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Steve talks a lot about light vs. dark, and how it's the same essential energy fueling both sides - for example, his shoplifting behavior (see Podcast 19, I think) Steve Pavlina Audio. You might say that game design should help us all come to the realization of how we can direct our energy for good. In other words, we learn to recognize patterns in the games we play, and that helps us learn to solve problems in a general sense (i.e. increases our intelligence). Last edited by Manomanman; 08-24-2009 at 06:18 PM. | |
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And if I were to record in English, it would be even more weird. Do you think it is easy for an observer to filter out the insecurities created by those technological and language barriers and the insecurities created by the person's disbelief in herself? | |
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I have difficulties to understand the logic of this thread. Wherever I encounter the Law of Attraction I read that it is operating all the time in all our lives. So basically, we are all manifesting our lives and there is not really something like "better manifestors". There is only people who manifest "better lives" for themselves than others, or not? So my question is: why is that? Why on Earth are people manifesting a miserable life for themselves? If it is true, that we manifest what we are congruent about in ourselves (I guess that means that all our parts like body, mind, emotions and spirit work together into the same direction, towards our goals), then how come that so many people are congruent about behaviours or habits or ideas that make them unhappy? What went wrong? What I get from the article is that there are many people who "believe" that they vibrate prosperity, but they don't. So there is one or several parts in themselves that do not agree with the thought of prosperity, these parts are congruent with another belief and this belief seems to be much stronger or, to take the terminology of the blog entry, their creative energy is more congruent with the belief that is opting for suffering than for happiness. so we don't really have to learn how to be congruent, what we need to learn is how to congruent about goals and ideas or habits that "make us happy". As long as these old beliefs are in place and receiving energy, it is a constant struggle. Isn't there a possibility to just disconnect the congruency with old beliefs and direct it into another direction? What I mean is, we all know how to be congruent, we have all the elements in place that are needed for manifesting, they are just directed into the wrong direction. Why can I not just turn a switch and use this congruency for other goals? Who is opposing there? I don't feel I need to learn how to be congruent, after all, I have a life and if this whole theory is correct, I manifested it. I just need to turn the congruency into a different direction, why is this so difficult? Not sure if I can transport my problem... |
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I totally agree with everything you say, Juki Schor. Why is it that all of us manifest less than ideal lives in some area or other? Because we have set it up this way ourselves before we were born into our bodies in order to learn something by experiencing the polar opposites of the relevant aspects, in order to find congruency by aligning all the different facets of life. It's called personal development. It is the meaning and ultimate purpose of life for human beings. |
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After the third or fourth time I really got into it and will do more in the future. I think it's fascinating seeing myself talk and actually the conversation flowed quite easily, probably just as honest or if not more than if I was writing. My body language really showed where I wasn't as confident about an idea as I thought I was. I don't really have a problem with talking in front of the camera, as long as it's to myself Last edited by ellie; 08-26-2009 at 12:58 PM. | |
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I find my own best feedback are the little (or big) twinges of fear, confusion, or hesitance...and being aware of them is critical. So I would say some people are better manifesters because they are aware of -- and take action to redirect -- their fear, confusion and hesitance, those subtle and not-so-subtle "blips" in one's vibration which are not consistent with where one is evolving to. Without paying attention and becoming very sensitive to oneself, and without the courage to put one's whole being behind a choice... that seriously compromises the manifestation process. Last edited by Angela Leeds; 08-26-2009 at 01:08 PM. | |
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He will say: "All of us" are just people in your reality. Why are choosing to manifest less than ideal lives for the people in your reality? That's a question only you can answer. | |
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When you manifest contrast, it helps you clarify your desires, and it helps you feel grateful for what you already have. Hating war and hating poverty are clearly inept strategies for ending war and poverty. They have never worked. Try appreciating war and poverty for what they can teach you, and see where that gets you. | |
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There is indeed something weird when you look at it this way. Then might I suggest that your model of reality may not be entirely accurate? Maybe Steve's model of reality is sufficient to explain this contradiction, while you find his explanation "cynical" because you have a different model of reality (you believe that there are "some people" outside of your consciousness. Maybe there is only one consciousness, and then it doesn't matter what happens to "some people" who manifest war and poverty, because those people are just bodies made of flesh and blood, while the soul is only one, the only consciousness that exists, that manifests poverty for some of the bodies, and abundance for others. | |
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That's right, Steve. "Less than ideal" means that we don't like - or even hate - what we've manifested; that tension compels us to strive for something that we individually perceive as "better". These individual challenges will at first manifest the "better" for ourselves, only later will our example rub off on our environment. Why do some people seem to be able to manifest certain things right away, Manomanman? While others have to struggle through the "less than ideal" opposite first? Because some people have been through this particular struggle in a previous life, forgotten the details but learnt their lesson and apply their skills easily now. Last edited by BlueCrane; 08-27-2009 at 10:06 AM. Reason: Spelling |
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One way of answering your question is to say that on a soul level, we don't start out here on equal footing. We're not all here to learn the same lessons. If your consciousness already resonates at the level of abundance, you don't need to re-learn that lesson here on the earth plane, so you won't need to experience that form of contrast. That doesn't mean you won't experience contrast in that area -- it just means you'll be extracting different growth lessons from it. Subjectively speaking, you need only consider reality from the framework of your own conscious development. Pay attention to the contrast you experience, and realize that these are your lessons to undertake. Don't make assumptions about the way others experience contrast. | |
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The viewpoint you describe isn't one I'd recommend. | |
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If we recursively ask questions like, "Then why do we have to learn to manifest things? Why don't they appear instantly?" The answer is that we're bounded by the dimension of time. Perhaps we can manifest an escape from time, in time. You want to try it with me, Steve? All we need to do is manifest a singularity! Last edited by Manomanman; 08-28-2009 at 01:13 AM. | |
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[QUOTE=Juki Schor;404372] Why is it that some people need contrast in order to clarify their desires while others don't seem to have this problem? It's like ice-cream, you know. Some people have to try three or four flavours before they can decide on the one they want. Others say, "I want rum & raisin!" straightaway. Quote:
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----------- On a happier note, I have a few questions of my own. I was wondering just the other day: when we align ourselves with our desires (financial abundance, for example), there are many reasons why we may become better at getting the desired results: we become more perceptive to the real opportunities, we start focusing more on what we actually want and stop wasting time on complaining, we have a more positive state of mind, we are more confident, etc. However, all this doesn't imply the existence of a metaphysical concept such as the law of attraction. It's just a more efficient way of thinking. The LoA, if I understand correctly, implies the existence of unexplained synchronicities, of people coming into your life and helping you, etc. How is anyone able to estimate the effect of the law of attraction, give the many other reasons why someone can manifest what he wants through his direct actions, being helped by his positive change of attitude? Last edited by bluedragon; 08-30-2009 at 10:21 AM. | |
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And on top of that, the experience that we have of other people are nothing more than a subjective experience within our own reality. This makes it even more difficult to try and "objectively" determine what another person's experience of reality is. If we were to "fuse" all of these collective beliefs into a coherent singularity, we would have a very accurate model of reality, and our ability to collectively manifest things would be greatly enhanced. This is probably why people in successful marriages tend to live longer and have higher SES - because they synchronize their views of reality and therefore manifest easier. | |
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Hello Steve, thanks for answering anyway. You expect that I will be incapable to accept what you have to say. My comment on this is a sentence from your blog “The meaning of life”: “If everyone is just accepting all of this blindly and no one is even questioning it, why should I believe it?” I still would like to know if this is the essence of your “model of reality” as bluedragon wrote: ...Then might I suggest that your model of reality may not be entirely accurate? Maybe Steve's model of reality is sufficient to explain this contradiction, while you find his explanation "cynical" because you have a different model of reality (you believe that there are "some people" outside of your consciousness). Maybe there is only one consciousness, and then it doesn't matter what happens to "some people" who manifest war and poverty, because those people are just bodies made of flesh and blood, while the soul is only one, the only consciousness that exists, that manifests poverty for some of the bodies, and abundance for others. If I would say about a piece of art that it is “just” a piece of canvas covered with oil spots or about a forest that it is just a collection of trees made of wood, I would be called ignorant, or worse. But when somebody says this about a living human body, it is an “accurate model of reality”???? You recommended to me that “subjectively speaking, you need only consider reality from the framework of your own conscious development. Pay attention to the contrast you experience, and realize that these are your lessons to undertake.” This is exactly what I am doing here and the model of reality described above is one part of the contrast I experienced. When you say that “those people are just bodies made of flesh and blood”, you are talking about me, because I am one of those “mediocre, worthless” people. I have had people treating my body as a worthless piece of flesh and blood with presumably no consciousness, no feelings, no own desires or needs, and they didn't care about what happened to me. It has taken me years to recover from this “contrast” and that is why I can say that there is no lesson to be learnt from war, poverty and suffering that I couldn't have done without or couldn't have learnt in a different way. It is just painful and frightening. And don't tell me I manifested that myself as a child. This is the most cruel belief that has ever been put into this world, that there is evil in little children that needs to be “destroyed”. Ridiculous. In a post in this context, Mannoman wrote this about what you would say (as you haven't I can't tell if you really would): Steve is going to rip into you if he reads this. He will say: "All of us" are just people in your reality. Why are you choosing to manifest less than ideal lives for the people in your reality? That's a question only you can answer. So now I am asking you: If it is true that our beliefs create reality for other people, why are you then putting out this dinosaur model of reality above? If you believe that people need war to learn how to appreciate peace and poverty to learn how to appreciate abundance, that is how it is going to be, or not? I thought you have dropped the catholic church, but it seems you are at the forefront of establishing their middle age model again. If LOA is true, then our inside influences the outside. So people create wars when there is war inside, and there is war inside when they have come into contact with a “consciousness” that considers their body to be worthless and that their lives don't matter. They had a bad experience from this and bad experiences tend to create negative beliefs. And as beliefs tend to manifest when the power of the mind grows over time, they manifest their beliefs at some point in life, often again towards their children. There is nothing to learn, just suffering, it has been going on for centuries. Instead of going to the core of the problem, all you can say is “Try appreciating war and poverty for what they can teach you, and see where that gets you”. I call this cynic. I was told that I believe that there are people outside of my consciousness. As you suggest that I am incapable of grasping the vastness of your theory I consider this a possibility, after all, my consciousness is limited. All I am saying is that my experienced reality matches exactly the belief system that has been put out here and it seems you are not conscious about the consequences of these beliefs to “those people”. I have no clue why the idea that there is only one consciousness justifies the conclusion that “it doesn't matter what happens to some people”? Would it be different if there was a second consciousness? Then create one. There is definitely a consciousness out there that doesn't care about “what happens to some people”, you can see it in action every day. As you seem to be able to change anything and everything in this world, why don't you just evolve this “indifferent skyscraper consciousness” into something better? And why is it ok for the one-and-only-soul to manifest poverty for some and abundance for others? What about getting a second soul then who has some more “evolved” ideas about bodies and people on stock? I am not trying to “shoe-horn” my subjective view on life through an objective lens (whatever that means). My subjective “self” has been put into this very “model of reality” that is considered to be objective and accurate, the results were painful and frightening and my subjective opinion about this model after a decent reality check is that it sucks. I am asking for care in choosing thoughts and respect for life and body of other people. You wrote: “ [I ]see the main purpose of my life as serving the process of evolution. “ I just wanted to remind you that this does exclude the right to decide on the worth or unworth of other people's bodies or lives. I have great respect for a lot of your thoughts, but this is completely unacceptable for me and I think it should be possible to write about this in a discussion forum without being ridiculed. I apologize for the snappy tone, but as I am not enlightened (like the rest of you here?), I tend to still get angry at times. |
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I taped myself and I wasn't surprised. I knew I was vibrating waayyy low. However I taped myself again (this time I was more open & honest) and it was very different. I think I might do this everyday. It's a good way to see where you're at. Thanks Steve |
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Yes probably, and I don't understand the concept because you don't explain it in a way that people with "lower consciousness" like myself can understand it. This is also what they tell children, who ask why things have to be in a way that hurts them. It is always, that they are too stupid and small to understand the concept. Nothing new on the planet. Hiding behind arrogance? So explain it to me.
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Okay. Let's look at your statement again: Quote:
Please explain where you see anyone saying that the LOA says that "there is evil in little children that needs to be destroyed". Does Abraham Hicks say this? Does Deepak Chopra say this? Does Joe Vitale say this? Does Wayne Dyer say this? Does Steve Pavlina say this? Nope. Only you said it. What Steve Pavlina said - and let's quote his exact words - is: Quote:
No one, except one person, said that "little children have evil in them that needs to be destroyed". That one person was you. You said it. And then you said that your own statement was "ridiculous". I kinda agree with you, actually. Last edited by Acting Like Godot; 09-10-2009 at 01:20 PM. | ||
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mindfulness/zazen. I pay attention and am very aware/sensitive to the "vibrations" or energy or stuff in my head/body. For me it is about congruency and increasing the congruency of my thoughts and actions. I do this through meditation and listening to "blocks" of what I am manifesting. I then work on the blocks. It becomes a very fine tunning process now days. Odd, I also pick up subtle incongruencies in other people and that has been helpful to better discern who I spend time with. Thanks Angela for the reminder! p.s.--COURAGE is huge. If you have not read Steve's book its a good one. | |
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Great Point Steve. The LOA is all about what you are truely feeling. You can say all day long that I have abundance, but what about how you feel. One way to see how you truely feel is, talk about your financial situation and pay close attention to what you are feeling while talking about it. Are you feeling anxienty? or any negative feeling. Maybe getting hard to breath? Gratitude is the best way to change your negative feelings. It takes only food, water, and some sort of shelter to keep you alive. Now look at what you have more than those 3 things. You probably have food and lots of it. You have water in any quantity. Anything you might have, car, house, apartment, children, lamps, sofa, dishwasher, etc. All this stuff is "extra". Now instead of looking at what you don't have. Try looking at all that you do have. Once you do this, you are set. Last edited by Positive Thinking Always; 09-25-2009 at 05:55 AM. Reason: grammar error |
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I never thought of it in this way, but it is so true! Thanks for the great analogy... Quote:
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About the people complaining that the world doesnt try to help even a little bit! ;-).Most people dont know or forget (I do sometimes too BTW, Ahhhh) that we are broadcasting a vibration non stop. We also talk,but unless the talk is aligned with the vibration we are sending out the wrong signals and get irritated with the feedback,which only makes things worse.The more we beet up on our selves,the more reasons to do that we get. I love having the knowledge that allows me to ask the universe for what I want the right way, even when I slip into my old shoes sometimes I m so comforted that I can get back on track with being aware vibrational being and that is soooo amazing! I love living and creating now,even when i get it wrong sometimes. Its a part of remembering who I really am-Beyond amazing. All these years of studding and reading, attending seminars ....to fix my self and better my self to only find out, that there is NOTHING wrong with me or any of us. All we need to do is truly love and appreciate ourselves and maintain this vibration and all will be well. It only took me 5 years to get to this point. That was time well spent. I was talking to a friend of mine about this "secret " to having the life and things you want and He asked me: "What exactly do you mean when you say to love our selves completely?" I realized in that moment that most people are so far from that frequency of vibration that they completely forgot how it feels to be really happy and loving towards them selves. I said: Alex, do you realize that you forgot how amazing you are? I could see it in this eyes and his face ,he realized he did and for a moment he was so sad about it. We need to not forget! | |
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