"Modern Day Nazis" - The first HORRIBLE post on StevePavlina.com

[RobD]

Just my two cents. Is everyone except a rare few afraid to disagree with Steve? When someone makes a negative comment about Steve most react as if a child is being bullied on the playground. I thought this place would have intelligent debates. Some of the replies to defend Steve I feel kind of go border line harassment. Are they going to get banned? Or does it have to be harassment against Steve only. And sorry to say it but I get the feeling it is more a cult-like enviroment here. But that is me and I will still visit as aways. I have always chose to comment less and learn more. I thought that is why most came here for personal development. We can talk all day about being a better person but shutting up and doing it most can't do.

Peace

[EyezWideOpen]

I didn't feel offended at all reading it. In fact I've been questioning myself if I should give up eggs or not. I'm currently weight training & eggs are great in protein. I've given up all meat for about a year & recently I have given up milk. Eggs are the last to go. I was one of those that tried to ignore what I was contributing to for the sake of the protein, but after seeing this video I just can't anymore. No more eggs for me.

It was a great synchronicity that he posted this blog right when I was in the middle of making a decision. I was about to buy more eggs this week.

Sometimes you just gotta be blunt & get straight to the point. The feelings hurt from watchin this is nothing compared to what those chicks go through. I can't support this.

Thanks Steve.

[jonbeebe]

Steve's most recent post is coming from a position of anger and emotionality; not love or from a self-development attitude.

Maybe the slaughtering of baby chicks made Steve angry and striked that emotion for him... guess that means he IS human afterall! Lol, so that's why it's called StevePavlina.com and not Self-Improvement-Tips.com! (or is it because that domain is already taken? heheh)

On a more serious note... I didn't find the post offensive at all. I'm not a vegan (though I want to be eventually), and I wasn't offended by his post... I was offended by the content in the video, that was his point anyway.

Also, if you read his article about the levels of consciousness... maybe guilt and anger is where those who *would be* vegans need to be at.

The truth is, I highly doubt the person who would have an "egg feast" over reading that post would ever become vegan anyway, even if Steve came across in a nice tone.

Steve also made it clear in a recent article he posted that this website is "his online home", and you're subject to the environment he has set up here. He was just defending something he cares about in HIS own home... he didn't knock on the door to give you the message, you knocked on his :-)

Just my two cents.

[Tam9]

Originally Posted by EyezWideOpen

.....The feelings hurt from watchin this is nothing compared to what those chicks go through. I can't support this. Thanks Steve.

While I agree that this video was horrible and difficult to watch and that amimals should be treated as humainly as possible, why are many of you 'projecting" your own feelings and emotions onto amimals (in general, not just these chicks)?

Everything has consciousness! Even the living plants you pull from the ground and cut up and eat. Why eat them any more than you would meat or animal products? The arguments surrounding why you won't eat eggs don't make any more sense.

I totally agree that how these chicks were treated is deplorable and the actions of those doing so should be repremanded, however, whether to eat or not eat eggs is a totally different issue. Instead of not eating eggs, why not take action against such practices? It would take less time than boycotting eggs, which are very good for you.

Secondly, animals have different physiological and biochemical mechanisms to those in humans. While they indeed suffer some pain, it is quite different from our own because they do not have the same central nervous systems as humans. There is a very broad range of pain thresholds and sensitivity to pain in the aminal kingdom, with ongoing studies being conducted on the subject, so to project one's own feelings and emotions onto animals is meaningless.

If you really want to change how animals are treated do something about it! Phone your state representative, get petitions going, and get the ball rolling.

[vMike]

I have to say that thread and post was actually quite helpful to me on a certain level.. I was curious to find out more about eggs and it appears they are quite useful and the daily limits of 2-3 eggs I heard about before don't seem to have any justification. So I decided to try to eat more eggs. Thanks for the enlightenment, Steve

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by Tam9

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Secondly, animals have different physiological and biochemical mechanisms to those in humans. While they indeed suffer some pain, it is quite different from our own because they do not have the same central nervous systems as humans. There is a very broad range of pain thresholds and sensitivity to pain in the aminal kingdom, with ongoing studies being conducted on the subject, so to project one's own feelings and emotions onto animals is meaningless.

How do you know?

If you really want to change how animals are treated do something about it! Phone your state representative, get petitions going, and get the ball rolling.

Yes.

[Tam9]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

How do you know?

I don't - I just made that up! Just kidding.

I hardly think it's a stretch to say that animals are made somewhat differently from humans, but here are some references:

"Nervous systems are found in many multicellular animals but differ greatly in complexity between species."

Nervous system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Not all animals have highly specialized nervous systems. Those with simple systems tend to be either small and very mobile or large and immobile."

the nervous system


"As for other animals, plants, or other entities, their ability to feel physical pain is at present a question beyond scientific reach, since no mechanism is known by which they could have such a feeling. "

Pain in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hope that helps.

[sirkinm]

Originally Posted by Tam9

While I agree that this video was horrible and difficult to watch and that amimals should be treated as humainly as possible, why are many of you 'projecting" your own feelings and emotions onto amimals (in general, not just these chicks)?

I agree. This is why it's absurd to compare the killing of humans to the killing of chicks. We can make a reasonable guess as to what the victims of the nazis were going through. To assume that chicks are going through the same suffering is crazy.

[seeker5]

Tam9,

That doesn't mean animals don't experience certain emotions like humans. Furthermore, just because scientifically you can't measure pain in animals, it doesn't mean it isn't there either.

[Tam9]

Originally Posted by seeker5

Tam9, That doesn't mean animals don't experience certain emotions like humans. Furthermore, just because scientifically you can't measure pain in animals, it doesn't mean it isn't there either.

I totally agree with you and in fact animals do experience pain. What we should not do however, is project our own experiences of it, and of our emotions on animals because to make such leaps is totally stretching it. We shouldn't even project what we feel on other humans because it's very presumptuous, not to mention subjective.

While humans and some animals have similar nervous systems, we have different cerebral cortex's and we no doubt experience events differently. Mammals, of course, are closest to those of humans.

[aggie]

re travisbickle...are people that don't care about the live of animals allowed on this forum

seriously...that is the way the other side goes...smack my lips an tell you how good the animal i just had was

everyone is going to be put off one way or another...no matter how you feel, imo you won't get upset or rant if it reeaalllyyy hasn't struck a nerve somewhere with you and made you think.

mission accomplished!....he who doth protest to much, ring a bell?

this reminds me a little bit of the heated volley i had with jamesbiz over mentioning peta and the tactics they used...includina a concentration camp picture....glad i didn't use the n word