"Modern Day Nazis" - The first HORRIBLE post on StevePavlina.com

[Curtis2011]

Do I even have to say it?

Steve's most recent post is coming from a position of anger and emotionality; not love or from a self-development attitude. A few things that make this obvious:

1) His entire post ASSUMES that everyone reading it is an ignorant, egg-eating bigot who enjoys torturing animals. It doesn't even consider that many readers are conscious, life-friendly human beings. Some of them are probably already vegan or non-egg-eaters as well.

2) He mentions at the end something about pushing people's buttons. Steve, are you aware that the whole post of yours was trying to guilt-trip people into not eating eggs? Trying to push other people's buttons in a NEGATIVE way only shows that you allowed the negative emotionality surrounding the chicks' mistreatment to get to you. It is obvious that it is YOUR buttons that have been pushed, Steve.

Now you might think that if you eat free range eggs, then your conscience is clear. Nice try, but not even in the ballpark.

3) Are you TRYING to insult your readers with that sarcasm, Steve? It is easy enough to come from an accepting viewpoint and say something like "unfortunately, even free range eggs result in this same mistreatment." Your language "Nice try, but..." is obviously just trying to push your readers' buttons in a negative way once again.

4) The whole post was about inducing guilt and anger. None of it was focused on self-improvement, despite the cheap sparkle of "do a 30-day trial" that he poked in at the end.


Steve, maybe a 5th option at the end should have been "Realize that every animal's soul will live forever anyways, and that its current treatment is the result of its own level of consciousness. Once its own consciousness evolves, worldly circumstances will change so that it is no longer treated this way - just as human society becomes more peaceful as humans' consciousness evolves."

Along with all that, I recall a very clear statement from The Doc that says "All life evolves by serving higher life. The [Self of the] cow enjoys being slaughtered because it is serving its purpose." Remember also that our own Self will lead us to physical death if it results in spiritual growth - This is no different for animals.


Edit: All that said, you are free to become a vegan if you so choose

[Angela]

Does it upset you that Steve posted his first "HORRIBLE" post? Does it have you feeling bad in any way?

[Savage]

Glad to see it had such a strong effect on you, future vegan.

[Daffy Duck]

Ultimately we all have to decide how we feel about the food we eat. I'm sure some people out there wouldn't eat vegetables if they thought that Broccoli and Carrots were alive and had feelings. "Oh, the way we just grow those Carrots to be ripped out of the ground and eaten is horrible!"

Edit #2: And may I add, to loosely quote Rose, "vegan diets kill less plants!"

Many of us have a problem seeing a baby chicken killed but no problem killing thousands of ants. One could argue it's a hypocritical stance, and I'd have a hard time faulting the argument logically. The best idea I can come up with is the "ants don't feel pain like chickens" theory.

And so like anything, these rules are in our head, and we have to decide how we feel about them. I think the main point Steve makes is that we "should" (for lack of a better word) be listening to our conscience.

Edit #2: Ah, I see we have two posts about this blog topic.

[Fullcrum]

This is funny.

The post does not upset me. Not much has the power to upset me.

I actually thought Steve's tone and content were funny as hell, as well as the button-pushing style and whatnot. It's a departure, to be sure, but Steve does not hold himself steadfast to any one viewpoint or writing style. It's an interesting way to distance yourself from your views.

I can see simultaneously how this separation from your views and your identity can be at once very enlightening and very destructive (when used in a defensive manner).

[ArthurHung]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

"Modern Day Nazis" - The first HORRIBLE post on StevePavlina.com

Hmm, looking at just how many posts Steve has made, that's an awful lot of super amazing funny consciousness growing discipline rising good habit creating abundant manifestation unconditional love motivation pushing healthy oriented passion driven intellectually stimulating correct button pushing jumping up and down happy posts in contrast

[Savage]

I thought my first horrible post was my first post.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

I thought my first horrible post was my first post.

Which one was that? Do you ever look back and notice how much your blogging has improved?

[ArthurHung]

Oh Angela, Steve tends to exaggerate to make a point. But y'know that already

[cylon]

Steve, you still have many more horrible posts left in you. As do I.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by arthurhung

oh angela, steve tends to exaggerate to make a point. But y'know that already

what!????!!!!!!!!

(hey, I posted that in all caps and it transformed to all small letters. Is that some kind of anti-yelling program built in here?)

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Angela

Which one was that? Do you ever look back and notice how much your blogging has improved?

It's the first post in the archives, Oct 2004. Three paragraphs of drivel.

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Angela

Which one was that? Do you ever look back and notice how much your blogging has improved?

I remember in one post where Steve explained how his writing improved and created more value than his earlier posts.

Originally Posted by cylon

still have many more horrible posts left in you. As do I.

Oh yes, most definitely, I'm sure you do!

[Savage]

Originally Posted by cylon

Steve, you still have many more horrible posts left in you. As do I.

Nah... these days all my posts are amazing because I've learned how to be more arrogant.

[cylon]

That's true. Wow I just realized how amazing all my previous posts have been!

YAY!!!

[Savage]

Originally Posted by ArthurHung

Oh Angela, Steve tends to exaggerate to make a point. But y'know that already

What??? I never ever ever ever exaggerate.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

It's the first post in the archives, Oct 2004. Three paragraphs of drivel.

Oh, right. I never noticed that big list all in one place before! That's a nice place to browse (although the random article feature tends to work pretty well for me.)

[Knk]

I didn't think it was horrible. I thought it was great I guess the tone and how he worded it could have been done more sensitively. BUT the main message of it definitely resonated with me.

[jmcejuela]

The embedded video doesn't work with Opera. Here is the link of the video for those who have the same problem:

http://www.youtube.com/v/JJ--faib7to...&fs=1&

I believe you should use the following code Steve:

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[Andrew Brunelle]

I wouldn't call it a horrible post, but it was rather insulting to those egg-eaters out there. Eggs are really good for you if they are laid by healthy hens and chickens. They have healthy Omega 3 fats if gotten from pure sources. Either way, I've never really liked eggs that much, although they're not the worst tasting food in the world. There are less cruel ways to get protein and omega 3 fatty acids, but we all still need some kind of animal based omega 3s. And B12. But if you want to go vegan, go ahead. Have fun trying it out. I'm sure there are some people who can handle it better than others. Me, I like a nice cut of meat once a day. I do my best to buy ones that are from a good source, as I have an organic farm across the street from me. I wouldn't eat supermarket meat anymore. Or eggs. My great-grandfather had his own chickens and had fresh eggs every day. Those were the best-tasting eggs I ever had. You can tell even by the taste what organic and free-range, pasture fed are better in every way.

[ArthurHung]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

I wouldn't call it a horrible post, but it was rather insulting to those egg-eaters out there.

Actually it just helped me laugh at myself. But then I'm no regular egg-eater

[James81]

iS IT HE first horrible post? Or the last one?

[cacheborn]

The N-word seems to get to a lot of people. Actually, there have been many other atrocities comparable to what Nazis did, but they did not get that much attention. The reign of Idi Amin is one example.

[TravisBickle]

I thought it was an excellent post, one of my favorites from the "far out" side of Steve. Very ballsy. With that said, I enjoyed another regular breakfast of 4 free range eggs this morning after reading the article last night and watching the video. I don't care about the lives of animals.

[coollikeme]

had scrambled eggs with pepper and cheese.

[GeorgeMagister]

I completely agree with the tone in Steve's blog entry, given the intent he was trying to stir within his readers.

My only caveat with it is his use of the word "Nazi". I understand the reasoning behind the use of it, but the inner "semantitian" in me does chime in. The citizenry of Germany during the Nazi party's reign were for the most part actionlessly complicit with the regime because they were the protected population, but that hardly makes them actual "Nazis" themselves if they weren't affiliated with the party. Now does that make it any better? No, of course not. But technically they were not necessarily Nazi themselves.

My two cents does not change the implication for the audience he was trying to reach. It should only serve to contrast and highlight it.

[JoeRad]

No matter your stance on the subject matter, you got to love the fact that not only did Steve "Jump the Shark" but he did it while invoking "Godwin's Law"

[joylangtry]

I thought it was a great post. And I didn't watch the video. Imagining what's on it is bad enough.

I honestly have to wonder if I would have felt differently, had this been posted 2 years ago prior to my going vegan. I can say that some of the posts in the ensuing 15 pages (and counting) of forum discussion pushed a few buttons for me - the diversions into abortion and cannibalism, specifically. So that was good.

IMO, taking offense is always a personal choice.

[newmark]

The post is good, and it shows something that more people should know about. Factory Farming is always like this; or worse.
What was also interesting was Steve's acceptance of an objective reality. The reality of chickens being so callously handled.

[nin64]

First post
This is what I call horrible.