenkh]

Originally Posted by Gooseus

At Steve's workshop, I feel like what he did is helped us with a few fractures in the ice on different sides and then taught us to analyze the iceberg ourselves and make our own fractures in specific areas which will weaken the overall integrity of the iceberg and eventually cause sheets to fall off and enormous collapses on all sides. He also taught us (this was my big lesson) that by allowing yourself to be open to the warmth of Love, you can melt the iceberg as a whole on all sides while you work at chipping away.

Love, love, love this post - what a great visual image! Thanks so much for sharing your vision. The image feels very much like Steve, and what he would offer.

Can't wait for the DVDs!!

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by seeker5

I went away from the workshop feeling absolutely miserable.

I know a lot of people who experienced momentary misery followed by a powerful and long-lasting joy. the following is a list of quantum-leap breakthrough iceberg melting insane nirvana breakthroughs I witnessed:

1. A woman left behind the guilt of her recent bankruptcy and had a moment where she cried. Lots of other people helped her share her emotional pain. I let her know that her work comes from a place of love, and then I gave her the tools she needed (3 simple books) to make her business a success.

2. An emotionally-dampened individual was given love by the entire workshop - life flowed into his eyes and expressions, and he stayed that way the rest of the conference.

3. I helped one person see how lower her Power was, and showed her how she hadn't been working on it the entire workshop.

4. People who I had met the night before were telling me how disconnected they felt from me, and how they just wanted to be with me, in the moment. It's impossible to describe how that feels if you've lived your entire life on the "outside" or fringes of humanity like I have, with people constantly attacking you and avoiding you because of your intensity and passion for life.

The real value of attending a workshop is not the speaker, but in the relationship the speaker has with the attendees, and how this relationship flows through each person, giving power to each individual. The socialization opportunities are where the REAL growth happens. I spent more time talking to other conference-goers than I did physically sitting in the workshop. Think about that for a moment....

If you look at the way Steve priced the DVD's, he's only asking 40-60% of the conference cost. He's consciously aware of the value of physically being there and connecting.

[carenkh]

Originally Posted by AuspiciousEight

Worship Steve. Look down on everyone who isn't 'conscious'. Divide people into divisions based upon how much money they make. Teachers and students.

It's not about how much money someone makes on a regular basis - I don't make a whole lotta money just yet, day to day. But, because I really want the DVDs, I'm going to work hard to get them - I can take on extra jobs, I can cut back on a few things and save that money. Steve thinks they might be ready in a few months - I can ask for them (or donations toward them) for a Christmas gift. I can hold a drum circle just to raise money for the purchase of the set. I see unlimited options for getting the money between now & when they're done.

Pricing the DVDs at $200 - $300 isn't looking down on anyone - unless they believe it is!

Edited to add: And I'm not doing that because I "worship Steve". I'm doing that because I've gotten incredible, immeasurable value from his articles and forum responses. To enumerate the shifts in consciousness that I've experienced due to what I've read here (and the people I've met here) would take days, if not weeks, to write and try to explain. I can only imagine the value I'll get from the DVDs. I already see and feel the difference in the videos he's posted vs. the written word. The book's been great, but having Steve in my living room, talking to ME? Mercy.

[Gooseus]

Originally Posted by MickeyM

I for one am not rich but I wanted to attend and worked my ass off to be able to pay for the trip, the hotel and the workshop. In the end I was able to pay for it all and even booked a meeting with Erin.

Seriously, and though my Power in career is kinda weak, which is why I actually didn't motivate myself to work and make a bunch of money for the workshop like I could have... I did just go more in to more debt (against Steve's suggestion) and don't really have a problem with that. This is mostly because my connection with money is pretty weak, I know that I have the value and ability to manifest/earn it, so I don't really wince about money... especially when it comes to investing money in something that will help me increase my ability to get that money.

For those that do wince when it comes to money and finances, you should check out Busting Loose From the Money Game by Robert Scheinfeld (Thanks Angela!).

Money is appreciation, if you don't appreciate Steve $500 for putting together the workshop for you or $200 for going through the extra trouble of taping the DVD and putting together the home study course, then that's your prerogative... for me that amount is nothing compared to how much I appreciated the Yuengling Brewery in college or how much I've appreciated various fast food chains all to easily lower my consciousness and make me fat, lazy and unhappy. We have Infinite Abundance, raising your consciousness allows you better access to that, whether through manifesting or through allowing yourself to easily see ways to earn more... they're essentially the same in my mind.

Anyways, I've gotta stop reading and posting or I'm gonna be requesting a ban too.

[kniyogi]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Not classes per se but merely levels of development. If you develop yourself to a certain point, how hard is it to earn $200-300. An empowered child can earn that much by mowing lawns to buy a new bike.

If your current financial experience is less than that of a child with a strong desire for a shiny new bike, it means your power is rather weak. So how can you benefit from a course that requires a certain minimum level of power to benefit from it?

What you're asking is akin to opening up an advanced yoga class to people who've never done yoga before. That is not a good fit and is only going to frustrate people.

If the price is an obstacle, that's simply because it's supposed to be an obstacle.

This is definitely leaning towards a class based system--the belief system that what we get in life is *solely* based on our "intentions". How about if someone is born with a genetic defect or even suffers from some chemical imbalance in her/body. As in your aticle about "a fixed income is a sucker bet", you are making the impicit argument that some "weaker" people in society will remain so because of their "mindset" and "intentions".

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by kniyogi

This is definitely leaning towards a class based system--the belief system that what we get in life is *solely* based on our "intentions". How about if someone is born with a genetic defect or even suffers from some chemical imbalance in her/body. As in your aticle about "a fixed income is a sucker bet", you are making the impicit argument that some "weaker" people in society will remain so because of their "mindset" and "intentions".

I would replace the word "intentions" with "level of consciousness." Money, sex, health, and other things like that flow to people who are at a higher level of consciousness, from those who are at a lower level of consciousness. It's how the universe and reality works. It is a fact, not an assumption, that defective people are of lower value. But yet, they are still of value because we as a society support them. That fact is amazing, given that defective people were culled 1000's of years ago, even as recently as the 1950's in Nazi germany.

Nothing in accurately describing the nature of reality is a call to support it. On the contrary, Steve would LOVE a classless society, because it would imply that we have all transcended our current state to a collectively higher state of awareness or being.

One might call this heaven.

We do not live in heaven, so sorry to disappoint you

[MickeyM]

[QUOTE=AuspiciousEight;423404

This holier than though attitude is spreading rather quickly. Worship Steve. Look down on everyone who isn't 'conscious'. Divide people into divisions based upon how much money they make. Teachers and students. Is everyone not created equal anymore?

Where did the love go?[/QUOTE]



I had bought the book, attended the workshop, went to Toastmasters and loved it. For a lot of reasons, let me share these three with you:

(1)
On the website and in the introduction to his book, Steve says something I very much value: " I'm here as your friend and guide, not your guru". In no way during the workshop Steve was seen as all knowing or connected to the second coming (of Christ that is). The workshop was not about Steve or Erin but about us all and everybody present must have been experiencing that. I am sure the DVD will show that.

(2)
During the workshop none of the more heated subjects in these forums came up. No one tried to challenge Steve on subjects as polyamory or the Nazi post. That is showing you already that the workshop was NOT about Steve but about us all.

Everybody had and has their own reasons to attend the workshop.

(3)
The friday before coming to Las Vegas I had the opportunity to hear a speech by Deepak Chopra in Amsterdam (The Netherlands) because his latest book was translated in Dutch. He gave a speech on the ideas from this book. Some 1700 people were present, and had paid 50 euro (= ca 75 USD) for a 1.5 hour long speech.
Here the atmosphere was really about him. There was no interaction between mr Chopra and the audience (is that possible with 1700 people?), and I have read some blogs where people present at this speech where awarding him with the same exposure as the Dalai Lama commands: holiness.

Steve does not do that. He only makes you think and hopes that you make conscious choices. And for love: the workshop was full of love. This never been hugged before Dutchman (let alone for my wife and youngest child), gave and received a lot of love from complete strangers.
Nobody felt holier than thou, everybody identified areas in their lives where action was needed (in my case : a lot of action).

So if you feel left out: that is not necessary, I have connected with you now. Read the book, and start doing the exercises in the book. I must do that also. JUST DO IT! Let us work together on identifying our goals and the road to those goals and achieving them. Send me a private message!

[kniyogi]

Originally Posted by Manomanman

I would replace the word "intentions" with "level of consciousness." Money, sex, health, and other things like that flow to people who are at a higher level of consciousness, from those who are at a lower level of consciousness. It's how the universe and reality works.

Nothing in accurately describing the nature of reality is a call to support it. On the contrary, Steve would LOVE a classless society, because it would imply that we have all transcended our current state to a collectively higher state of awareness or being.

One might call this heaven.

We do not live in heaven, so sorry to disappoint you

Again, I am pointing out the reality too--that "intentions" are not the *sole* criteria for someone achieving money/sex/health and all the other wonderful things you strive for

We may not live in heaven--but how about personal development which is socially and ecologically just and moves us closer to heaven ?